The judgment seat of Christ: Dividing wheat from tares by works.

#1. Incorrect theology on your part IMHO.
The “fire” of God’s scrutiny will reveal the quality of our works. As Arthur Pink points out, “‘Gold, silver, precious stones’ are of intrinsic value, whereas ‘wood, hay, stubble’ are a natural growth”.
Source..... (The Redeemer’s Return, ch. 8, pt. 5).
Rewards are distributed to those whose works withstand the test. Those whose works have a natural source will “suffer loss.” Their works will be burned up, but they themselves “will be saved.” The judgment seat of Christ, then, does not confer or rescind salvation.

#2. Incorrect theology.
This can not be a reference to sin because Jesus has already been judged for all the sins of our life and all of them have been forgiven
according to Col. 2:13:15. Otherwise we wouldn’t even be there.
The good things will be rewarded and the bad things will be discarded, being of no value in the Kingdom. But even if we have nothing good to our credit we’ll still be saved = 1 Corth. 3:11-15.
3. That is correct. "False" teachers who promote lies and falsehoods will fall into the catagory God described in Matthew 7 and they will here these words....."Depart from me, I never knew you".

May I say here to you with all due respect and love, you really do post some very questionable comments and teachings.

I mean....the idea that God will, in your own words........."Therefore, it's not just good things received at the Bema judgment, but also bad things."

Listen my dear friend, why in the world would God reward His born again believers with bad things????? That makes NO sense and even begs the question why anyone would then want to be saved to begin with.
I see we are at an impasse by two things. First, we are repeating ourselves without agreement. And also because once an accusation of false doctrine is made, then at least on this topic our ears are closed.

Tit 3:10A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;

In this Scripture, it really doesn't say who is the false teacher, but only that once the charge is made, then it simply means we're at an end.
It's really not a personal matter, but merely a logical conclusion to an ongoing disagreement.

I really do appreciate your input on this topic. I have learned some things from it. And I cannot deny your obvious time of study, and your ability to teach it as clearly as possible. That takes discipline and practice.
 
true but where do you stand with the doctrine of the trinity? yea or nay and is water baptism essential to salvation as in must be to be saved?? just yes or no no more questions asked
Yea, nay.
Personally I would like to see you respond to the Trinity and do you accept the Godhead as a Trinty of 3 persons, of Father, Son and Holy Spirit all co-equal and co-eternal.

Also.....do you teach that water baptism is an essential to salvation?
Whew! Been a bit rugged on the Bema topic. I'm more than glad to move on with the trinity and water baptism.

Yes, I say there is the Trinity of the Godhead:

If we believe the Word was with God and was God, then we know that God the Word was with God the Spirit in the beginning. And so, the mystery of the Godhead is God, the Word, and the Spirit are 3 Persons, that are one God in perfect unity.

No, water baptism is not necessary to become saved:

It's the same error as outward circumcision, being necessary to become saved. The error of being saved by works, is if faith is negated for salvation, until a certain work is done.

Act 15:1 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.

The error is not just preaching outward circumcision for believers in Jesus Christ, but rather the danger is commanding it, in order to first be saved.

Rom 4:14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
When any work of the law or righteousness must be done to become saved, then it nullifies being saved by faith in Jesus Christ. As though the faith of Jesus in the meantime, is nothing in itself, and unable to save the soul.

Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

That said, water baptism is a necessary part of keeping the commandments of the Lord, since Jesus commands it to His disciples. If we have a problem with water baptism, it's because we have a heart of faith problem with the Lord Jesus.

Luk 9:26 For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels.
 
My reading of Scripture is that there will be both good and bad at both, with some judged unto life, and others unto shame. The main difference is that only servants naming His name will be at His Bema judgment. But at the GWT, there will be all the wicked of history, and His millennial kingdom servants.
lets look at it again

2 Corinthians 5:10​

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.”


this is the bema seat judgment for works done good or bad


here is quote from Billy graham on the bema seat


If Jesus has forgiven all our sins, then why do we have to stand before God and be judged when we die? What is left for God to judge, if all our sins have been taken away?

his reply
One of the Bible’s greatest truths is that when we turn to Jesus Christ in repentance and faith, God forgives our sins and gives us the gift of eternal life. We no longer need to fear death or Hell or judgment, because Christ endured them for us. As the Bible says, “He forgave us all our sins” (Colossians 2:13).

At the same time, the Bible tells us that some day each of us will stand before God. If we have denied Him and refused to follow Him, we will be judged for our unbelief. God will say, “Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels” (Matthew 25:41). These are sobering words, and they should make every one of us stop and be sure of our commitment to Christ.

If we know Christ, however, our salvation is already assured. We’ll still stand before God – but not to be judged for our salvation. Instead, we will stand before God to be rewarded for our good deeds. The Bible says, “We must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad” (2 Corinthians 5:10). These too are sobering words, reminding us that we are accountable to God for the way we live as believers.

Thank God for His love for you – a love so great that He sent His Son to die for you. Now, respond to His love by living for Him every day.


once again this is not judgment of sins. although james writes to him who knows to do good and dont is a sin..

we have sins of commission we are all guilty of... and omission James 4:17 declares, "Anyone, then, who knows the good he ought to do and doesn’t do it, sins." A sin of omission is a sin that is the result of not doing something God’s Word teaches that we should do. It is generally used in contrast with the corresponding phrase “the sin of commission,” or sins that a person actively commits. Paul juxtaposes the two concepts in Romans 7:14-20. He decries his tendency toward both types of sin. He does what he doesn’t want to do and knows is wrong—the sin of commission—and he doesn’t do what he knows he should do and really wants to do—the sin of omission. Here is a picture of the new nature in conflict with the flesh in which it dwells.

once again this is not the white throne judgment if a person stands at this judgment your to the point of no return . its for those who have rejected Christ

your welcome to your belief iam not going to keep hashing this out.. i say this respectfully i feel your in error. it just dont line up with scripture .
 
Yea, nay.

Whew! Been a bit rugged on the Bema topic. I'm more than glad to move on with the trinity and water baptism.

Yes, I say there is the Trinity of the Godhead:

If we believe the Word was with God and was God, then we know that God the Word was with God the Spirit in the beginning. And so, the mystery of the Godhead is God, the Word, and the Spirit are 3 Persons, that are one God in perfect unity.

No, water baptism is not necessary to become saved:

It's the same error as outward circumcision, being necessary to become saved. The error of being saved by works, is if faith is negated for salvation, until a certain work is done.

Act 15:1 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.

The error is not just preaching outward circumcision for believers in Jesus Christ, but rather the danger is commanding it, in order to first be saved.

Rom 4:14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
When any work of the law or righteousness must be done to become saved, then it nullifies being saved by faith in Jesus Christ. As though the faith of Jesus in the meantime, is nothing in itself, and unable to save the soul.

Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

That said, water baptism is a necessary part of keeping the commandments of the Lord, since Jesus commands it to His disciples. If we have a problem with water baptism, it's because we have a heart of faith problem with the Lord Jesus.

Luk 9:26 For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels.
so it would be safe to say your not apostolic one ness Pentecost.. i agree with your reply the reason i ask it was suggested you was apostolic aka one ness if you are its not like the ones around here they are anti trinity focus heavy on water baptism and speaking in other languages. very heavy evidence of the h.s .. i labeled this part this way.. certain words are not allowed it kicks over the golden cow of religion .. i am actually this has not been shut down .. it creates indigestion with others lol..

myself i am good with it as long it does turn into a beating of the chest like tarzan king of religion.. my definition of religion is going through the motions . spray incense say few words
 
Yea, nay.

Whew! Been a bit rugged on the Bema topic. I'm more than glad to move on with the trinity and water baptism.

Yes, I say there is the Trinity of the Godhead:

If we believe the Word was with God and was God, then we know that God the Word was with God the Spirit in the beginning. And so, the mystery of the Godhead is God, the Word, and the Spirit are 3 Persons, that are one God in perfect unity.

No, water baptism is not necessary to become saved:

It's the same error as outward circumcision, being necessary to become saved. The error of being saved by works, is if faith is negated for salvation, until a certain work is done.

Act 15:1 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.

The error is not just preaching outward circumcision for believers in Jesus Christ, but rather the danger is commanding it, in order to first be saved.

Rom 4:14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
When any work of the law or righteousness must be done to become saved, then it nullifies being saved by faith in Jesus Christ. As though the faith of Jesus in the meantime, is nothing in itself, and unable to save the soul.

Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

That said, water baptism is a necessary part of keeping the commandments of the Lord, since Jesus commands it to His disciples. If we have a problem with water baptism, it's because we have a heart of faith problem with the Lord Jesus.

Luk 9:26 For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels.
Agreed on both topics.

I apologize for hi-jacking the thread but it dawned on me that some of your comments were leading me to think that your theology was based on the "Oneness Pentecostal" denomination.
 
lets look at it again

2 Corinthians 5:10​

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.”


this is the bema seat judgment for works done good or bad


here is quote from Billy graham on the bema seat


If Jesus has forgiven all our sins, then why do we have to stand before God and be judged when we die? What is left for God to judge, if all our sins have been taken away?

his reply
One of the Bible’s greatest truths is that when we turn to Jesus Christ in repentance and faith, God forgives our sins and gives us the gift of eternal life. We no longer need to fear death or Hell or judgment, because Christ endured them for us. As the Bible says, “He forgave us all our sins” (Colossians 2:13).

At the same time, the Bible tells us that some day each of us will stand before God. If we have denied Him and refused to follow Him, we will be judged for our unbelief. God will say, “Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels” (Matthew 25:41). These are sobering words, and they should make every one of us stop and be sure of our commitment to Christ.

If we know Christ, however, our salvation is already assured. We’ll still stand before God – but not to be judged for our salvation. Instead, we will stand before God to be rewarded for our good deeds. The Bible says, “We must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad” (2 Corinthians 5:10). These too are sobering words, reminding us that we are accountable to God for the way we live as believers.

Thank God for His love for you – a love so great that He sent His Son to die for you. Now, respond to His love by living for Him every day.
Billy Graham was a good man of God and evangelist for Jesus Christ. I still watch his crusade preaching.

He was also good at trying to find the middle ground in all disputes of doctrine. In this case, he threads the needle sufficiently for me to agree in spirit, if not in exact letter. I like that. He doesn't say anyone at the judgment seat will be rejected by works, nor does he say no one will be reject.

There will be those having departed from Jesus Christ, that will be rejected for unbelief.

2Ti 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

Luk 9:26 For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels.

Notice here how Scripture has a way of proving any dispute, in the simplest of ways: There will be those denied by Christ, when He comes in His glory: that is at His second coming. And He is speaking specifically to believers, warning us not to turn from Him. That is at His Bema seat judgment.

But of course, there are bad works judged at His seat, and they are those of the bad believers, that were ashamed of Him:

Tit 1:16They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

In any case, He makes a nice little distinction without a difference: Without acceding to rejection by those bad works, he concedes rejection by unbelief. The result is the same: Rejection of some at the Bema seat of Christ.

We also see this rejection is not at the GWT in heaven, because it is at His coming again to earth with glory.




Romans 7:14-20. He decries his tendency toward both types of sin. He does what he doesn’t want to do and knows is wrong—the sin of commission—and he doesn’t do what he knows he should do and really wants to do—the sin of omission. Here is a picture of the new nature in conflict with the flesh in which it dwells.
Well said. It's the result of being double hearted in the faith. We can also be delivered from that by Jesus Christ, with His faith and singleness of heart.

Rom 7:24, O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
once again this is not the white throne judgment if a person stands at this judgment your to the point of no return . its for those who have rejected Christ
I don't know if I've rebutted this with you, but I have in this thread. Dan 12:2 prophecies a resurrection of both good and bad souls at the same time, some to life and others to shame.

Since the first resurrection is only of the blessed saints, that will reign with Christ for a thousand years, then Dan 12 must be referring to the rest of the dead living again. They will be judged by works, and found written in the book of life, or cast into the LOF. Since that excludes all saints having part in the first resurrection, then that must be all the wicked dead before and during the millennium. And those found in the book of life must be the good servants dying in Christ during His millennium.

Isa 2:2And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

Zec 8:23Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.

your welcome to your belief iam not going to keep hashing this out.. i say this respectfully i feel your in error. it just dont line up with scripture .
Dittoes. Nothing personal, just disagreeing who is with Scripture. Afterall, no one's making any judgment of one another. That's only up to the Lord at His appearing. ;)

Rom 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
 
Notice here how Scripture has a way of proving any dispute, in the simplest of ways: There will be those denied by Christ, when He comes in His glory: that is at His second coming. And He is speaking specifically to believers, warning us not to turn from Him. That is at His Bema seat judgment.
you never back down lol this is where we part ways on the bema seat.. as a sign read in a church i use to attend.. if everyone in this church was just like me.. what kind of Church would this be.. my reply i would like to say a pretty good Church. but to answer honestly it could be kind of dysfunctional is just like me.. in my Bible i use to carry a green tag i got from work called a W.I.P we put on baskets parts not ready for production... or we find something may not be right .. we write what we suspect might me wrong.. then a Hold tag is placed on it till we go through each part.. i work for Briggs and Stratton small engine in machinery w.i.p stand s for work in progress that's me with a hold tag there is a defect some place... so since i cant convert you Not yet anyway lol we agree not to disagree ( not much )

iam sure we will out find out areas we was wrong in in heaven but then it wont matter :eek:(y)
 
Agreed on both topics.

I apologize for hi-jacking the thread but it dawned on me that some of your comments were leading me to think that your theology was based on the "Oneness Pentecostal" denomination.
No problem. I think this topic has come to a conclusion.

But don't get me started on the Pentecosters! Especially the oneness folks! I love them, and an old friend of mine is oneness, but I can show by Scripture, that they are sidetracked into the same error of the Pharisees. So caught up in works, that faith and love of heart takes a back seat.

Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

I know this intimately, because I was a licensed minister of a holiness Pentecostal organization of churches. We were so holiness, even the rest of the Pentecostals were compromisers!

A small tidbit about oneness. If God the Father and Son are the same Person, and the Godhead is a headship of only One alone, then that means all members of His body must become one person too, even as the Father and Son:

Jhn 17:22
And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

You see brother, what I find most glorious about God's written words, is that there's always at least one Scripture that must end every dispute. Otherwise, we'd have to deny even grammar itself. How can the Father and Son possibly be the same one Person, if we all are going to be one, even as they are one??

The Bible obviously teaches God and His people have oneness of unity, not of person:

Jdg 20:1 Then all the children of Israel went out, and the congregation was gathered together as one man, from Dan even to Beersheba, with the land of Gilead, unto the LORD in Mizpeh.

Neh 8:1 And all the people gathered themselves together as one man into the street that was before the water gate; and they spake unto Ezra the scribe to bring the book of the law of Moses, which the LORD had commanded to Israel.


There is one verse that the oneness use, that can be a bit challenging:

Jhn 17:3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

It implies that Jesus is talking to God in heaven, as being the only true God there is in heaven and earth. But 1 John 5:20 plainly says that Jesus Christ is the true God also. As though the Father is not the only true God. The solution is simple though:

John 17 was the true God and Son Jesus Christ on earth speaking to the true God and Father in heaven: Therefore, the only true God in heaven, while the true God and Son was on earth, was the Father. They were together in heaven in the beginning, and are again together after the Son's resurrection, but not while the Son was on earth, and only the Father was in heaven.

And we can't say the Son was the only true God on earth, because God the Spirit was with Him all the days of His life in the flesh Beginning with being born of a virgin, up to dying on the cross for our sins.

Mat 1:18
Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

Mat 1:18
Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

Mat 1:18
Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

Heb 9:14
How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
 
In a nutshell first, I don't believe the Bible allows for any 'escape' from God's righteous judgment, where He judges all people by our work. The Bible does say that judgment begins with us His people before the unbelievers. I believe that is before Jesus Christ's seat at His second coming. He do as He promised and separate the wheat from the tares by judgment of our works.

Rom 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

2Co 5:9Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men;

There are several points, that can be made by an objective reading:

1. There is nothing exclusive to ministry in the words themselves. The judgment seat of Christ is only exclusive to those confessing God by Jesus Christ.

2. What we labor for is for us to be accepted of Him, not just our ministry.

3. The judgment is plainly of the things we do, whether good or bad. Once again, there is nothing about those things being exclusive to ministry alone.

4. And finally, it's the terror of the Lord we are warned of at His judgment seat, not just a deficiency of rewards.

Heb 10:29For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

The terror and vengeance the Lord's judgment, is reserved as a recompense of evil works. And it is specifically applied to His people.

Heb 2:2 For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward; How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;

1 Peter {1:15} But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; {1:16} Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy. {1:17} And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning [here] in fear:


The warning once again is to we who name Christ, where we will also be judged by our work, without respect of persons. I.e. no person will be exempted from the righteous Lord's judgment according to every man's work.

Rom 2:3And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

The warning can not be made clearer to the believers professing faith in Jesus Christ: If we are doing the same evil deeds of any man, then we are judged the same as any man doing the same evil.

The fear of the Lord is that He is not a respecter of persons, and He does judge all people equally by works. There is no 'escape clause' by faith alone.

Eze 9:6Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.

2 Peter{4:17} For the time [is come] that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if [it] first [begin] at us, what shall the end [be] of them that obey not the gospel of God? {4:18} And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?


Finally, we see that the judgment of man by his works, begins with God's people. And that judgment is based upon obedience to the gospel, not to ministry alone. Also, if the judgment that begins with us at Christ's seat is only for ministry, then so is continues on with the rest of the world. I.e. either no man is judged by works unto life or death, and only by ministry, or all men are only judged by works beginning at the Lord's house.

Instead, what the Scriptures shows is that above all people, we that name His name are held more accountable for our deeds, than the unbeliever.

Lam 4:6 For the punishment of the iniquity of the daughter of my people is greater than the punishment of the sin of Sodom, that was overthrown as in a moment, and no hands stayed on her.

The equality of God's justice, is that all are judged by works without respect of persons. If any man is judged guilty by evil works, then all men are judged guilty by the same works. If any person is excluded from judgment of works, to be tried by ministry alone, then so are all.

People can argue for one or the other, but not both at the same time. The reason being that the the Lord Jesus Christ the righteous, is not an unjust judge that plays favorites with His own house, while condemning only strangers that do the same things.

The judgment seat of Christ is the Lord's judgment His own people first, where He keeps His promise to separate by works the wheat from the tares.

Mat 13:28He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Mat 24:45Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/mat/24/48/s_953048

But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming, And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken, The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.


He is speaking of His second coming, and so that is when He judges His people from His seat. Only the wheat judged as righteous, will then receive few or many rewards for ministry and edification to the churches of God.

Hello everyone;

Wow. I read and re-read this thread and, speaking for myself, all the Scriptures and commentaries presented to seasoned disciples who posted, led me to wander, why haven't we reached a common ground in this discussion?

While reading each poster's view, you all spoke to me; Where does God point out the aspects of the wheat and tares in my life? Am I confusing the good seed with the bad weeds? In my self check, are my life and disposition filled with wisdom and discernment so I'm aligned with God's Word and teaching?

With all the passages presented in this thread does brings me to a positive light, and that's God's Unconditional Love, patience and grace. His will for me to wake the next morning is an opportunity for repentance, redemption and going forth in Christ.

I would be encouraged to see this discussion lead us to even further learning and self examination.

God bless you all.

Bob

 
why haven't we reached a common ground in this discussion?
simply because each person sees scripture different the osas vs osnas will we be raptured out before tribulation on mid way or after . some day we will find out who was right and who was wrong , but the most important thing is to know that you know beyond a shadow of doubt your truly saved
 
simply because each person sees scripture different the osas vs osnas
Without getting into THIS topic as I do understand it's a NO GO ZONE here..... IS this NOT considered an ESSENTIAL doctrine to biblical Christianity??

How are these two camps EXPECTED to co-exist in PEACE?? This is an honest and sincere question... open to anyone.
 
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