The Beast's Economic System

It is the beast that is gonna put all people that don't worship him through a lot of tribulation, so...I suppose it's relevant.
The beast already doing that now. But we will come forth like gold in the refiners fire.
 
I think ppl who lived through the first and second world wars might tell you it was a lot of tribulation. I don't want to contemplate the third one, but if christians got through those, with faith intact, we can get through anything.
 
dan in the lion's den said:
Maybe I should've titled it the Beastly economic system or something like that. My bad and my apologies if you were looking forward for a post/pre-trib debate. It was not my intent nor my purpose to have that debate here. Please feel free to start another thread for that purpose. God's blessings.
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Never am I looking for a debate about these matters. I am fully aware of the topic and where you wanted to go, but you need to be aware that it includes the surrounding events also.
 
There are basic necessities, without which, our human, physical bodies cannot survive - both believer and unbeliever. Food, shelter, water, clothing (forget medical needs) will force many many to fall. 6 million Jews did not survive WW2. We are told, in scripture, that end times, will be like no other time before or after. Have all the heroical fantasies you like about this period (and some will be played out) but we are also told that the time was made short because, otherwise, no flesh would survive. You either believe it or you don't - what scripture says. The world will be literally ruled, out in the open, by Satan. The way will be very very very to the millionth power difficult to navigate with any faith and most of those will simply be cannon fodder. Economy will be the ultimate check mate and fantasy versus reality will become clear.
We get thru nothing without God. "We" aren't doing the action - God is.
 
the interesting thing about the beast is that he will operate by signs and lying wonders, think it says. I may have asked this question before, but what does everyone think the signs and lying wonders are?
My guess is some sort of thing on TV. People are fooled by a lot of things on TV.
 
Lanolin said:
the interesting thing about the beast is that he will operate by signs and lying wonders, think it says. I may have asked this question before, but what does everyone think the signs and lying wonders are?
My guess is some sort of thing on TV. People are fooled by a lot of things on TV.
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Revelation 13:13-15
13 He did astounding miracles, even making fire flash down to earth from the sky while everyone was watching. 14 And with all the miracles he was allowed to perform on behalf of the first beast, he deceived all the people who belong to this world. He ordered the people to make a great statue of the first beast, who was fatally wounded and then came back to life. 15 He was then permitted to give life to this statue so that it could speak. Then the statue of the beast commanded that anyone refusing to worship it must die.
 
Mat_24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Mat_24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect

In my paradigm, the Church is not present for the 7 year Tribulation. That, I think, covers the "insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." We live in a world, already, that photshops and illusions truth. Islam scripture indicates that Christ will return with the 12th Iman, and that fake Christ will tell the world that Christianity was all wrong. And the Iman is superior above that fake Christ. Other speculations, which I find very credible are that this will be combined with actual, flesh and blood "aliens" (read demonic) will offer "free" energy and medical advances to corrupt God's image in humanity.

Getting back to economics, it is key here to the satanic plan. It needs to fail present economies and what are these economies based on? Ever hear petro dollar? Money is backed by nothing but paper, illusion. Economies are controlled by international bankers. The stats presently, are that over 90% of monies/assets are controlled by less than 1% of the world's population. You don't have to be brilliant to see where this is going. Anyone who opposes plans now in place will ruthlessly be taken down. Israel will have to flee after the 3 and a half year peace is broken. I don't think you will be able to pay higher taxes - either you convert or die. The demonic will come with holograms of their version of history. And it will all be very believable.
 
I've looked somewhat into the islamic version of the end times but not much as it seemed like a photographic negative of what christians see coming. The Jewish version seems very close to what christians believe. I find it so very strange that muslims try and say we (christians) should side with them against the Jews and claim christianity and islam have more in common than christianity and judaism. Some christians seem so ready to side with muslims as anti-semitism on the rise everywhere, especially in europe.
 
Islam proclaims Christ a prophet of Allah...and then proceed to deny everything He said. Go figure. They deny the divinity of Christ and worship/venerate Mohammad. Who had 11 to 22 wives (one of whom he took at age 6) and who murdered, by his own hand, literally hundreds. He is the opposite of Christ. Christianity is rooted in the Judaic religion. The Jews were God's First chosen people and in the Trib, they will be His last. In the OT, there were prophecies of BOTH Christ's 1st and 2nd Coming. The Jews wanted the 2nd Coming and, as a result, missed the Messiah when He came. Not all of them...it's been estimated that 30% of Jews converted, at the time. I keep thinking there is a remarkable symmetry with this and not being able to discern the "catching away" with the 2nd Coming. I also think of the Prodigal Son parable...people forget there were two sons...one stayed with God (the younger?) and one went off and lived wrongly. Personally, I can't conceive of a true Christian as being anti-semitic. I see in scripture that, whether you come late or early, if you believe in the divinity of Christ, that He died on the cross for our sins, was resurrected and is my King...then, whatever happens, God will protect us and we will have eternal life. Simple planks of faith.
 
Really?
I did read somewhere something about 'chrislam' and I thought, they must be joking. Allah is not the God of the Bible.
 
Well, Jewish ppl still waiting for their messiah. They refuse to believe it was Jesus and he already established the Kingdom of heaven. They still looking for an earthly one.
 
I dont know why that is so considering Jesus was brought up Jewish, born into Jewish family, and was semitic! And he observed all the commandments perfectly. Though the pharisees didnt think so.
 
Well I can think of nothing more deceptive than tv, it looks like real life, but it isn't.
Making images, worshipping image...tv is nothing if not image making, and bringing them to life, giving the illusion of something real when its' just dots on a screen...many living rooms have altars to the TV. Its like what people gather round and bend the knee to these days. Can't take their eyes off the screen. You try have a conversation with someone watching tv. You can't. Some people can't even seem to turn theirs off and need it all the time.

I don't know about the fire coming down from heaven...but..nowadays with airplanes, fireworks displays etc suppose it is not inconceivable. Satellite tv?
 
Its easy for ppl to be hypnotised by tv. People be watching, you wave your hands in front of their faces...they don't blink. They just sit there, passively watching. It could show porn and they don't bother to turn it off. It's conditioning.
 
dan in the lion's den said:
I once saw a verse that refered to something being alive and yet not and yet it is. Television? Media? Thoughts on this?
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You mean this?

Revelation 17:10 (KJV)
And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, [and] the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.​
 
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