Thoughts on original sin and Christs birth

Adam was a spoken word man Jesus the second adam was a spoken word man. Adam entered into the transgression on account of the love for Eve but he was unable to redeem her because he was just a man. Jesus our kinsman redeemer also took on our sin an iniquity but is able to redeem us because He is God in flesh and in a position to satisfy His law requirements.
For the full explanation I believe William Branham lays it out scripturally.
IMO
 
"Therefore just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned" (Romans 5:12).

im looking at the above scripture and so it must be through the male line?

but I thought eve sinned first???

oh dear, im confused☹️
 
Via dolarossa said:
"Therefore just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned" (Romans 5:12).

im looking at the above scripture and so it must be through the male line?

but I thought eve sinned first???

oh dear, im confused☹️
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I lean toward the male line myself. Its interesting to ponder the options.
 
bobinfaith said:
Hello Hopefull;

Please share in detail your thoughts and how this article aligns with Scripture. I'm only asking so when I review the article I'll get a better understanding and can discuss with you.

Thank you, brother, and may God bless you and your family.
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Christ was born without sin. I dont know of any scripture that can be used to describe how it happened. The link offers three theories and there are probably others. I like the idea of option one because if sin was carried, for lack of a better term, by both sexes then Mary would have transferred it to Jesus. Ive heard Jesus was insulated in the womb and maybe its as simple as that. I know less than nothing but find the question as to how very compelling.
 
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Hopefull said:
Found this and thought it would make for an interesting discussion.

https://answersingenesis.org/sin/original-sin/sin-nature-passed-through-fathers-genetic-line/
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Thank you for bringing up this topic, Hopeful. It seems very complicated, and I know very little about it except that sin entered the world when Adam and Eve sinned.

We are now under a curse which is spiritually transmitted, but I don't know whether it can be genetically transmitted as well.

I am eager to learn more about it from you guys.

Blessings.
 
Hello Hopefull,
Hopefull said:
Christ was born without sin. I dont know of any scripture that can be used to describe how it happened. The link offers three theories and there are probably others. I like the idea of option one because if sin was carried, for lack of a better term, by both sexes then Mary would have transferred it to Jesus. Ive heard Jesus was insulated in the womb and maybe its as simple as that. I know less than nothing but find the question as to how very compelling.
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Hello Hopefull;

From what I read I would have to write a long respectful response to Mr. Hodges' article.

Christ was born without sin, could not be born with sin because Mary was conceived by the Holy Spirit, not flesh. The Scripture that supports this is in Matthew 1:18-25, 18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ took place in this way. When his mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found to be with child from the Holy Spirit.

Original sin is indeed in the Bible. God created a perfect world. But when we study Genesis 2:15-16, 15 The Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to work it and keep it. 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “You may surely eat of every tree of the garden, 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”

The sin nature is indeed in the Bible. Adam and Eve disobeyed God and sinned in the flesh, thus the sin nature. We are given a free choice, temptation, rebellion against God. Throughout the Old and New Testaments man and woman have a natural inclination to sin and the same goes today.

The distinction, then, is this. Christ was formed in Mary’s womb by the Holy Spirit, not by the seed of Adam, therefore He did not possess a sin nature.

As far as Jesus being insulated in the womb of Mary? Yes, though she was conceived by the Holy Spirit, Jesus birth was humanic, reference John 1:14, 14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

God bless you, Hopefull, and thank you for sharing Thoughts on original sin and Christ's birth.
 
bobinfaith said:
Hello Hopefull,


Hello Hopefull;

From what I read I would have to write a long respectful response to Mr. Hodges' article.

Christ was born without sin, could not be born with sin because Mary was conceived by the Holy Spirit, not flesh. The Scripture that supports this is in Matthew 1:18-25, 18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ took place in this way. When his mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found to be with child from the Holy Spirit.

Original sin is indeed in the Bible. God created a perfect world. But when we study Genesis 2:15-16, 15 The Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to work it and keep it. 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “You may surely eat of every tree of the garden, 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”

The sin nature is indeed in the Bible. Adam and Eve disobeyed God and sinned in the flesh, thus the sin nature. We are given a free choice, temptation, rebellion against God. Throughout the Old and New Testaments man and woman have a natural inclination to sin and the same goes today.

The distinction, then, is this. Christ was formed in Mary’s womb by the Holy Spirit, not by the seed of Adam, therefore He did not possess a sin nature.

As far as Jesus being insulated in the womb of Mary? Yes, though she was conceived by the Holy Spirit, Jesus birth was humanic, reference John 1:14, 14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

God bless you, Hopefull, and thank you for sharing Thoughts on original sin and Christ's birth.
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Yes there us all kinds of scripture telling it happened. Question is how was Christ born free of sin. Thing is if women carry the sin nature as well as men, something had to occur to protect Christ from it. Being impregnated by the Holy Spirit was enough to insulate Jesus from sin? Perhaps. Perhaps there is more to it.
 
2404 said:
Adam was a spoken word man Jesus the second adam was a spoken word man. Adam entered into the transgression on account of the love for Eve but he was unable to redeem her because he was just a man. Jesus our kinsman redeemer also took on our sin an iniquity but is able to redeem us because He is God in flesh and in a position to satisfy His law requirements.
For the full explanation I believe William Branham lays it out scripturally.
IMO
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He was a heretic though, as denied the Holy trinity, and Jesus is eternally God who assumed human flesh, and Adam mere created human!
 
Hopefull said:
Yes there us all kinds of scripture telling it happened. Question is how was Christ born free of sin. Thing is if women carry the sin nature as well as men, something had to occur to protect Christ from it. Being impregnated by the Holy Spirit was enough to insulate Jesus from sin? Perhaps. Perhaps there is more to it.
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Hello Hopefull,

In my experience of learning the Scriptures I've had to study and re-read what I'm studying. At times throughout the BibIe I discovered that telling what happened equates to how it happened.

Still, this is definitely something for all of us to question and think about, amen? The study of the Bible is a lifetime endeavor.

I always imagine when we get to Heaven our Father is lovingly going to make known so many things that we continuously search for here.

Anyone else?

God bless you, Hopefull and your whole family.
 
bobinfaith said:
Hello Hopefull,

In my experience of learning the Scriptures I've had to study and re-read what I'm studying. At times throughout the BibIe I discovered that telling what happened equates to how it happened.

Still, this is definitely something for all of us to question and think about, amen? The study of the Bible is a lifetime endeavor.

I always imagine when we get to Heaven our Father is lovingly going to make known so many things that we continuously search for here.

Anyone else?

God bless you, Hopefull and your whole family.
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The Virgin Birth did indeed allow Jesus to bypass the effects of the Fall! As He avoided being born with a fallen sin nature
 
YeshuaFan said:
The Virgin Birth did indeed allow Jesus to bypass the effects of the Fall! As He avoided being born with a fallen sin nature
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But how? The post put forth three possibilities and there are more im sure. The RCC has their doctrine but I find it, apoligies to any catholics, a reach and have my own ideas why they put that forth. God gave us what we need to know but not all. I have an inquisitve mind. 😀
 
Hopefull said:
But how? The post put forth three possibilities and there are more im sure. The RCC has their doctrine but I find it, apoligies to any catholics, a reach and have my own ideas why they put that forth. God gave us what we need to know but not all. I have an inquisitve mind. 😀
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The Holy Spirit conceived Jesus in womb of Mary, and he came in from heaven, and having no earthly father, did not inherit the sin nature!
 
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