What do you think was God`s Purpose in making - the Nations, Israel and the Body of Christ?

[BibleLover]

I agree that only because of Jesus can we ever be near God`s holy presence. However, I don`t believe we will `see` God the Father as He is Spirit.

Now, would you agree that the New Jerusalem comes down out of heaven FROM God, so therefore God the Father will still be in the highest heaven?

And the throne that is in the New Jerusalem will be His power and authority, and His dwelling with men will be by His Holy Spirit?

Just a small point, not to be pedantic but tranferring the five human senses into eternity doesn’t make sense because of the limitations imposed upon those senses by the forces of creation. Spiritual perceptions in eternity cannot be understood by us until we die. I can't even speculate about the nature of spiritual perceptions, but they will be far beyond anything our words can express. One thing is certain: we will EXPERIENCE God in a manner we could never dream of now.

 

[Major]

I agree that only because of Jesus can we ever be near God`s holy presence. However, I don`t believe we will `see` God the Father as He is Spirit.

Now, would you agree that the New Jerusalem comes down out of heaven FROM God, so therefore God the Father will still be in the highest heaven?

And the throne that is in the New Jerusalem will be His power and authority, and His dwelling with men will be by His Holy Spirit?

All of those are good questions. I think that by now you know that I am a Bible person and teach it in a literal fashion.

So, will wee see God face to face in heaven is what you are asking.
IMHO and in MY understanding of the Scriptures I say YES.
In Matthew 5:8 God said.......
“Blessed are the pure of heart, for they shall see God.”

The apostle Paul writes in 1 Corth. 13:12..........
“For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face”.

From those Scriptures I am convinced that In heaven, we’ll be in the presence of the Lord, and we’ll see him face to face.

My favorite verse about seeing God is 1 John 3:2.........
“Beloved, we are God’s children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when he appears, we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is.”
Honestly, I do not know how that can be debated.

Then you asked if God the Father would be in New Jerusalem or stay in heaven's highest place?

Again, relying only on the Scriptures in Revelation 21:2 and also vs. 10 I see that New Jerusalem comes down out of heaven from God.
Then in 2 21:3 God tells us that after it descends from heaven “the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God.”

We also understand that there was also no temple in the New Jerusalem city because God and the lamb (Christ) are its temple (21:22).

God’s throne is in the city and his people will see his face in 22:3-4.
The Greek word for “people” is plural “Peoples.” God’s people in the New Jerusalem are multi-ethnic.

 

[Marilyn C]

All of those are good questions. I think that by now you know that I am a Bible person and teach it in a literal fashion.

So, will wee see God face to face in heaven is what you are asking.
IMHO and in MY understanding of the Scriptures I say YES.
In Matthew 5:8 God said.......
“Blessed are the pure of heart, for they shall see God.”

The apostle Paul writes in 1 Corth. 13:12..........
“For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face”.

From those Scriptures I am convinced that In heaven, we’ll be in the presence of the Lord, and we’ll see him face to face.

My favorite verse about seeing God is 1 John 3:2.........
“Beloved, we are God’s children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when he appears, we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is.”
Honestly, I do not know how that can be debated.

Then you asked if God the Father would be in New Jerusalem or stay in heaven's highest place?

Again, relying only on the Scriptures in Revelation 21:2 and also vs. 10 I see that New Jerusalem comes down out of heaven from God.
Then in 2 21:3 God tells us that after it descends from heaven “the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God.”

We also understand that there was also no temple in the New Jerusalem city because God and the lamb (Christ) are its temple (21:22).

God’s throne is in the city and his people will see his face in 22:3-4.
The Greek word for “people” is plural “Peoples.” God’s people in the New Jerusalem are multi-ethnic.

Thank you agaian for explaining your view. Now I have more questions but because we are packing and then travelling, I will have to leave those for another day.

God bless, Marilyn.

 

[Marilyn C]

All of those are good questions. I think that by now you know that I am a Bible person and teach it in a literal fashion.

So, will wee see God face to face in heaven is what you are asking.
IMHO and in MY understanding of the Scriptures I say YES.
In Matthew 5:8 God said.......
“Blessed are the pure of heart, for they shall see God.”

The apostle Paul writes in 1 Corth. 13:12..........
“For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face”.

From those Scriptures I am convinced that In heaven, we’ll be in the presence of the Lord, and we’ll see him face to face.

My favorite verse about seeing God is 1 John 3:2.........
“Beloved, we are God’s children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when he appears, we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is.”
Honestly, I do not know how that can be debated.

Then you asked if God the Father would be in New Jerusalem or stay in heaven's highest place?

Again, relying only on the Scriptures in Revelation 21:2 and also vs. 10 I see that New Jerusalem comes down out of heaven from God.
Then in 2 21:3 God tells us that after it descends from heaven “the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God.”

We also understand that there was also no temple in the New Jerusalem city because God and the lamb (Christ) are its temple (21:22).

God’s throne is in the city and his people will see his face in 22:3-4.
The Greek word for “people” is plural “Peoples.” God’s people in the New Jerusalem are multi-ethnic.

I will ask this though. Yes, literal but in line with all of God`s word.

All the `face to face, and see,` are in reference to the visible glorified Son of God, and NOT the Father for God`s word says -

...who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see, to whom be honor and everlasting power.` (1 Tim. 6: 16)

 

[Marilyn C]

Please don't laugh at me.... I don't know why I think as I do with regards to the THRONE ROOM. Perhaps it has been because of WORSHIPPING in the past.

This is how I see the THRONE ROOM.... Because of JESUS... Christians are able to approach His FATHER
WE enter the Throne Room by our prayers and petitions... .and then by our WORSHIP to GOD.
While on earth.... we cannot see the physical THRONE ROOM of heaven.... but I for one have FELT the PRESENCE of GOD in my WORSHIP.

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Once we are dead... and in spirit form.... I believe we will be able to enter the REAL THRONE ROOM .... however... there will be NO MORE prayer or petition...... only WORSHIP and ADORATION.

Again... I do not know WHY I believe this... and I do stand to be corrected if I'm totally off the moon on this.

The THRONE ROOM is something that I have been so deeply connected to ( even if in my imagination )... I think of WORSHIP a lot... and the THRONE ROOM is where I enter to give PRAISE...THANKSGIVING and ADORATION. It's ALL I have to offer.

That is so well written sister. I also think I will just gaze upon the Lord and worship Him for eternity.