The judgment seat of Christ: Dividing wheat from tares by works.

Hello Marilyn,

While I completely agree that Jesus was speaking to His Jewish servants at the time, He was prophesying to His NT servants at His second coming. And the apostles confirm in 1 Thess 5 and 2 Peter 3, that the promise of His coming as a thief in the night, is made to us.

Perhaps you are mistaking the judgment of His NT servants, both Jew and Greek, when He comes again, with giving the land he promised to Abraham the natural Jews alone.





Amen, absolutely not. The body of Christ is already first resurrected at the Lord's return. He comes again as a thief in the night, with His judgment seat to judge His people and nations on earth. The GWT throne judgment in heaven is only for the rest of the dead that live again, after His thousand year reign on earth.


I understand this teaching and once believed it, but so long as the argument from the Scriptures I give are not corrected, then I'm compelled to no longer accept that common tradition.

The problem is that the Lord clearly warns all men and women must be judged by our works, without exception nor exemption. The righteous Lord cannot judge one person guilty for doing wrong, and not another doing the same thing.

Rom 2:3And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

Gal 6:7Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

Rom 2:19 For there is no respect of persons with God.

The warning inescapably applies to works we do unto life or death. This judgment of works cannot possibly be disannulled or 'sidestepped' based upon what we believe alone. Otherwise, the Lord is an unjust judge playing favorites with His people.

Lev 19:15 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.

2Ch 19:7 Wherefore now let the fear of the LORD be upon you; take heed and do it: for there is no iniquity with the LORD our God, nor respect of persons, nor taking of gifts.

1 Peter {1:15} But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; {1:16} Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy. {1:17} And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning [here] in fear:


I can only say that 1 Cor 3's 'examination' of our ministerial works, says nothing of the judgment seat of Christ, and the Scriptures of His judgment seat, say nothing of being excluded to ministerial works alone. In 1 Cor 3, the words are plain enough, that they are only our ministerial labors of love. In 2 Cor 5, the words are equally clear that the judgment seat is of all our works, whether good or bad.

And finally, it's only the judgment seat of Christ that comes with the warning of terror and vengeance for doing evil. There is no terror of vengeance pertaining to ministerial errors.

Unless of course, I suppose, our ministering is so bad, that others are destroyed by giving heed to us.

Rev 2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
You said...........
"I understand this teaching and once believed it, but so long as the argument from the Scriptures I give are not corrected, then I'm compelled to no longer accept that common tradition."

Maybe, just maybe that "common tradition" was and is the right understanding.

You said....
"the judgment seat of Christ that comes with the warning of terror and vengeance for doing evil"

What you understand to be terror and vengence, others including the Apostle Paul would understand it to be the sobering truth that all will stand before Christ to give an account, motivating believers to live righteously and share the gospel.
You see my friend, Life is a series of "tests". It is seen from Genesis to the Revelation.
In both the Old and New Testaments, the words translated “test” mean “to prove by trial.” Therefore, when God tests His children, His purpose is to prove that our faith is real. Not that God needs to prove it to Himself since He knows all things, but He is proving to us that our faith is real, that we are truly His children, and that no trial will overcome our faith.
 
It is my understanding of the Scriptures that the 2nd Coming of Christ and the Bema Seat Judgment are two seperate events.
they are but at the exact point time we dont know when the judgment takes place

what we do know is in romans 2 :16 in the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
 
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i realize this entire post is one sided..i hope this dont break the golden cow :eek: but knowing the terror of the Lord

11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences. Paul using the word terror there should be some reverence . in following this post i can see good point in all


the words translated “test” mean “to prove by trial.”

very true however to give account of the good and bad, what do we say to the bad ? in the testing by far paul compares us to be a wise master builder. so what will we give account if we have used wood hay or stubble ? claim the 5th ?
 
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