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“Am I only a God nearby, declares the Lord, “and not a God far away? Who can hide in secret places so that I cannot see them?” declares the Lord. “Do not I fill heaven and earth?” declares the Lord.
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God is saying that there is no place anyone can go to hide from him, because he is not only a local god but the God of all the earth.

This is one of the drawbacks of verse markings. It chops up sections and paragraphs and obscures the meaning.
 
Relentless said:
Include the next verse:

God is saying that there is no place anyone can go to hide from him, because he is not only a local god but the God of all the earth.

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There is no doubt that no one can hide from the eyes with whom we have to do since he sees all things, yet God is also far, and near to us, or else, there would have been no reason for scripture to tell us to come boldly to the throne of grace.

Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Eph 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Eph 2:17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
 
CCW95A said:
The word "not" is being used in the same sense as if I would say to my son, "Mike, am I not your father" The answer would be yes.
Jesus referred to some of his followers saying, "they draw near me with their mouth, but their heart is far from me.
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But the word isn't in the scriptures and by adding "not" the translation is creating a contradictions. Sorry, I have to disagree.
 
CCW95A said:
There is no doubt that no one can hide from the eyes with whom we have to do since he sees all things, yet God is also far, and near to us, or else, there would have been no reason for scripture to tell us to come boldly to the throne of grace.

Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Eph 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Eph 2:17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
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This refers to spiritual "distance", not spacial distance. Coming boldly to the throne of grace is a spiritual matter.
 
Relentless said:
This refers to spiritual "distance", not spacial distance. Coming boldly to the throne of grace is a spiritual matter.
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Exactly, when talking about God it has to do with the spiritual realm as that is where thing are eternal. The things seen is only temporary.
 
Abdicate said:
But the word isn't in the scriptures and by adding "not" the translation is creating a contradictions. Sorry, I have to disagree.
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That is OK as their are others scriptures that prove it is true. How can God be near one person, while he is far from another?
 
Abdicate said:
It's a relationship comment, not a distance comment.
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When Jesus returns to earth, is he not coming from one place to another. Is there not a "distance" involved" going from one place to another? Mt Zion the Heavenly city is it not in a place that requires going someplace that has distance? The presence of God with us is not the same thing as we being in his presence. If God's presence being with us was the same thing as us being in his presence then there was no purpose for the scriptures telling us to come to his throne which requires going somewhere.
 
CCW95A said:
When Jesus returns to earth, is he not coming from one place to another. Is there not a "distance" involved" going from one place to another? Mt Zion the Heavenly city is it not in a place that requires going someplace that has distance? The presence of God with us is not the same thing as we being in his presence. If God's presence being with us was the same thing as us being in his presence then there was no purpose for the scriptures telling us to come to his throne which requires going somewhere.
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I'm not sure why you want to push this issue when there isn't one. We go to Him, but He is everywhere.

Colossians 1:15-17 (ESV2011)
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
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He's the glue for everything, so He's everywhere and nothing is hidden from Him. Spiritual vs. Physical... apples vs. oranges... relationship vs. distance.
 
Abdicate said:
I'm not sure why you want to push this issue when there isn't one. We go to Him, but He is everywhere.

Colossians 1:15-17 (ESV2011)
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
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He's the glue for everything, so He's everywhere and nothing is hidden from Him. Spiritual vs. Physical... apples vs. oranges... relationship vs. distance.
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Do you think your relationship with God will change any when you are standing right in front of him, compared to how you know him now?
Did the Apostle John in the Book of revelations experience anything different when he was standing in the presence of the risen Lord, then how he knew the Lord before?
 
CCW95A said:
Do you think your relationship with God will change any when you are standing right in front of him, compared to how you know him now?
Did the Apostle John in the Book of revelations experience anything different when he was standing in the presence of the risen Lord, then how he knew the Lord before?
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Exactly! Relationship. We love Him because He first loved us. We know in part now, but in front of Him WONDROUS glory! :D
 
Just another person to check out regarding science and the Brain, in relation to the Bible. Dr. Caroline Leaf.
Blessings!
 
Unbelief is widespread and part of being a natural person. Even hundreds of years ago before Darwinian nonsense many people chose not to believe the truth.
Look at the Children of Israel and the Old Testament. Turning away from God who is truth is not a new phenomenon, it is human history aided and abetted by Satan and friends.
The people of the first creation before Adam, knew of God as their creator, but look how over 40 thousand years this knowledge has been corrupted to creation myths and legends recorded by anthropologists.
Yes, people readily use false science to excuse themselves from holy living and accountability to God - but if evolution wasn't handy it would be something else.
Most people "believe" or subscribe to life on other planets. Look at the atheistic masterpiece by Stanley Kubrik and Arthur C. Clarke: '2001 A Space Odyssey.' Here is the most sophisticated attempt to sell another creation myth. Then there's 'Star Trek' and the wisdom of Mr. Spock.
Simply people do not want to believe, because it will spoil their fun, curtail their freedom. It is no coincidence that internet pornography is one of the most profitable industries, only third to drugs and oil. That says a lot about this world.

Jesus knew all of this and commanded that we go out and preach the gospel of salvation. It is still for everybody on this planet (and Vulcan) their real and only hope to survive the dreadful tribulation of nuclear war that is coming to a city near all of us.
Science will not save your soul, only the Gospel can do that.
 
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A couple of quotes:

It is ironic that in their thirst to oppose evolution and support the Bible, creationists embrace the biology of Aristotle, who was not a theist, and ignore the views of Rene Descartes, Francis Bacon and Robert Boyle, who were.
-- Richard P Aulie


Of all the “holy books”, the Bible is the only book that correctly describes the order of creation as revealed through science.
-- Richard Deem​
 
I think the distinction is..God made the entire universe and everything in it, but He himself is not in it,He sees and knows everything, yet the creator is NOT the creation.

Only Jesus coming in flesh was God manifesting himself as a flesh and blood. Gods only begotten son like his Dad. And so those born again, know his presence because he gives us his spirit. Those that dont have the spirit of the living God in them do not have his presence. Thus Jesus is close cos he is like us in every way, showing us to the Father, but the Father himself is higher than us all.

Otherwise, if there is confusion in scripture you end up with christian new age pantheists who insist that they are gods.

Therefore, the article first quoted above is not wrong, we cannot comprehend all of creation, it is true. It is complex. But if we do want to know anything, we can always ask Him! Do we. NEED to know everything? I dont think so. God has perfect right to keep things mysterious and constantly surprising us.
So pray for scentists to have an audience with God through Jesus, and thank the creator for creation.
 
Lanolin said:
Do we. NEED to know everything? I dont think so. God has perfect right to keep things mysterious and constantly surprising us.
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1Corinthians 2:9
But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
Here is a strong hint that when we are no longer confined to the planetary world and become like angels then there are even more surprises in store for us.
The Earth at the time of its creation must have been extremely wondrously beautiful to behold (even today there are patches of great natural beauty remaining).
The heavenly realm must be truly awesome. A world of light, and crystal, and beauty that is at the moment beyond our comprehension.
Angelic beings, and strange beasts - Ezekiel, Isaiah and Revelation give glimpses - just to tease us enough to inquire and desire:
Revelation of Jesus Christ 4:2-4
And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.
And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.
Revelation of Jesus Christ 4: 5-11
And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God. And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind. And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle. And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come. And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever, The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying, Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
 
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