Major do you not understand that this sin nature in 5:12 is talking about the sin nature that was loosed because of the fall and sin released into this world. The blood of Christ has set us free from this sin nature. This means it has not hold on us UNLESS WE ALLOW IT TO.No Jim I did not say that. YOU just said that. What I did was post what Paul said through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
What Bible verses can you post to back up your comment???
I said in comment #31........
Romans 5:12............ “Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned."
Do you not understand then that in our fallen humanity we cannot act apart from our nature. The sin nature WILL BE ERADICATED in due time when we received "glorified bodies" just like Jesus Christ. Because of our fallen humanity we cannot act apart from our nature.
Sin is not measured by the individual being half a sinner or a full sinner. We are ALL sinners by nature and NO we can not help that.
What I have been saying is that it is a Bible fact that even a person who has once been freed from the controlling power of sin by Jesus' blood, can become a captive to sin again.
Consider the words of the Apostle Peter to Simon, who previously came to the point of believing, which merited Christian baptism in Acts 8:13............
" Repent of this wickedness and pray to the Lord. Perhaps he will forgive you for having such a thought in your heart. For I see that you are full of bitterness and captive to sin".
Peter the Apostle also wrote of this same possibility reoccurring to those who had been truly saved. In 1 Peter 1:23 his audience was already born again and redeemed by Jesus precious blood in 1:18, but such would not, in itself, prevent them from becoming captive to sin again, as occurred to Simon in Acts 8:13, 23.
Consequently, there has to be free will and human responsibility involved in staying free. Instead of conforming to the evil desires we had when unsaved, Christians are commanded to be holy in all you do: As obedient children, do not conform to the evil desires you had when you lived in ignorance. But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do; for it is written: "Be holy, because I am holy" and we see that recorded in 1 Pet. 1:14-16.
So for those who think they will always simply be sin natured - well yea you more then likely will.
As for your take on (( but such would not, in itself, prevent them from becoming captive to sin again, )) Think Brother - Just being redeemed wont get the job done. We MUST WORK 24/7/365 in renwing the way we think and act and live in order for this redemption to stay effective.
You seem to feel that we always will have to worry about this sin nature. The truth is - actually no you dont.
Major you posted this - (( Consider the words of the Apostle Peter to Simon, who previously came to the point of believing, which merited Christian baptism in Acts 8:13............
" Repent of this wickedness and pray to the Lord. Perhaps he will forgive you for having such a thought in your heart. For I see that you are full of bitterness and captive to sin". ))
Look at the discriptiuon of the heart and can be applied to people - that is being talked about - full of bitterness - and captive to sin. This says their thinking was wrong and it says they had bitter attitudes or not walking in Love and Peace. Their hearts were wrong. All this is NOT some one who is practicing
Romans 12:2 ....
And be not conformed to this world; but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind that ye may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God
(( Get His word in you each and every day and speak His word each and every day ))
2 Corinthians 10:4-5
4... For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to pulling down strong holds
5... Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ.
(( Begin to practice the words you speak and thoughts you think for our thoughts and words to control how we act or react and believe. Our own words do more do influence our thinking then most of everything else. ))
This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh
(( The more you do the first two the more you will begin to walk in the Spirit and you will be amazed to say the least. ))
All done through the Grace of God
who maketh all grace abound to me. ( 2 Corinthians 9:8 )
Those who put into practice 24/7/365 the above will not be under the control of the olod sin nature. Those that do not will have this sin nature to fight with.
Jesus left you peace and not the type the world enjoys. Do you walk in it at all times ? You could if you learn to walk in His ways totally - but far to many are not disciplined enough to do so.
People need to take the words Jesus spoke totally as truth and then find out how to make them activated in their lives other wise the never truly rise above the fruits of their ol nature.