Exactly. Thats how Christ was born without sin. According to that theory.
Thoughts on original sin and Christs birth
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Okay, I had a look at the first model again. Sin nature is not in our DNA, but is passed on in a non-material way (spiritually). Sounds reasonable to me.
Would you agree with that model?
They all are in the realm of possibility. Just food for thought but I go with the first one I think.
think that regardless of which model accepted, truth still remains that all save Jesus sinned in Adam, and as a result of the fall now have a sin nature at birth!
We all have sin natures is the for sure truth here!
Then you are going to have a real good time with a computer.
"Therefore just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned" (Romans 5:12).
im looking at the above scripture and so it must be through the male line?
but I thought eve sinned first???
oh dear, im confused
Adam was the "FEDERAL HEAD" of the woman. Federal Headship means that the "man"/husband is the one to blame.
And Yes........Eve sinned 1st but Adam was her head so he is the authority figure.
Hello "hopefull!
1st of all, lets ID what “original sin” means. This is a term used to describe the effect of Adam’s sin on his descendants (Rom. 5:12-32). Specifically, it is our inheritance of a sinful nature from Adam. The sinful nature originated with Adam and is passed down from parent to child. We are by nature children of wrath .
So then...what about Mary and Jesus is your question. Why didnt Jesus inherit Mary's sin nature?
I believe that the sin nature is passed down through the father. Let me explain.
Some Bible commentators, with whom I agree, hold the position that the sin nature is passed down through the father. Support for this position is found in the fact that sin entered the world through Adam, not Eve. Remember, Eve was the one who sinned first. However, sin did not enter the world through her. It entered through Adam.
Rom. 5:12 says, ...........
“Therefore, just as through one man (Adam not Eve) sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned.”
Again there comes that Seminary word of Federal Headship. This means that a person (a father) represents his descendants. We see this concept taught in Heb. 7:9-10......
“And, so to speak, through Abraham even Levi, who received tithes, paid tithes, 10 for he was still in the loins of his father when Melchizedek met him.”
So then the short answer is that there is ample biblical support for the idea that the sin nature was passed down through the father. Since Jesus had not a literal, biological father, the sin nature was not passed down to Him. However, since He had a human mother, he was fully human but without original sin. Jesus has two natures: God and man.
Colossians 2:9......“For in Him dwells all the fullness of deity in bodily form.”
Jesus received His human nature from Mary, but He received His divine nature through God the Holy Spirit. Therefore, Jesus is both God and man. He was sinless, had no original sin, and was both fully God and fully man.
It "Original Sin" was indeed passed by Adam to all of us because we all have two human parents. Jesus only had 1 human parent.
I just love how you guys blame yourselves first
you make us women feel so much better
I live to please! When you have been married to the same woman for 53 years.....it becomes natural after awhile!
I also know how you guys prefer a quiet life hehe
That is true. At my age......the less drama the better.
Eve was not created when GOD told Adam he could not eat from the tree of knowledge, Adam told Eve "We cannot eat of the tree..." this is why the devil spoke to Eve and asked "Did GOD say YOU can't eat of the tree?" Adam was kept silent because he didn't really know, he assumed that the law applied to them both but GOD did not specifically say she could not. It was letter of the law vs intent of the law. Eve disobeyed her husband (equal) but Adam disobeyed GOD (superior) thus sin entered through Adam and is passed on to us through him. So Jesus is without sin because he does not have a human father.
Of the three theories in the OP, thats the one I like best. Law vs the intent of the law is a good observation.
Yes!
Yes, for when one throws out the Virgin Birth, as many have done, then we end up with a Messiah born as a sinner like all of us!
That is correct and I agree. If He was a sinner then NO ONE is saved!
Christs baptism cleary shows three being present. The Son being baptised, the Father calling Christ his Son in whom he was pleased and the Holy Spirit decending upon the Son.
2nd Corinthian 5:21 context 18And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; 19To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. 20Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. 21For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.