Why Did We See The Industrial Revolution And Technological Revolution In The Last 150 Years?

Could it be that the invention of the Gutenberg printing press and its production of the Bible placed the written Word of God into the hands of ALL normal reading people instead of the priests. All men then had the ability to know the will of God and follow it instead of the directions of men through the church.

That ability lead men to light and out of darkness which is real freedom!

That's an interesting theory. I kind of like it -- the idea of the Gutenberg printing press allowing many Christians to be able to bring in a deeper domestic Church environment into their homes.

Though I will say that Gutenberg didn't create the printing press to separate from Church authority given that he was a devout Catholic who expressed this notion.

Nevertheless, I think that's a great point and for the most part agree with it.
 
Resources and understanding of them have unfolded into our understanding as time went on. The average poor person in western culture anyway is richer than most kings 500 years ago.

We still have our work cut out for us, but I'm just bringing in a thought.
 
That's an interesting theory. I kind of like it -- the idea of the Gutenberg printing press allowing many Christians to be able to bring in a deeper domestic Church environment into their homes.

Though I will say that Gutenberg didn't create the printing press to separate from Church authority given that he was a devout Catholic who expressed this notion.

Nevertheless, I think that's a great point and for the most part agree with it.

Well arn't you sweet! Thanks for the kind words and believe me when I say, It is only my opinion. I really have no clue.

It just seems that when we look at the dark ages, one of the things that kind of stand out is the fact the printing press was invented and from it came the production of the Bible which was placed into the hands of the common man.

For all I know it could have been the Ford motor company that did it!
 
May I be allowed to throw a curve ball for the purpose of exploration, and not for the purpose to diminish your statement or position?

Why would a representative democracy protect inalienable rights any better than a direct democracy if you had the same bill of rights restricting government with negative-liberties? My question is highly loaded yet it offers food for thought.

Also is Natural Rights Theory just for the Lockean persuaded Christian?
A direct democracy tends to allow the majority to take advantage of the minority. The old illustration, admittedly absurd but makes the point, of a group of people, 60% male and 40% female. The male majority may vote that rape is legal, too bad so sad for the minority. Yes, a bill of rights may stop that, if a court would uphold that, but then judges could be impeached in some manner, by direct vote?
One could devise a government based on direct democracy, but it would be erratic at best, having decisions and laws passed on the whim of the people without much forethought and heavily influenced by the media.

Great question, because we would all like quick action to be taken on issues we deem obvious at the time.
 
Is it possible that technology is an innovative bi-product of economic liberty?

Is it possible that Christ challenged the ethical position of unjust law that prohibits economic liberty, and He being a sacrificial catalyst caused this principle to spread all over Europe and now the world?

Is it possible that economic despotism loses its momentum through time when more nations gain understanding of the principles of individual liberty?

Is it possible that the principles of individual liberty are still maturing and have not been ethically achieved in any society, but came close in the U.S in its beginning?
All great questions. This reads like a beginning of a thesis. I expect everyone to have theirs ready by the end of the semester.:D:ROFLMAO:
 
Well arn't you sweet! Thanks for the kind words and believe me when I say, It is only my opinion. I really have no clue.

It just seems that when we look at the dark ages, one of the things that kind of stand out is the fact the printing press was invented and from it came the production of the Bible which was placed into the hands of the common man.

For all I know it could have been the Ford motor company that did it!

The printing press was definitely a milestone for the common man. Granted, most people were struggling with literacy, but it was also due to the printing press that the common man could begin his way into literacy.

It could be. Ford was very innovative -- he is quoted as stating that he could create an auto at a much cheaper price and more efficiently, and he did.

The era I think of when I think of the common man entering into a more well-lived life (regarding a more material well-being) is around the Roaring 20s right after America went through a horrible depression (see the Forgotten Depression of 1920). At this time, that's when Americans were buying their first cars, their first refrigerators, their first radios, and their first phones.
 
The printing press was definitely a milestone for the common man. Granted, most people were struggling with literacy, but it was also due to the printing press that the common man could begin his way into literacy.

It could be. Ford was very innovative -- he is quoted as stating that he could create an auto at a much cheaper price and more efficiently, and he did.

The era I think of when I think of the common man entering into a more well-lived life (regarding a more material well-being) is around the Roaring 20s right after America went through a horrible depression (see the Forgotten Depression of 1920). At this time, that's when Americans were buying their first cars, their first refrigerators, their first radios, and their first phones.

Ahhhh, but it was WW2 that brought the USA out of the econimic mess of the Depression. Men went to war, and woment went to work and the result was a better economy.
 
That's an interesting theory. I kind of like it -- the idea of the Gutenberg printing press allowing many Christians to be able to bring in a deeper domestic Church environment into their homes.

Though I will say that Gutenberg didn't create the printing press to separate from Church authority given that he was a devout Catholic who expressed this notion.

Nevertheless, I think that's a great point and for the most part agree with it.

And it was not Gutenberg that invented it.

The Chinese invented it long before he was a glint in his father's eye.
 
Ahhhh, but it was WW2 that brought the USA out of the econimic mess of the Depression. Men went to war, and woment went to work and the result was a better economy.

Haha, that is often the subject of much discussion amongst me and my Keynesian friends. Most hold the Keynesian perspective I think. Though I have to admit, I'm not one of them. One of the reasons I tend to think more Austrian is because of the 1920-1921 depression before the 1930s depression.
 
A direct democracy tends to allow the majority to take advantage of the minority. The old illustration, admittedly absurd but makes the point, of a group of people, 60% male and 40% female. The male majority may vote that rape is legal, too bad so sad for the minority. Yes, a bill of rights may stop that, if a court would uphold that, but then judges could be impeached in some manner, by direct vote?
One could devise a government based on direct democracy, but it would be erratic at best, having decisions and laws passed on the whim of the people without much forethought and heavily influenced by the media.

Great question, because we would all like quick action to be taken on issues we deem obvious at the time.

Direct democracy is only effective when there are less than a dozen people and it usually involves who will be eaten first while at sea.
 
The printing press was definitely a milestone for the common man. Granted, most people were struggling with literacy, but it was also due to the printing press that the common man could begin his way into literacy.

It could be. Ford was very innovative -- he is quoted as stating that he could create an auto at a much cheaper price and more efficiently, and he did.

The era I think of when I think of the common man entering into a more well-lived life (regarding a more material well-being) is around the Roaring 20s right after America went through a horrible depression (see the Forgotten Depression of 1920). At this time, that's when Americans were buying their first cars, their first refrigerators, their first radios, and their first phones.

The touchstone was more significant.
 
So Gutenburg did not invent the Gutenburg printing press?? That is what Dave said isn't it Larry???

I am convinced that Mr. Lucas never reads what he types.

Lucas isn't insane for saying this because for the most part he's right. I don't remember when exactly the Chinese began mass printing (1100 or so...maybe earlier). Though Gutenberg is credited for modernizing and inventing a more stable, clearer, and simpler means of printing. But it's true that the first book he printed was the Bible...I think the Mazarine Bible...I think.
 
"Dave Lucas, post: I apologise but this is by far the biggest example of fallacious logic I have seen in many years.

This is pure west-centric propaganda.

The reason we had these revolutions is because of science, not Chrisendom.

Science that had been collected since ancient times, passed from China through the Silk Route and Spice Routes. Science that had been preserved by the Muslims that would have been lost if it had been left up to those in The West. It was contact through the Crusades that gave us so many of the inventions that would lead to the Renaissance. From there people began to think outside of only what the Roman Catholic church taught them. Exactly why didn't China and Persia and Babylonia have this explosion of invention and technology, then?

The use of Indian letters and Arab numbers lead to double book accounting and modern business. The merchant class became more abundant and people could break the cycle of serfdom. Yes, Thomas Edison, Henry Ford, Ben Franklin, etc., could not have invented anything without double book accounting.:confused:

More knowledge led to the overthrow of monarchies. People traveled thanks to better navigation and shipping. Rails came based on the demands of a growing consumer economy. Ideals long forgotten of freedom, democratic processes and republics took over. New advances in science allowed us to see our world, the heavens and medicine in ways we never had before. The question is why did this all happen in a relatively short period of recent history? There was electricity in 1,000 B.C., but it wasn't until the 1600's that theories developed. Even that is only 400 years ago. China had thousands of years to work on it.

These things led to where we are now.

And the real power behind it all, was the desire to control and to attain wealth.

Material things. Worldly things. Flesh things. Yes, mankind is motivated by selfish endeavors. That is why Paul warns believers to not use your freedom in Christ as an excuse for selfish desires.

Not anything to do with The King and his ways.

It was because of man's desires to dominate a world that is not his. To control a life that was already defiled. To worship Mammon unceasingly.

The Industrial and Technological revolutions are the direct response of man's will. And it has led to some of the most impressive and most heinous things we have ever seen on this planet. It cannot only be man's will. Otherwise man would have attained this knowledge sooner, even before Christ.

If Jesus had anything to do with it, there would have been NO heinous things that came from it. Because a good tree does not produce bad fruit. Any good idea can be corrupted for uses not intended by the creator. The Crusades and the Inquisition were both bastardizations of winning converts. Atomic energy can be used to create electricity or destroy entire cities. The Pharisees took God's good law and used it to control others and elevate themselves. Adam was given a perfect garden and misused it and sinned.
The question is why this knowledge was not gained before Christ's time, and why freedom was the catalyst, and why this concept of freedom was born of the Christian faith.
 
Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
Dan 12:3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

The advancement of "knowledge" on the planet earth is a sign of the end of times just before the coming of the Lord for His Church. The ability to proclaim the Gospel to the world without leaving our homes could never have been dreamed of centuries ago, yet here we are living in the last days just before His coming. What could be more exciting than that? As the world is becoming more wicked, and darkness is prevailing, God's truth is shining even more brightly than ever before. The Bible and it prophesies have been unsealed to us His Church.
 
So Gutenburg did not invent the Gutenburg printing press?? That is what Dave said isn't it Larry???

I am convinced that Mr. Lucas never reads what he types.

Haha, I must have also not read what was written. Gutenberg did indeed invent the Gutenberg printing press. :p
 
Currency was also important. Bartering and trading for everything is exhausting. Not to mention the US government wants their piece of the action.
 
Currency was also important. Bartering and trading for everything is exhausting. Not to mention the US government wants their piece of the action.
Not for me as I just "click" one time on ebay, and a couple days later it shows up in my mail box. Now thats shopping! Free shipping, and no taxes.
 
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