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You and me both!This is an attitude in churches which I hate. Either you believe, what we tell you; or you are not a (true) believer. This is ridiculous!
You and me both!This is an attitude in churches which I hate. Either you believe, what we tell you; or you are not a (true) believer. This is ridiculous!
I value objectivity, data, and accuracy.
Telling them, "If you're a Christian, then you have to reject education, science, and technology" pushes most of them away, needlessly.
Creationist organizations put out the arguments you listed and tell kids they have to believe them or they can't be Christians. Then when those kids go to school and find out they're all ridiculously wrong, they walk away from Christianity because they don't want to be associated with an anti-science movement that's based on falsehoods.
This is an attitude in churches which I hate. Either you believe, what we tell you; or you are not a (true) believer. This is ridiculous!
You and me both!
He said that if you are lukewarm, you will be rejected...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geology_of_the_Grand_Canyon_area
Take a look at the references, and you see, that your Statement about the Grand Canyon is ridiculous and in no connection to the Bible
Without freedom in worshipping cannot be Progress in faith.
?????? Where did I do that?Would you like to share with me where exactly is the objectivity in excluding God as the cause (as the Creator)?
"God did it" is not included in science because the supernatural is not testable. If you disagree, please state a means by which the supernatural can be scientifically tested.And I would like you to also share how exactly do you manage to include God in naturalistic theories? Which by the way means to go against mainstream in the highest degree possible…
I'm talking about Ken Ham and his Answers in Genesis organization, not you.Fortunately, nobody tells them that. Tell me when you’re ready to read what I actually write, instead of what you imagine that I write.
They're ridiculously wrong from a factual perspective. They say things that aren't true, and deliberately distort the work of scientists (see "creationist quote mining" for thousands of examples). I don't care what one's stance on the issues is, such blatant dishonesty is unacceptable.You mean, “they're all ridiculously wrong” from the evolutionary perspective. But that would mean that if evolution is wrong, then those Creationist arguments are actually true, wouldn’t it?
I'm well aware of your mode of black/white thinking.Actually, that’s God’s attitude. Indeed, you either believe what God tells you, or not only you are not a true believer, but you’re actually going to hell.
Believe what you wish; that's not my concern. My concern is over those who associate falsehoods and ignorance with Christianity. The consequences of that are evident in the survey data I linked to earlier.Now that you know the danger for not believing God, could you tell for me the danger for not believing in human theories?
I believe God but I do not believe the God of the fundamentalists.
There is more than one way to follow God and Christ.
Where did I do that?
"God did it" is not included in science because the supernatural is not testable. If you disagree, please state a means by which the supernatural can be scientifically tested.
They're ridiculously wrong from a factual perspective. They say things that aren't true, and deliberately distort the work ofscientists (see "creationist quote mining" for thousands of examples). I don't care what one's stance on the issues is, such blatant dishonesty is unacceptable.
I'm well aware of your mode of black/white thinking.
My concern is over those who associate falsehoods and ignorance with Christianity.
That's not the same as "excluding God as the creator" as you accused me. For example, I can accept volcanoes as an explanation of how mountains are formed, but that doesn't mean I'm "excluding God".When you embraced naturalistic theories about the universe.
You're dodging. Can you give me a way to scientifically test God or not?I think you’re severely confusing “science” with the truth.
No I'm not (I guess this is how you like to operate..."You're wrong" "No I'm not" "Yes you are" "No I'm not").You’re ridiculously wrong from a factual perspective.
???????? Who has ever said any of those guys created the universe?This factual perspective: it’s God who created the universe, not Lyell, Darwin, Lemaitre etcetera.
I realize that believe that not only do you know the mind of God, but that you know it better than anyone else, but I hope you'll understand if I don't believe you.How about God’s mode of black/white thinking, are you aware of that too?
Again, give me a way to scientifically test God. Otherwise, God is outside science's ability to investigate.Wouldn’t you agree that excluding God as explanation (naturalistic theories) is “falsehoods and ignorance”?
If not, how could you claim you believe in God?
In your black/white mode of thinking, apparently everything is a deliberate act of God.
Can you give me a way to scientifically test God or not?
Who has ever said any of those guys created the universe?
I realize that believe that not only do you know the mind of God, but that you know it better than anyone else, but I hope you'll understand if I don't believe you.
So some things do indeed happen all on their own, without God?No, not everything. For example, people not believing in God are not a deliberate act of God. People having so little faith in God and so much faith in other people just like them are also not deliberate acts of God.
You're complaining that science doesn't include God. In order for science to include God, God would have to be testable. If you can't explain how God is scientifically testable, then your complaint is without merit.If by “scientifically test” you mean naturalistic test, you’re running in circles. In a very absurd way.
I already explained how those are bogus calculations.But if maths is enough, I think I already gave that to you: the Bible predictions. Now, can you show me mainstream predictions with a chance of fulfillment of 1 in 10^80?
There it is again....black/white thinking. It is possible to believe the Bible and accept reality, you know.So why exactly would you believe mainstream theories, instead of the Bible?
LOL! You are hilarious. So now I think Darwin created the universe, eh? Wow. o_OYou, each and every day since you embraced their theories. Because if you drop the Bible (the Creator God’s Word) and instead embrace worldly theories, then you obviously credit the authors of those worldly theories more than God.
Yep, everyone who believes differently than you is 100% wrong. It can't be any other way.Oh don’t worry, I understand completely: you apparently think that God is how you claim He is, instead of how He actually is. You seem to forget that a pet god is not god at all.
If you want to find out how God is, read the Bible - not use your imagination. And make sure you don’t skip the Old Testament.
So then, it is required to believe a specific set of things to be saved? Please show me the list of those things clearly mentioned in Scripture, because if they are that important, that we cannot be saved without accepting them, then they must certainly be listed carefully in Scripture.
Do you see my point? If there were such a list, then the Pharisees were right. That's what they wanted. That's what they were looking for. That's what they tried their best to enforce. They thought the list consisted of a very narrow interpretation of the Mosaic Laws. A list of rules is pointless.
In fact, since you pointed out Galatians, take a look at the warning that Galatians issued. Why was it written? Because people thought they needed to enforce a specific list of rules and laws to be saved. Galatians repeatedly teaches that is is the Gospel, Christ Crucified that saves, not adherence to a specific list of laws and rules that are utterly incapable of saving us.
Galatians 2 says "nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified. But if, while seeking to be justified in Christ, we ourselves have also been found sinners, is Christ then a minister of sin? May it never be!"
Where does it say that we must believe in something more that Christ? Show me where it says that if you believe that the Earth is flat, or that Dinosaurs once roamed the planet that you cannot be saved?
Ban,
What do you think it means to 'believe'? Even the Demons tremble my friend. What sets you apart from them...Only one thing- Being born again and having Christ in you. That does not happen by some proclamation of 'believing in Him'. You are a believer when God does a work in your heart and you believe through Him.
Jesus said He is the way- and to 'believe' His gospel is to obey Him.
Jesus said that unless you repent you will perish. Do you 'believe' Him?
Jesus said that only those who do the will of the Father will enter the kingdom of Heaven' Do you 'believe' Him?
Jesus said that you must be born again- Do you 'believe Him'?
Jesus said that any tree that does not produce fruit is withered and cast into the fire...Do you 'believe' Him.
He said He is the author of Eternal Salvation to those who obey Him- Do you 'believe' Him?
He said that the Lukewarm will be rejected- Do you believe Him?
Jesus said wide is the gate and narrow is the way- that few find it- Do you believe Him?
Jesus said In that day many will call Him Lord and He will tell them that He does not know them- Do you believe Him?
Jesus said that a time would come when they would not endure sound doctrine and would fall away- Do you believe Him?
( Paul said it but Paul 'conferred not with flesh and Blood' It came from Jesus)
Those who think that He died for their sins and 'all is well' are in deep trouble.
TC
You're complaining that science doesn't include God. In order for science to include God, God would have to be testable. If you can't explain how God is scientifically testable, then your complaint is without merit.
I already explained how those are bogus calculations.
There it is again....black/white thinking. It is possible to believe the Bible and accept reality, you know.
LOL! You are hilarious. So now I think Darwin created the universe, eh?
Yep, everyone who believes differently than you is 100% wrong. It can't be any other way.
Where does it say that we must believe in something more that Christ?
Show me where it says that if you believe that the Earth is flat, or that Dinosaurs once roamed the planet that you cannot be saved?
I'll just ask again in the hopes that you will make some attempt to understand my point given the context of this topic.
Where does it say that we must believe in something more that Christ? Show me where it says that if you believe that the Earth is flat, or that Dinosaurs once roamed the planet that you cannot be saved?
There's that black/white mode of thinking again. Because I'm not a young-earth creationist and geocentrist, I must therefore be completely excluding God from creation.And I find your statements truly ironic. I mean, for a Christian you certainly go a long way to exclude God from His own Creation…
There it is again. It's either science or God. One or the other, black or white.So there are people like you, who claim “science”, to be precise: naturalistic “science”, and there are people like me, who claim God.
I did both, but you just didn't look. But that seems to be how you approach everything that isn't what you want to hear...you don't look at it.You didn’t. In any amount. Not even the tiniest.
Not only that, but you also didn’t show how the Hindus or the Muslims (or any others) have predictions that even come close to the Bible predictions.
No, your black/white interpretation of the Bible is different from reality.So in your view the Bible is different from reality. Away from reality. Not reality.
There it is again...black/white. Wow.You tell me. Because that’s exactly what you’re doing: taking their word for origins, instead of God’ Word.
Nope. I would LOVE to be the person who demonstrates evolution to be wrong. I'd be the most famous scientist in history and by being a Christian, I would help change the anti-science persona that people like you give to the faith.Isn’t that the very claim you are making? So what could you be possibly talking about?
There's that black/white mode of thinking again. Because I'm not a young-earth creationist and geocentrist, I must therefore be completely excluding God from creation.
Like I said, you exhibit a mode of thinking that I just can't relate to.
There it is again. It's either science or God.
I did both, but you just didn't look. But that seems to be how you approach everything that isn't what you want to hear...you don't look at it.
No, your black/white interpretation of the Bible is different from reality.
There it is again...black/white. Wow.
I would LOVE to be the person who demonstrates evolution to be wrong.
I'd be the most famous scientist in history
would help change the anti-science persona that people like you give to the faith