RiverJordan
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I'd say if there were billions of demons physically existing on earth, then we should see them every day, everywhere we go. Do you disagree with that?
What Do I Do With My Tarot Cards?
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Would you agree that Legion was a physical embodiment of demons (via possession)?
I was sure to quote outside Revelations as well. Just as I did with proof of them being on earth.
They definitely do not always manifest themselves. But the bible does say "Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unaware" Heb 13:2 Truth is, the bible teaches that angels and by implication fallen angels can transcend both dimensions. If that be the case, we can not say of a certainty that we would see them everyday or everywhere we go.
The scripture seems to indicate also that there are angels and demons for specific purposes. Of the ones the bible records, some spread pestilence " 2 sam 24:16, Some make people deaf and dumb Mark 9:25. Some are possessed by demons while some people are not fully posses like in the case of the demoniac but are influenced like in the case of Peter, see Matt 16:23. In fact, it is my contention that most demon activity takes place in the latter part then in the former. They have no right to possess us out right unless we choose them over God. Another example of the latter in scripture is Luke 9:55.
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Still waiting for your scriptural view.
If any one can show me a video of someone possessed doing something a normal human being couldn't, I will believe possession is possible. The bible may say possession by demons is possible, but it was written at a time when they thought disease was caused by living sinfully. It makes sense they would view mental illness as being caused by demons.
It's probably already been said, but burn those cards - don't sell them. That would be like saying, "well, I know toxic waste is bad for me, so I'll give it to someone else..." no, that toxic waste is bad for everyone; just as tarot cards are bad for everyone, because they aren't of God.
If you want to go anywhere in the Kingdom of God, you will have to establish the Word of God as your final authority. If you don't, you are saying God is a liar. John 1, Jesus IS the WORD of God, the Word was WITH God, the Word WAS God, and the Word BECAME flesh. Later in Revelation He is called the Word of God again. Jesus is the Bible. He said His words would never pass, whereas Earth and Heaven will (and then be reformed). So, you cannot separate Jesus and His Word, they are one and the same.
So when you see God record what Legion did (breaking of chains, etc), God has already informed you it is real. You don't need to see a video showing it to you. If that is your attitude concerning what God says, then expect to get what the Pharisees got; nothing.
The law of sin and death, which you as a Believer have BEEN redeemed from (bought back from), is what opens that door. If you sin, you can give place to the Devil who will gladly come in and start running/ruining your life. Even whether you understand it or not. If someone doesn't understand that a hot pot will burn them if they touch it, will it still burn them? Of course. Words are even more destructive though, because of who has the power of life and death: your tongue. Proverbs 18:21, and from Deut 30:19 we see it is also in the power of the tongue to have blessing or cursing. So, if you want life and blessing, that has to be all you speak. This also blocks the Devil from gaining access to your life. On top of these things, the Devil comes anytime you take a stand on the Word of God, and you must fight the good fight of faith to get the reward (through faith and patience; faith takes it, patience keeps it (remember when Daniel's prayer was heard instantly and instantly the angel was dispatched with the answer for him, but it didn't arrive until 21 days later, because the Devil hindered?)).
At any rate, if you lightly esteem God's Word, then you go very far in or do very much for God's Kingdom. For that matter, how do you even know you're saved and your name written in the Lamb's Book of Life if you don't believe the HOLY Bible?
Jesus is NOT the bible. His words are IN the bible. If you take everything in the bible completely literally, then you are going to have some trouble because mathew, mark, luke, and john contradict each other in many ways. They each tell slightly different stories of how the resurrection took place, to give one example. While the fundamental message in the bible is one of love and redemption, there are some very questionable parts that any one with half a brain would know aren't right. Here are some examples:
Exodus 21:7-11 And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do.
If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a strange nation he shall have no power, seeing he hath dealt deceitfully with her.
-This gives permission for a man to sell his daughter into slavery. Is that ok with you?
Exodus 21:17 And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.
- A child curses at his parents should be put to death. Is that ok with you?
Deuteronomy 22:28-29 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.
- If a virgin is raped, she must marry the rapist (if they are "found"). Is that ok with you?
Romans 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
- Here it recommends you castrate yourself. Have you done this? Doesn't the bible also say to bear as many children as possible?
1 Peter 2:13-14 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;
Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.
-Does this include nazis? Didn't Jesus break a few laws?
1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
-I wonder how many churches follow this one....
James 4:7-10 Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness.
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last but not least:
James 5:14-15 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
- Far too many kids have died because their families refused medical care, choosing only to pray. Don't you see, God gave you a brain and modern medicine for you to use!
There are MANY other things I could put here. I have studied the bible, and I love the bible, but the bible was compiled and edited by men a long time ago. God's word IS perfect, but men can and have corrupted it many times throughout history. This is why you have to use the tools God gave you to figure out which parts are applicable in your life.
Exodus 4:24
Polly, getting rid of the cards was the right thing to do!!! anything dealing with the occult, voodoo, black magic, witchcraft, fortune telling, mediums, spells is against God. you cant be for God if you are doing things against him, just saying. and trying to do spells to make a fictional characters appear, will not work. severus snape is not a real person. he was made up and then alan rickman was cast to play that character. and praying for him will not work either because he is not real. praying for a fictional character is as silly as asking God to make your favorite team win a game...God has bigger things to do. im not trying to be mean or rude just trying to make you see that its not possible either way. please don't make this character your idol... idols are false gods and we are not to worship them or let them take the place of God in our life (spending more time thinking on them than we do God). and don't believe everything you see in the movies, or in books, the internet...it has a way of romanticizing things. i seen someone mention that you are an "indigo child"...have you been to a doctor, or is this something your parents decided?
Also I don't think John 1 was taking about Jesus. And I don't think "The word" refers to the bible. Though this is probably not a popular interpretation of that line, I believe "the word" refers to the creation of the universe. All matter is energy condensed to a slow vibration. That vibration, or frequency, is the foundation of everything in the universe. It is the specific frequency that gives matter its particular structure. Vibration=frequency=sound=the word.
Are you a relatively new Christian, if you are one, as you certainly have a lot of atheist thinking still, the "show me proof or it never happens" and "The Bible is just a book written by uneducated backward people".
YEs lets throw the Bible out as just a book, so we can just ignore the bits we dont like and carry on with our lives how we want to. New Age "Christianity"
How we exist is proberbly more complex than we will ever know, especially when you start looking on spiritual level and dimensions. I know that possession by demons is a reality, if you dont want to believe me, then thats your choice, just as an atheist has the right to reject may statements that GOd is real.
To reject what is written in the Bible is not wise. If there is a record of Jesus and others casting demons out of people, then it must have happened. The aim for atheism is to discredit the Bible, if you can do that, then it pours doubt on everything else written in the Bible, most importantly who Jesus said he was.
How common is demon possession, no idea, could be that people are walking around possessed and not really noticing it. Many diagnoses of mental illness could just be down to demon possession and demons manifesting their own personality.
RiverJordan
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RiverJordan
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Let's take a look....
“But you have come to mount Sion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to the company of many thousands of angels…” Hebrews 12:22
No mention of demons there.
“A swift stream of fire issued forth from before him: thousands of thousands ministered to him, and ten thousand times a hundred thousand stood before him…” Daniel 7:10
Same thing.
“And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the living creatures and the ancients (and the number of them was thousands of thousands)…” Revelation 5:11
And now we're back to that same question you've dodged at least 4 times now. Do you believe that one third of the stars in the universe were swept to the surface of the earth by a dragon's tail?
RiverJordan
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Ah, see what you're doing? "By implication". IOW, you're assuming something.
Fact, demons are fallen angels. Fact, angels manifest themselves as men. Implication, fallen angels have same ability.
The implication was only based on those two points.
Now I will reference where the bible is explicit in this regard.
See 1 Sam 28:11-15, 2 cor 11:12-14.
Here is my thought on this. Demons do not have the same authority as angels do to transform into human beings. I suspect that there are certain conditions that must be met. First, the human must seek to interact with evil angels as in the case of the Witch of Endor, or God simply allows it. In the latter case, I believe Satan will manifest himself to all and this will be one of the chief delusions in the last days.
Take Care,
MoG
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That's fine. I was just quoting those scriptures so we can get an idea that there are billions of angels. Scripture says 1/3 rebelled.
I recall a friend of mine at Bible school saying he had scripture proving that there were in fact 54 000 angels (fallen incl) for each person if the world population was 6 billion. I can't find that scripture though or recall how he calculated it
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Jesus Freak
Previously DanaCovert68
I would get rid of them. Plain and simple. Just dump them if you've not already done so.
I never had a comment for Rev 12:4. It is the first time it has hit me. I googled some commentary on it and I agree with this explanation. It makes perfect sense
.''When John tells us that the devils' tail drew a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to earth, he is describing the original demonic uprising against God.
Satan somehow managed to convince a third of all God's angels to join him in his rebellion; these beings we now call "demons" or "fallen angels." They serve Satan and play an important role in the judgments of the Tribulation.
We see here, also, the woman about to birth, and this is the birth of Jesus the Christ.
Satan used Herod to try to kill Jesus the moment He was born. That was not God's plan, so Jesus was protected until the time of the cross. This also indicates here the birth of the church, which the devil has tried to devour every way he could.''
Just a tip. If you want to study Revelations look up 'th1bill's' threads on it. He went through it in detail.
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