So what makes you assume that because He had not revealed Himself by that name to Abraham, Isaac, or Jacob, that He had not revealed Himself by that name to anyone else ever? Again the logic just does not follow. Also in Job can you find a place where Job calls Him by that name? No! The name is only used as part of the narrative being re-told later by whoever is doing the telling. No one as far as I know ever claimed Job WROTE the book of Job but apparently Job did not KNOW Elohim by the name YHVH.the HS gave me these verses to give you ..
Then Moses said to God, “Behold, I am going to the sons of Israel, and I will say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you.' Now they may say to me, ‘What is His name?' What shall I say to them?”
and I appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as God Almighty, but by My name LORD, I did not make Myself known to them.
the Hebrew says ..
NOT Lord ..
He said, “Naked I came from my mother’s womb, And naked I shall return there. The LORD gave and the LORD has taken away. Blessed be the name of the LORD.”
the last word written is..
so Job knew God's name .. hence post-Torah !!!
the logic is apparent ..So what makes you assume that because He had not revealed Himself by that name to Abraham, Isaac, or Jacob, that He had not revealed Himself by that name to anyone else ever?
actually satan was there as an accuser to Job ..The Jews themselves consider Job to be allegory.
I find the notion of God and Satan being on chatty terms to be questionable, and that Satan roams freely though
Heaven to be extremely doubtful.
I have to say this. I think we may never come to terms or any agreement on thisPersonally I see no reason to take Job literally.
It paints God as arbitrary and capricious. Job is tormented and his family destroyed on a wager.
Again, I don't see Job as teaching anything of value.
Literalists may fume as they see fit.
Well, he did, no matter how many red "X's" you give me.Job existed sometime between the fourth and sixth generations after Abraham, Moses being the sixth.
Don't put the relationship between God and His enemy human attributes. Satan is a spiritual being---an angel, and he is able to communicate with God in his constant accusations against His people. He is not a heavenly creature, but is confined to earth and its associated 'heavens'. Heaven itself is not geographical, and so a spiritual being can transport himself between both the physical world and the spiritual realm at will.6 One day the angels[a] came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan[b] also came with them. 7 The Lord said to Satan, “Where have you come from?”
Satan answered the Lord, “From roaming throughout the earth, going back and forth on it.”
8 Then the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil.”
9 “Does Job fear God for nothing?” Satan replied. 10 “Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land. 11 But now stretch out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face.”
12 The Lord said to Satan, “Very well, then, everything he has is in your power, but on the man himself do not lay a finger.”
Then Satan went out from the presence of the Lord.
Here they seem on very pleasant terms, chatty even.
That's fair, but I did not say He had made His name YHVH known to Job, you said that passage somehow demonstrates that He did not (which it does not imply). Granted it also does not imply that He did, but we cannot know He did not! Besides "Job" the person, does not refer to Him as YHVH that I can see...but the point was we can not assume wither way and that text does not say either way.the logic is apparent ..
Exo 6:3 and I appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as God Almighty, but by My name Yĕhovah, I did not make Myself known to them.
Exo 6:4 “I also established My covenant with them, to give them the land of Canaan, the land in which they sojourned.
Job 1:21 He said, “Naked I came from my mother’s womb, And naked I shall return there. The LORD gave and the LORD has taken away. Blessed be the name of Yĕhovah.”
those who were CHOSEN by God to establish His chosen people and covenant were not privy, yet some guy named Job is ???
the logic just does not follow ..
the HS gave those verses to me as the answer ..
if you had God ears, you would recognize the truth ..
but Job did know God's name ..That's fair, but I did not say He had made His name YHVH known to Job, you said that passage somehow demonstrates that He did not (which it does not imply)..
Thats good thanks...then He had revealed His name unto Job...maybe Job WAS a contemporary of Moses...some say so...some say he was Johab...but thanks, I should have known that...it is good to learnbut Job did know God's name ..
and God said He did not make it known prior ..
here is the Hebrew in which Job refers to God by the name He revealed to Moses ..
'amar = said,
`arowm = naked
yatsa' = came
'em = mother(s)
beten = womb
`arowm = naked
shuwb = return
sham = there
Yĕhovah = Yĕhovah
nathan = has given to
Yĕhovah = Yĕhovah
laqach = has taken away.
barak = blessed
shem = name
Yĕhovah = Yĕhovah.