The Bible Speaks Of Only One Way To Eternal Salvation

A few additional thoughts...

a) If one is actually, genuinely, born from above (thus now God's child) not a matter of mere profession or taking a bath, one cannot (never will) cease from being His child (remember now, children can be disobedient, even rebellious, and can walk away, forsaking their family)

b) When one having heard the gospel of their salvation trust in Him and that which He has provided, they are sealed with the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption (the parousia...google it if unfamiliar) and NO ONE not even self, can break that seal

c) whoever repents and is baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus Christ for the remission of sins is gifted with the Holy Spirit

...this is eternal life...eternal by definition means "without end"...therefore if one is genuinely His offspring (being a new creation, part of the new order of being after the last Adam) it cannot be lost, it cannot cease, and it cannot end...or else it was not "eternal" and the promise of God was in error, or a lie (God forbid, let God be true and every man a liar)
 
A few additional thoughts...

a) If one is actually, genuinely, born from above (thus now God's child) not a matter of mere profession or taking a bath, one cannot (never will) cease from being His child (remember now, children can be disobedient, even rebellious, and can walk away, forsaking their family)

b) When one having heard the gospel of their salvation trust in Him and that which He has provided, they are sealed with the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption (the parousia...google it if unfamiliar) and NO ONE not even self, can break that seal

c) whoever repents and is baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus Christ for the remission of sins is gifted with the Holy Spirit

...this is eternal life...eternal by definition means "without end"...therefore if one is genuinely His offspring (being a new creation, part of the new order of being after the last Adam) it cannot be lost, it cannot cease, and it cannot end...or else it was not "eternal" and the promise of God was in error, or a lie (God forbid, let God be true and every man a liar)

Congratulations Paul!

By George I think you have gotten it and I agree now with your comments except one. (c).

I do not think that water baptism has anything to do with salvation. It is an outward event of inward happening.
We are saved from the inside out not the outside in.

I am sure that you just like me have been at the bedside of an elderly person who repented and accepted Christ. That person being too old or too frail or sick was physically unable to be baptized was accepted by "statement of faith".
 
Congratulations Paul!

By George I think you have gotten it and I agree now with your comments except one. (c).

I do not think that water baptism has anything to do with salvation. It is an outward event of inward happening.
We are saved from the inside out not the outside in.

I am sure that you just like me have been at the bedside of an elderly person who repented and accepted Christ. That person being too old or too frail or sick was physically unable to be baptized was accepted by "statement of faith".

Hello Major! What if a person has accepted Christ as his Lord and Saviour, then lives for many years.. But he never took the initiative of water baptism.. So this is not a case where the person was unable to get baptised. He "deliberately" did not do it.. How would God honor that action? What is your opinion on that? :)

Though Lord directly commands this, I personally don't think it is an entry criteria.. I believe that only Holy Spirit empowers a person to be a witness to others.. The same way, the Holy Spirit will convict a genuine believer to show the inward conversion with the outward action of baptism.. Still, the question pops up to me.. Can someone really resist that and never get baptized?
 
Hello Major! What if a person has accepted Christ as his Lord and Saviour, then lives for many years.. But he never took the initiative of water baptism.. So this is not a case where the person was unable to get baptised. He "deliberately" did not do it.. How would God honor that action? What is your opinion on that? :)

Though Lord directly commands this, I personally don't think it is an entry criteria.. I believe that only Holy Spirit empowers a person to be a witness to others.. The same way, the Holy Spirit will convict a genuine believer to show the inward conversion with the outward action of baptism.. Still, the question pops up to me.. Can someone really resist that and never get baptized?

I know this was addressed to Major, but I must weigh in. This is a good question and many have asked it so please do not be insulted.

For me, in light of the whole council of God, it would be difficult to believe such a rebellious one (a child of ogre' or disobedience) was actually genuinely ever regenerated. Why would one dismiss such a wonderful and honorable commitment? The passing of things or persons through the waters has been God's way of officiating their consecration unto Him since the Torah (baptism is not a new thing it is just given its deeper meaning and fulfillment in Christ). The washing officiates consecration from an old order or place in God's heart to a new order or place...it is part of the design He sovereignly determined to make things (and people) Holy...

In His love

Brother Paul
 

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When Jesus died on the cross that was the end of the first covenant, which consisted of the blood of animals and the keeping of God’s commandments. And his death also brought in the second covenant, which consist of the blood of Jesus and the keeping of God’s commandments.

Indeed but not dependent on what was written on stone. The keeping of the ordinances written on stone does not earn one salvation...Christ fulfilled the law and we are IN HIM. We are no longer under the law. The law has been written on our hearts and the ordinance no longer condemns us...we who are IN HIM are no longer subject to the curse of the law. Now that is not saying one can intentionally disobey the law, it is saying the law was given to bring us to Christ...have you been brought to Christ? If yes than the law has performed its function now walk in the law of the Spirit....Christ in you is the hope of glory not commandment keeping but if Christ truly be in you you can no longer practice sin as a lifestyle (its just not your nature) where before you had no choice (your lifestyle was sin).

In His love

Brother Paul


Lets take a closer look at what Jesus said in Matthew...Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven
. (Matthew 5:17-19)

Now, if the Jesus said think not that I came to destroy the law, lets reason together, what do destroy mean; to take away, etc, right. So that simply means that the law is still on the table and the prophets

Jesus couldn't destroy the prophet because he had to fulfilled all of what the prophets wrote about jesus and what he had to do.

First of all, all is not fulfilled, lets look at this again
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
For example: is heaven and earth still here?
Lets look at the heaven and earth pass, lets go to Revelation 6 chapter verse 12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
Brother and Sisters this has not happen yet

Lets go into: Revelation 21 chapter

21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

So much more has to happen, but just to use an example so you can understand that all is not fulfilled
 

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2 Corinthians 3 - 3 Forasmuch as you are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone (like the 10 Commandments), but in fleshy tables of the heart (by the indwelling Spirit of God). 4 And such is the trust have we through Christ toward God: 5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think anything of ourselves (like as if we keep the commandments and others do not); but our sufficiency is of God (because it is not by what we do or have done, but of Christ); 6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the New Testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter kills (brings death), but the spirit gives life (His life in us the expectation of glory).


7 But if the ministration of death (the sin consciousness brought on by the Law), written and engraved in stones (that is the 10 Commandments), was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not steadfastly behold the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance; which glory eventually faded (because by the commandments they were all guilty): 8 How shall the ministration of the Spirit not be even more glorious (who while we were yet sinners Christ dies for the ungodly…by love and grace)?


9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory (that righteousness which is by faith and not works).


10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excels (for it never ends). 11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more is that which remains glorious.


In the Exodus Pentecost (Shavuot), 50 days after the deliverance of Israel, the Lord gave the letter of the Law engraved in stone. It was at Mount Sinai in Arabia (called also Horeb), the mount of God in the land of Jethro of Midian…as Moses came down declaring the Commandments the people fled and 3,000 eternally died


(You shall, you shall, you shall not, you shall not…it is all about “Thou” and the eye turns onto self)


In the Acts Pentecost, 50 days after deliverance of whosoever will that would come, the Lord gave the Spirit, and wrote all we need in our hearts. It was on Mt. Zion, in Jerusalem the city made Holy by God. Jesus went UP giving the Spirit and 3,000 were eternally saved.


(And they went about preaching the wonderful works of God…they glorified Christ, led them to salvation…it’s all about God and the eye turns to Christ…what He said and what He did and His gracious offer of love – 2:37-39)


Through the Law comes the knowledge of sin…though grace the love of God to-usward…the ministry of death was engraved on stone and the ministry of righteousness engraved on our hearts by the knowledge of salvation.


Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.


7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.


8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.


9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.


Alive apart from the law…dead by the law! Alive through Christ’s sufficient and pleasing sacrifice.


Colossians 213 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all your trespasses;


14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us (the Law), which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.


So He not only nailed our sins to the cross but also the ordinances against us so they no longer have any effect…by grace we are SAVED.

In His love

Brother Paul




You are miss understanding what is saying, you are also mixing verses together that do not connect. The law Paul was talking about that was taking away was the animal sacrificial law, not the Commandments (laws). Why didn't you go to Hebrews
Paul explained this in; (Heb.10:1, 9-10,18,26-27) (v.1) For the law (what law, the law of animal sacrifice?) having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. (v.9) Then said he, (Jesus) Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first that he may establish the second. (v.10) By which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. When Jesus died on the cross that was the end of the first covenant, which consisted of the blood of animals and the keeping of God’s commandments. And his death also brought in the second covenant, which consist of the blood of Jesus and the keeping of God’s commandments. (v.18) Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. In other words, no more animals are going to die for your sins. (v.26) For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins.
Now do we understand what’s being said here? If you sin willfully after you have knowledge of what the truth is, no more animals are going to die for you. (v.27) But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Now if you are being deceived into believing that once you are under God’s grace you no longer have to keep his commandments, all you have to look forward to is the day of judgement and the lake of fire (fiery indignation).
 

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Following that line of thought, if I see a woman walk by and my mind thinks of lust toward, that then is sin because I have lusted after a woman.

I did not commit the act but according to Jesus, He tells us that we only have to think it and we have done it.

That being the case I would submit that every red blooded man in the world has broken God's Law and we all stand guilty and have in fact lost our salvation..........if we were ever born again to start with. There is the key.

My goodness brother........THINK about what you are saying and the young Christians who are reading your words.

Yes, sin is breaking the law but it is just as true that the verse you used means "KNOWN HABITUAL SIN".

Are we saved by the Law??? What book and verse would that be???
Are we saved by keeping the commandments??? What book??

The Law was never given to save sinners but was instead given so that we might see the exceeding sinfulness of sin itself.

Gal, 3:24
"Wherefore the law was our school master to bring us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a school master".

We are not saved by keeping the law, but God's law reminds us that we have obligations and God's grace so fills the heart of the true believer that he wants and tries to meet those obligations.

Consider 1 John 3:6
"Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not; whosoever sinneth hath not seen him neither known him".

Again we see that one must be saved ONCE before he can lose something he does not in fact have to begin with.

Romans 6 tells us that to ABIDE in Christ is to be dead to sin. We can not be both can we???????

IMHO the one who habitually lives in sin has never been transformed by Christ's life changing power and purity. But t that is just me.


Lets go into (Gal. 3:1, 13, 16-17, 19, 24) (v.1) O FOOLISH Ga-la’-tians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? (v.13) Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, CURSED IS EVERYONE THAT HANGETH ON A TREE: What law is this talking about? Let the bible speak for itself. (v.16) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of One, AND TO THY SEED, which is Christ. (v.17) And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. Now pay attention, the law that is being spoken of here came four hundred and thirty years after this covenant. But God’s holy commandments have been around forever even before man was created. Remember that Satan was kicked out of heaven because iniquity (sin) was found in him. And what is sin? The transgression of the law (commandments). (v.19) Wherefore then serveth the law? A question is being asked here. Then why should we serve this law? It was added because of transgression, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; the law that we are talking about here was added because of sin. But we now know that sin is the transgression of the law. How do you add a law if sin is the transgression of the law? Because there are two sets of laws, you have God’s holy commandments which abided forever, and you had the animal sacrificial law which was added because of sin, but it was only good until the seed should come to whom the promise was made, and that seed was Jesus. (v.24) Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. This animal sacrificial law was only a schoolmaster. And this schoolmaster taught you that when you sinned in ignorance blood had to be shed (an animal sacrificed). But Christ being the ultimate sacrifice shed his precious blood once and for all, and by doing this putting an end to the animal sacrificial law.

Lets take a look at what Paul said in (Rom. 7:7,12) (v.7) What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, THOU SHALT NOT COVET. Paul asked a question, is the law sin? He said God forbid, he said the only way that he knew what sin was, was by the law. (v.12) Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. Why in the world would a Christian want to do away with something that God said is holy. Paul said in (Rom. 4:15) Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. If you lust or commit any kind of sin, you do what Jesus said in Matthew 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
 
You are miss understanding what is saying, you are also mixing verses together that do not connect. The law Paul was talking about that was taking away was the animal sacrificial law, not the Commandments (laws). Why didn't you go to Hebrews
Paul explained this in; (Heb.10:1, 9-10,18,26-27) (v.1) For the law (what law, the law of animal sacrifice?) having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. (v.9) Then said he, (Jesus) Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first that he may establish the second. (v.10) By which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. When Jesus died on the cross that was the end of the first covenant, which consisted of the blood of animals and the keeping of God’s commandments. And his death also brought in the second covenant, which consist of the blood of Jesus and the keeping of God’s commandments. (v.18) Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. In other words, no more animals are going to die for your sins. (v.26) For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins.
Now do we understand what’s being said here? If you sin willfully after you have knowledge of what the truth is, no more animals are going to die for you. (v.27) But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Now if you are being deceived into believing that once you are under God’s grace you no longer have to keep his commandments, all you have to look forward to is the day of judgement and the lake of fire (fiery indignation).

Now no brother I do not think I misunderstand at all. First the law has not ceased to exist (of course not, there are still multitudes that have not come to Christ) and now we who are in Christ, by the Spirit, can live what the Commandments declared (but not because we follow a list of dos and don'ts but because the law of the Spirit is written in our hearts). You saw it and wrote it but maybe do not discern it...you quoted saying "Then said he, (Jesus) Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first that he may establish the second. (v.10) By which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all."

And there it is again...we are sanctified (made holy, set apart as his) through the offering of the body of Jesus (our atonement, our redemption, the perfectly appropriate all fulfilling sin offering) "once for all". All the striving to obtain righteousness has been resolved in Christ...the law has not gone away (God forbid) we who have been sanctified by HIM are done with striving...for by grace are you saved through faith...you commentary in red is eisegesis (what you read it as) and I do not believe we are not to obey God (God forbid) but we must take into account the whole council of God on this matter some of which (many scriptures) I already gave.

Remember what Jesus said to the young man who had apparently been careful to keep all the 10 Commandments since his birth (Luke 17:10) He said "In the same way, when you have done all that you were commanded, you should say, We are good-for-nothing slaves; we've only done our duty." See it is the way we approach this that makes commandment keeping the way to salvation (Romans 9:32). It s no longer "I" who live....if it is by who can or who cannot keep the 10 commandments then it is about "I"....but we seek it not by doing but by faith in what He has done on our behalf. There is no more sacrifice for sin (for this is how God chose for sin to be dealt with). If so where are these being performed. No! While we were yet SINNERS Christ died for THE UNGODLY (that was us) once for all, and then He sat down (they worked and He is at rest, a shabbat that He gives us who formerly labored and were heavily laden, but now are IN HIM) right now, by His faith, all heavenly blessings are ours IN CHRIST JESUS (how many?)

These are not my thoughts that I figured out to excuse myself, they are the word of God, and that new man that I now am, will not again be snared into bondage UNDER the Law...I know that every man has sin in his life and only the blood shed and the resurrection from the dead made the death of the old man (under the law and condemned by the law) possible and the birth of the new man (in Christ Jesus) a present and eternal reality (not by works of righteousness that I have done but by HIS mercy). Now is the time of yeshuah, today IS that day, and I rejoice and am glad IN IT.

Now the passages you have given (and also they are many) are not alone (for also those I have given are the word of God) for there are more and they all must be the one truth not one set opposed to another but the whole of one truth (His word to-usward)...if now I turn from faith in Christ alone for the remission of sins and decide it is now I who must do this or do that to have salvation or maintain it, and I do it perfectly, then who gets the glory (I), but now in Him I live that life because it is He living in and through me who lives it. Do you also see this? This flesh (of the old man) MUST die, but the new spirit man (born of Him) baptized (immersed) into Him by the Holy Spirit cannot be removed or taken away by that rotting corpse I still dwell in, and nothing I make this old tent do is going to change that. In Him, it is a done deed.

In His love

Brother Paul
 
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Lets go into (Gal. 3:1, 13, 16-17, 19, 24) (v.1) O FOOLISH Ga-la’-tians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? (v.13) Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, CURSED IS EVERYONE THAT HANGETH ON A TREE: What law is this talking about? Let the bible speak for itself. (v.16) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of One, AND TO THY SEED, which is Christ. (v.17) And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. Now pay attention, the law that is being spoken of here came four hundred and thirty years after this covenant. But God’s holy commandments have been around forever even before man was created. Remember that Satan was kicked out of heaven because iniquity (sin) was found in him. And what is sin? The transgression of the law (commandments). (v.19) Wherefore then serveth the law? A question is being asked here. Then why should we serve this law? It was added because of transgression, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; the law that we are talking about here was added because of sin. But we now know that sin is the transgression of the law. How do you add a law if sin is the transgression of the law? Because there are two sets of laws, you have God’s holy commandments which abided forever, and you had the animal sacrificial law which was added because of sin, but it was only good until the seed should come to whom the promise was made, and that seed was Jesus. (v.24) Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. This animal sacrificial law was only a schoolmaster. And this schoolmaster taught you that when you sinned in ignorance blood had to be shed (an animal sacrificed). But Christ being the ultimate sacrifice shed his precious blood once and for all, and by doing this putting an end to the animal sacrificial law.

Lets take a look at what Paul said in (Rom. 7:7,12) (v.7) What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, THOU SHALT NOT COVET. Paul asked a question, is the law sin? He said God forbid, he said the only way that he knew what sin was, was by the law. (v.12) Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. Why in the world would a Christian want to do away with something that God said is holy. Paul said in (Rom. 4:15) Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. If you lust or commit any kind of sin, you do what Jesus said in Matthew 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

How conveniently you divide and define "the law" to support your perspective. So then if you keep all the commandments, are you then justified? No because you still have sin in your life...(at least those already committed and these cannot enter the kingdom of God lest you be judged)

If you fail in keeping them are you then not justified? No because to be justified means "to be made right"...it is the same root as the word righteous...the righteous are those who have been MADE righteous...so do you have this power (having sinned) to be made righteous by mere repentance alone? No! It does not wash away your sin...only God can wash your sin away and count or declare you as righteous (therefore we are justified before God ONLY by faith)...the just (those made right) shall live by faith...and so it always has been and always will be, amen
 
Lets go into (Gal. 3:1, 13, 16-17, 19, 24) (v.1) O FOOLISH Ga-la’-tians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? (v.13) Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, CURSED IS EVERYONE THAT HANGETH ON A TREE: What law is this talking about? Let the bible speak for itself. (v.16) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of One, AND TO THY SEED, which is Christ. (v.17) And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. Now pay attention, the law that is being spoken of here came four hundred and thirty years after this covenant. But God’s holy commandments have been around forever even before man was created. Remember that Satan was kicked out of heaven because iniquity (sin) was found in him. And what is sin? The transgression of the law (commandments). (v.19) Wherefore then serveth the law? A question is being asked here. Then why should we serve this law? It was added because of transgression, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; the law that we are talking about here was added because of sin. But we now know that sin is the transgression of the law. How do you add a law if sin is the transgression of the law? Because there are two sets of laws, you have God’s holy commandments which abided forever, and you had the animal sacrificial law which was added because of sin, but it was only good until the seed should come to whom the promise was made, and that seed was Jesus. (v.24) Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. This animal sacrificial law was only a schoolmaster. And this schoolmaster taught you that when you sinned in ignorance blood had to be shed (an animal sacrificed). But Christ being the ultimate sacrifice shed his precious blood once and for all, and by doing this putting an end to the animal sacrificial law.

Lets take a look at what Paul said in (Rom. 7:7,12) (v.7) What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, THOU SHALT NOT COVET. Paul asked a question, is the law sin? He said God forbid, he said the only way that he knew what sin was, was by the law. (v.12) Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. Why in the world would a Christian want to do away with something that God said is holy. Paul said in (Rom. 4:15) Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. If you lust or commit any kind of sin, you do what Jesus said in Matthew 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

As I stated, I am sure that you are sincere in what you believe but the truth is still the same. YOU are posting verses that simply do not apply to one being able to lose their salvation by not keeping the law. NOT ONE single verse that you used declares that man must keep the law in order to remain saved. NOT ONE!!!

If you will follow correct exegesis of those verses you will see that there is a deeper and different meaning than the one you want it to say.

My dear brother, please think about this. How could keeping the law keep a man saved when the law was never given to save man.
The law never saved anyone and could not in fact save anyone. We are saved by grace through FAITH. We are justified by FAITH and we walk by faith.

NOW.......after one is saved, he will then have the desire to follow God, try to keep His Word and commandments and do good works so as to honor the Father and bring Him glory. BUT since we CAN not keep the Law we have the shed blood of the Lord Jesus to cleanse us and KEEP US SAVED. If we have to keep the Law as well as be under the blood of Jesus we have then insulted the Lord Jesus and said in fact that His work on the cross was not enough to save us and keep us saved.

God bless you and I hope you will pray earnestly about this.
 
Now no brother I do not think I misunderstand at all. First the law has not ceased to exist (of course not, there are still multitudes that have not come to Christ) and now we who are in Christ, by the Spirit, can live what the Commandments declared (but not because we follow a list of dos and don'ts but because the law of the Spirit is written in our hearts). You saw it and wrote it but maybe do not discern it...you quoted saying "Then said he, (Jesus) Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first that he may establish the second. (v.10) By which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all."

And there it is again...we are sanctified (made holy, set apart as his) through the offering of the body of Jesus (our atonement, our redemption, the perfectly appropriate all fulfilling sin offering) "once for all". All the striving to obtain righteousness has been resolved in Christ...the law has not gone away (God forbid) we who have been sanctified by HIM are done with striving...for by grace are you saved through faith...you commentary in red is eisegesis (what you read it as) and I do not believe we are not to obey God (God forbid) but we must take into account the whole council of God on this matter some of which (many scriptures) I already gave.

Remember what Jesus said to the young man who had apparently been careful to keep all the 10 Commandments since his birth (Luke 17:10) He said "In the same way, when you have done all that you were commanded, you should say, We are good-for-nothing slaves; we've only done our duty." See it is the way we approach this that makes commandment keeping the way to salvation (Romans 9:32). It s no longer "I" who live....if it is by who can or who cannot keep the 10 commandments then it is about "I"....but we seek it not by doing but by faith in what He has done on our behalf. There is no more sacrifice for sin (for this is how God chose for sin to be dealt with). If so where are these being performed. No! While we were yet SINNERS Christ died for THE UNGODLY (that was us) once for all, and then He sat down (they worked and He is at rest, a shabbat that He gives us who formerly labored and were heavily laden, but now are IN HIM) right now, by His faith, all heavenly blessings are ours IN CHRIST JESUS (how many?)

These are not my thoughts that I figured out to excuse myself, they are the word of God, and that new man that I now am, will not again be snared into bondage UNDER the Law...I know that every man has sin in his life and only the blood shed and the resurrection from the dead made the death of the old man (under the law and condemned by the law) possible and the birth of the new man (in Christ Jesus) a present and eternal reality (not by works of righteousness that I have done but by HIS mercy). Now is the time of yeshuah, today IS that day, and I rejoice and am glad IN IT.

Now the passages you have given (and also they are many) are not alone (for also those I have given are the word of God) for there are more and they all must be the one truth not one set opposed to another but the whole of one truth (His word to-usward)...if now I turn from faith in Christ alone for the remission of sins and decide it is now I who must do this or do that to have salvation or maintain it, and I do it perfectly, then who gets the glory (I), but now in Him I live that life because it is He living in and through me who lives it. Do you also see this? This flesh (of the old man) MUST die, but the new spirit man (born of Him) baptized (immersed) into Him by the Holy Spirit cannot be removed or taken away by that rotting corpse I still dwell in, and nothing I make this old tent do is going to change that. In Him, it is a done deed.

In His love

Brother Paul

My dear brother Paul.....your words are encouraging and uplifting and absolutely Biblically correct! God bless you!
 
Hello Major! What if a person has accepted Christ as his Lord and Saviour, then lives for many years.. But he never took the initiative of water baptism.. So this is not a case where the person was unable to get baptised. He "deliberately" did not do it.. How would God honor that action? What is your opinion on that? :)

Though Lord directly commands this, I personally don't think it is an entry criteria.. I believe that only Holy Spirit empowers a person to be a witness to others.. The same way, the Holy Spirit will convict a genuine believer to show the inward conversion with the outward action of baptism.. Still, the question pops up to me.. Can someone really resist that and never get baptized?

Good question.

Baptism should be a part of every believers experience, but it is not a requirement of being saved. It is all about obedience! It is about commitment! It is about being identified with Christ Jesus. It is an outward expression of an inward decision to follow Christ.

That being said, the first thing I would have to do is to confirm that the person was truely saved to begin with. That is always my starting point. Once that is confirmed then I would have to investigate the reason why he did not follow through on the clear directions of the Bible that he indeed follow through with baptism.

IF, IF it was some kind on mental phobia of being afraid of water, or fear of being under water or something of that nature then I would approach that person with the option of being "sprinkled" instead of being immersed. Now do not misunderstand me. I am not a proponent of sprinkling at all. But there has been times when that was the only thing that could be done and since it is symbolic, I think it would honor God.

That has happened on the battlefield, hospital beds, nursing homes etc.

If that fails and the person refuses then it seems to me that the first option of confirming the salvation experience would have to be considered again.

Excellent question and may the Lord bless you
 
Lets go into (Gal. 3:1, 13, 16-17, 19, 24) (v.1) O FOOLISH Ga-la’-tians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? (v.13) Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, CURSED IS EVERYONE THAT HANGETH ON A TREE: What law is this talking about? Let the bible speak for itself. (v.16) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of One, AND TO THY SEED, which is Christ. (v.17) And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. Now pay attention, the law that is being spoken of here came four hundred and thirty years after this covenant. But God’s holy commandments have been around forever even before man was created. Remember that Satan was kicked out of heaven because iniquity (sin) was found in him. And what is sin? The transgression of the law (commandments). (v.19) Wherefore then serveth the law? A question is being asked here. Then why should we serve this law? It was added because of transgression, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; the law that we are talking about here was added because of sin. But we now know that sin is the transgression of the law. How do you add a law if sin is the transgression of the law? Because there are two sets of laws, you have God’s holy commandments which abided forever, and you had the animal sacrificial law which was added because of sin, but it was only good until the seed should come to whom the promise was made, and that seed was Jesus. (v.24) Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. This animal sacrificial law was only a schoolmaster. And this schoolmaster taught you that when you sinned in ignorance blood had to be shed (an animal sacrificed). But Christ being the ultimate sacrifice shed his precious blood once and for all, and by doing this putting an end to the animal sacrificial law.

Lets take a look at what Paul said in (Rom. 7:7,12) (v.7) What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, THOU SHALT NOT COVET. Paul asked a question, is the law sin? He said God forbid, he said the only way that he knew what sin was, was by the law. (v.12) Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. Why in the world would a Christian want to do away with something that God said is holy. Paul said in (Rom. 4:15) Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. If you lust or commit any kind of sin, you do what Jesus said in Matthew 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Tan............consider these Bible verse that speak specificly to one not having to keep the law to stay saved:

Gal. 2:16
"For by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."

Gal. 2:21
"If righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain".
Gal. 3:2
"Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith".
Gal.3:6
"Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness."

Gal. 3:7

"Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham".
Gal. 3:8
"The scripture foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith.
Gal. 3:9
"So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
Gal. 3:10
"For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse".
Gal.3:10
"For it is written, Cursed is everyone that continues not in all things which are written
in the book of the law to do them.".
Gal. 3:11
"But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident."

I reccomend that a close and careful Bible study be done on the book of Galatians. The epistle was written because of the actions of the unscrupulous "Judaizers". These legalists had vigorously discredited and denounced Paul and the gosple and had been able to turn many from Christianity to Jusaism.

They claimed that the Jewish law was binding upon Christians and that salvation was attained and kept by the works of the law.
The purpose of the book of Galatians was to root out the errors of these legalists and win back the converts to their commitment to Christ by FAITH. Paul sets forth grace as opposed to law keeping and also to works and spirit as opposed to the flesh.

The people who profess that keeping the law is needed to be saved and to stay saved are then in fact falling into this error which Paul spoke almost 2000 years ago. The message to the Galatians of justification by FAITH only is very important to us today. We are beset by cults, ism's, and religious systems that seek to gain heaven by what we can do rather that from divine grace and what Jesus Christ has already done for us.

ANYTIME we suggest that there is something we must do to be saved or to stay saved is Biblical error and false teaching. To believe we must keep the law is to slap God in the face and tell Him that Jesus was not enough.

Blessing to you my brother.
 
You are miss understanding what is saying, you are also mixing verses together that do not connect. The law Paul was talking about that was taking away was the animal sacrificial law, not the Commandments (laws). Why didn't you go to Hebrews
Paul explained this in; (Heb.10:1, 9-10,18,26-27) (v.1) For the law (what law, the law of animal sacrifice?) having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. (v.9) Then said he, (Jesus) Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first that he may establish the second. (v.10) By which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. When Jesus died on the cross that was the end of the first covenant, which consisted of the blood of animals and the keeping of God’s commandments. And his death also brought in the second covenant, which consist of the blood of Jesus and the keeping of God’s commandments. (v.18) Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. In other words, no more animals are going to die for your sins. (v.26) For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins.
Now do we understand what’s being said here? If you sin willfully after you have knowledge of what the truth is, no more animals are going to die for you. (v.27) But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Now if you are being deceived into believing that once you are under God’s grace you no longer have to keep his commandments, all you have to look forward to is the day of judgement and the lake of fire (fiery indignation).

I am amused when I come to comments about keeping the Law to be saved and obeying God to stay saved. I guesit is just me, because I'm not a very good Christian. I know my treacherous and sinful heart. I know what I have done and where I have been and If my salvation were dependent in any way upon my faithfulness or obedience, then I'm in real trouble. I suspect that most of you reading these words are in the same condtion that I am in!!!! Personally, I would never claim that I was able to remain faithful enough or do enough good to maintain my position with God. I just can't go there because I know that I can't, and I also know that none of you can either. Instead, I rely totally on him to save me and keep me aved, not me to keep myself.
All that I am and all I need is found in the work of Christ. Even my ability to believe is God's work. My believing has been granted to me by God. And, I believe because I was appointed to eternal life. Can I then stand before God and man and say that I am keeping my position with God by my own faithfulness? NOT ME!!!! This is something I can never claim.
That is why I ask people who believe they can lose their salvation and are seeking to maintain it by being faithful, "Are you taking credit for your believing?" If they say yes, they are boasting.

If they say no, then I ask them what makes them think that if God who granted that they believe (Phil. 1:29), appointed them to eternal life (Acts 13:48), chose them before the foundation of the world for salvation (Eph. 1:4-5; 2 Thess. 2:13), predestined them (Rom. 8:29-30), and said he will lose none (John 6:39), we'll let them slip through his fingers when he said it was his will that those who believe would not be lost and would be raised on the last day (John 6:37-40)?
 

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I am amused when I come to comments about keeping the Law to be saved and obeying God to stay saved. I guesit is just me, because I'm not a very good Christian. I know my treacherous and sinful heart. I know what I have done and where I have been and If my salvation were dependent in any way upon my faithfulness or obedience, then I'm in real trouble. I suspect that most of you reading these words are in the same condtion that I am in!!!! Personally, I would never claim that I was able to remain faithful enough or do enough good to maintain my position with God. I just can't go there because I know that I can't, and I also know that none of you can either. Instead, I rely totally on him to save me and keep me aved, not me to keep myself.
All that I am and all I need is found in the work of Christ. Even my ability to believe is God's work. My believing has been granted to me by God. And, I believe because I was appointed to eternal life. Can I then stand before God and man and say that I am keeping my position with God by my own faithfulness? NOT ME!!!! This is something I can never claim.
That is why I ask people who believe they can lose their salvation and are seeking to maintain it by being faithful, "Are you taking credit for your believing?" If they say yes, they are boasting.

If they say no, then I ask them what makes them think that if God who granted that they believe (Phil. 1:29), appointed them to eternal life (Acts 13:48), chose them before the foundation of the world for salvation (Eph. 1:4-5; 2 Thess. 2:13), predestined them (Rom. 8:29-30), and said he will lose none (John 6:39), we'll let them slip through his fingers when he said it was his will that those who believe would not be lost and would be raised on the last day (John 6:37-40)?



If you truly love God, then you will obey "Every word" that proceeds out of his mouth (Matthew 4:4). Baptism is one of those words. In order to be baptized, certain events must take place: You must give up a lifestyle where sin has dominion, (ruler ship) over you. Sin according to 1 John 3:4, Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression (breaking) of the law. You must be taught "The Word", before you can adhere to God's commandments (judgments\statues).
These laws are found in the Holy Bible; beginning with Genesis and ending with Revelation.

You must believe what the bible says and finally, you must confess that Jesus is Lord. Once this has been accomplished, you are qualified to be baptized in the name of Jesus.

This is the order you must follow to walk in line with Jesus.

If Paul, Jesus, the apostles and prophets have to do these things, then so do you and everybody else. Paul said in Romans 2: 11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
 

Bro.tan

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Tan............consider these Bible verse that speak specificly to one not having to keep the law to stay saved:

Gal. 2:16
"For by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."

Gal. 2:21
"If righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain".
Gal. 3:2
"Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith".
Gal.3:6
"Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness."

Gal. 3:7

"Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham".
Gal. 3:8
"The scripture foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith.
Gal. 3:9
"So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
Gal. 3:10
"For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse".
Gal.3:10
"For it is written, Cursed is everyone that continues not in all things which are written
in the book of the law to do them.".
Gal. 3:11
"But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident."

I reccomend that a close and careful Bible study be done on the book of Galatians. The epistle was written because of the actions of the unscrupulous "Judaizers". These legalists had vigorously discredited and denounced Paul and the gosple and had been able to turn many from Christianity to Jusaism.

They claimed that the Jewish law was binding upon Christians and that salvation was attained and kept by the works of the law.
The purpose of the book of Galatians was to root out the errors of these legalists and win back the converts to their commitment to Christ by FAITH. Paul sets forth grace as opposed to law keeping and also to works and spirit as opposed to the flesh.

The people who profess that keeping the law is needed to be saved and to stay saved are then in fact falling into this error which Paul spoke almost 2000 years ago. The message to the Galatians of justification by FAITH only is very important to us today. We are beset by cults, ism's, and religious systems that seek to gain heaven by what we can do rather that from divine grace and what Jesus Christ has already done for us.

ANYTIME we suggest that there is something we must do to be saved or to stay saved is Biblical error and false teaching. To believe we must keep the law is to slap God in the face and tell Him that Jesus was not enough.

Blessing to you my brother.



The Bible does not teach what you are saying, that's a man made doctrine you speak of. What I'm doing is teaching you the same way Peter was trying to teach the Gentiles. Peter said in Acts 15:6And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter. 7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. 8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; 9 And put no difference between us and them, This dispute is mainly talking about the Gentiles being circumcise, understand that some of those Israelites didn't want Gentiles in this word of God. Jesus gave Peter the keys to the kingdom, and this for a reason. Pay attention to what Peter said in 2 Peter 1 :19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. What Peter is saying here, when you start having problems in this word, always go back to the OT, that’s the foundation of this word.

I don’t know your nationality, but what you have to understand is that every word that was written in the Bible was written by an Israelite. For what purpose did the Lord choose the children of Israel? (Exodus 19: 1-6) Let's look at the 5th & 6th vs.; "Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: (6th vs.) and ye shall be unto me a Kingdom of Priest, and a holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel."

The lord have not changed his ways. For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed (Malachi 3:6)

If you are a Gentile or from any other nation, and you are being taught by another Gentile or nation, who have not been taught by a Hebrew Israelite, (who keeps the commandments, statues and judgments), then there’s going to be a lot of miss understanding and miss leading. The question is How can one who is not of the lineage of Israel, become partakers of the covenant of God? Lets take a look into (Ephesians 2:11-22) Let's look at the 11th through 13th verses. "Wherefore remember, that ye being in the time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called uncircumcision by that which is called the circumcision in the flesh made by hands; (12th vs.) That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenant of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: (13th vs.) But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ."

Now, Paul said in Romans 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: 8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, 9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: 11 For there is no respect of persons with God. 12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; 13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
 
The Bible does not teach what you are saying, that's a man made doctrine you speak of. What I'm doing is teaching you the same way Peter was trying to teach the Gentiles. Peter said in Acts 15:6And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter. 7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. 8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; 9 And put no difference between us and them, This dispute is mainly talking about the Gentiles being circumcise, understand that some of those Israelites didn't want Gentiles in this word of God. Jesus gave Peter the keys to the kingdom, and this for a reason. Pay attention to what Peter said in 2 Peter 1 :19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. What Peter is saying here, when you start having problems in this word, always go back to the OT, that’s the foundation of this word.

I don’t know your nationality, but what you have to understand is that every word that was written in the Bible was written by an Israelite. For what purpose did the Lord choose the children of Israel? (Exodus 19: 1-6) Let's look at the 5th & 6th vs.; "Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: (6th vs.) and ye shall be unto me a Kingdom of Priest, and a holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel."

The lord have not changed his ways. For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed (Malachi 3:6)

If you are a Gentile or from any other nation, and you are being taught by another Gentile or nation, who have not been taught by a Hebrew Israelite, (who keeps the commandments, statues and judgments), then there’s going to be a lot of miss understanding and miss leading. The question is How can one who is not of the lineage of Israel, become partakers of the covenant of God? Lets take a look into (Ephesians 2:11-22) Let's look at the 11th through 13th verses. "Wherefore remember, that ye being in the time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called uncircumcision by that which is called the circumcision in the flesh made by hands; (12th vs.) That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenant of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: (13th vs.) But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ."

Now, Paul said in Romans 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: 8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, 9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: 11 For there is no respect of persons with God. 12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; 13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Not so Tan. You are trying to teach a doctrine which is NOT substantiated by Scripture but is in fact denounced by Scripture.We can disagree and it is apparent that is going to be the case here, but we can not disagree with what the Bible says. In fact, the real truth here is that the belief in losing ones salvation by having to keep the Law is the man made teaching.

I am sure you are sincere in what you think but I must say that what you are teaching is Biblically wrong. It appears that you are doing the classic error of making the Scriptures fit what you want them to say instead of accepting as what they say to be true. You want to believe that man must keep the law to be saved so that is how you approach the Scriptures.....with a preconceived notion.

As I stated, the "Judizers" of the 1st century did exactly the same thing and That is what the entire book of Galatians is about and that can not be denied or ignored.

My nationality should have nothing to do with anything at all except where I go to vote. But if you choose to read the profile you will see that I am an American born and bread in the good old south of Dixie. I am just an old country boy who has in his life the extraordinary opportunity to sit and listen to some of the greatest Bible scholars to ever have lived.
 
If you truly love God, then you will obey "Every word" that proceeds out of his mouth (Matthew 4:4). Baptism is one of those words. In order to be baptized, certain events must take place: You must give up a lifestyle where sin has dominion, (ruler ship) over you. Sin according to 1 John 3:4, Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression (breaking) of the law. You must be taught "The Word", before you can adhere to God's commandments (judgments\statues).
These laws are found in the Holy Bible; beginning with Genesis and ending with Revelation.

You must believe what the bible says and finally, you must confess that Jesus is Lord. Once this has been accomplished, you are qualified to be baptized in the name of Jesus.

This is the order you must follow to walk in line with Jesus.

If Paul, Jesus, the apostles and prophets have to do these things, then so do you and everybody else. Paul said in Romans 2: 11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

So now we are saying that not only do we have to keep the laws to be saved, we must also be baptized as well to be saved.

Tell me Tan.......have you ever given the gospel to a woman with cancer and was unable to lift her head from the bed much less walk to a pool or survive being baptized, and she accepted the Lord Jesus and then died when her neck broke as her husband hugged her?????

Now are you going to tell all of us that that woman was not saved because she was physically unable to survive being baptized.
What kind of Christian love and compassion are you teaching Tan.

Have you ever given the gospel to a man with a hole in his chest on the battlefield and he accepted only to die. He was not baptized but he did as the Scriptures said.......Believe and you will be saved.

Do you really believe that God intended that to be the way of salvation.

If that is the case, then the little children/babies who die with out believing or being baptized are not in heaven as well. What kind of thinking is that????
 
I agree with my brother in comment #39 and to the comment he makes of ................

"The regenerate nature has such an impact on ones behavior that those born of God will persevere in the faith and in a lifestyle consistent with that faith."

I believe I know what he is saying and that is we as believers will be motivated by the Holy Spirit of God to live a life that the Lord will be pleased with, BUT when we fail, and we will fail, He will still love us and forgive us because of the blood of Jesus which was shed for us cleanes us from all sin.
 

Bro.tan

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So now we are saying that not only do we have to keep the laws to be saved, we must also be baptized as well to be saved.

Tell me Tan.......have you ever given the gospel to a woman with cancer and was unable to lift her head from the bed much less walk to a pool or survive being baptized, and she accepted the Lord Jesus and then died when her neck broke as her husband hugged her?????

Now are you going to tell all of us that that woman was not saved because she was physically unable to survive being baptized.
What kind of Christian love and compassion are you teaching Tan.

Have you ever given the gospel to a man with a hole in his chest on the battlefield and he accepted only to die. He was not baptized but he did as the Scriptures said.......Believe and you will be saved.

Do you really believe that God intended that to be the way of salvation.

If that is the case, then the little children/babies who die with out believing or being baptized are not in heaven as well. What kind of thinking is that????


I teach the uncut word of God, those situation I'm quite sure God will deal with them at the time appointed, but for those who are able to do the will of God and hear his word, their time is now. Paul said in Hebrews 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. 3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;3:15 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation. 3:16 For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.

What Paul is taking about here is those who will rest in Jesus Kingdom, the saint, those who will make to the first resurrection, who will do the will of the Father, which is to keep the commandments. So don't harden your hart when you hear what you have to do to become a saint. Its written in Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
 
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