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Why Do Most Pastors Avoid Politics?
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Thats terrible you need to change the system.
A 3 way system tends to be better and more stable. In NZ we had FPP - first past the post. Basically winner takes all. But we ditched it and changed to MMP which means mixed member proportional. With MMP they have to form coalitions to have power. So there is a bit more diversity, though you must get over the 5% threshold to gain a seat in parliament.
There are two votes, one for the candidate and one for the party. You don't have to vote for the same party as your candidate, you can cast one vote, or even not vote.
In local body elections the same peeps tend to get voted in each time on the boards, though there are way too many to vote for who we don't know and nobody seems to care, with only about 35% voter turnout! Plus you have to rank them which ones you want in - way too confusing.
In communist countries of course they avoid all this - there's just the one party lol. No confusion. So democracy isn't all its cracked up to be if all you are doing every single time is voting left vs right like a boxing match or ranking them like on record sales charts. Whatever!
My proposal is that everyone gets to be a politician for 3 years like you do jury service. Maybe picked out at random by lot. And also children can get a say. Cos why not?
Or you could just have a royal family who think they can rule just because they have handed down their lineage forever and live in a big palace...
Didn't Jesus talk to a young, rich ruler?
He was probably a politician, but he probably didn't like hearing that he had to sell everything he had and give to the poor.
A lot of people don't like giving to the poor. They think they are beneath them, and I notice this attitude quite frequently among the rich.
He was probably a politician, but he probably didn't like hearing that he had to sell everything he had and give to the poor.
A lot of people don't like giving to the poor. They think they are beneath them, and I notice this attitude quite frequently among the rich.
In the US, a major change like you suggest would require a new constitution, not just an amendment. Article 1 would have to be completely deleted and rewritten. Since amendments or any other major constitutional changes require approval by 37 of the 50 state legislatures, difficulty would be an understatement because major changes are seldom acceptable to the majority of the population.
oh well you stuck with it then. Too bad.
Maybe change countries and emigrate if you don't like your govt? Thats what most people do rather than fight it or be miserable and complain about it.
I'm not whining. I'm disgusted and don't participate in politics or civic life. I just mind my own business.
I've lived in Europe for 11 years in Greece and Germany and traveled in most of the other countries. Despite it's tendency toward heathenism, no country on earth allows more personal liberty. The major problem right now in the country is the liberal leftists' attempts to curtail personal liberty in favor of an intrusive state that forces compliance and conformity to liberal left wing dictates.
are you talking about Greece and Germany?
so confused. Why would liberty enforce liberality. Liberal by definition means 'free'!
Anyway didn't the right wing ALREADY curtail personal liberty for the slaves for YEARS in the US, even after emancipation? And force compliance. So it just seems pot calling kettle black here.
Selma? Birmingham?
It doesn't seem like they are forcing anything. People are free to live their lives isn't that the American Dream, but its obviously short of reality for many. If you don't like something you can just move to ANOTHER state, there's no border restrictions within the US. And people did, like 'sundown' towns, or the mormons did and set up in Utah cos they felt they were being 'persecuted' so they decided they wanted to practice their polygamous religion there without govt intervention.
Anyway, I think France allowed a lot of liberty (that's where you got the statue of liberty from) and a lot of things the French turn a blind eye to. Dogs can eat at restaurants in Paris for example. People strike a lot there too as it's their right to strike whenever they don't like what their govt does.
In NZ I am quite free to be myself, I don't think in the US I could I'd just be labelled an alien. So have never considered ditching my country for the US or anywhere else, not even Australia. And I've never complied to any one party. The parties change all the time anyway so its not likely one will stay in power for too long, seeing as they seem quite opposed to each other. I think there are good and bad points in each of them.
I don't have a business, but I suppose if I wanted to run a business selling balloons or whatever, I wouldn't care who bought them as long as they got sold. I would sell them to all parties. And if one party banned balloons then I'd just figure out something else to sell or move my business somewhere else. Right? Nothing to complain about. I wouldn't want to do things that were illegal, that's not right. But if I did and ended up in jail maybe it would be my fault, but if I truly wanted to sell balloons with all my heart maybe it would be worth the risk. So why be disgusted about the govt? They can't think for me.
I don't have a business, but I suppose if I wanted to run a business selling balloons or whatever, I wouldn't care who bought them as long as they got sold. I would sell them to all parties. And if one party banned balloons then I'd just figure out something else to sell or move my business somewhere else. Right? Nothing to complain about. I wouldn't want to do things that were illegal, that's not right. But if I did and ended up in jail maybe it would be my fault, but if I truly wanted to sell balloons with all my heart maybe it would be worth the risk. So why be disgusted about the govt? They can't think for me.
Its called New Zealand, but you have to be out of earshot from the Brits, who complain and whinge like nobody's business.
I overheard in the staffroom a lot of British teachers complaining about their long haul flights and how long it took to get to NZ from the UK. Well duh of course! We are on the other side of the world. What do they expect?!
Well I for one am praying for your leaders and country. No wonder the bible says we should.
And if it’s any condolences, our country is also suffering at the hands of division also.
And if it’s any condolences, our country is also suffering at the hands of division also.
My church can’t recruit new members because it’s such a tiny village full of holiday makers. And my pastor has said he would like new younger members.
Can you image that today? Would a cool pastor win people back to life?
Praying now for not just any old pastors but some cool pastors to hit the scene and scoop up the younger generation to see some kind of sense
Can you image that today? Would a cool pastor win people back to life?
Praying now for not just any old pastors but some cool pastors to hit the scene and scoop up the younger generation to see some kind of sense
I'm sorry about your confusion. It would benefit you somewhat to take a trip to the US and see it first hand rather than relying on unreliable hearsay.
BTW: In the US liberalism is synonymous with socialism and communism because it operates on the radical left end of the political spectrum.
Liberal politics calls itself "progressive" though it fails to define in concrete terms what the specific objectives the progressiveness intends to achieve. Leftists are just envious people who want to receive things without working for them; it's easier for them to make laws to steal from others who have more.
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Exodus 20:13.........
"Thou shalt not kill."
The literal Hebrew here is "MURDER".
Let me be clear, then. Abortion for ANY reason is murder in the eyes of God.
It is a horrible crime and can NEVER be justified, regardless of the circumstances.
Real facts state that 98% of abortions are simply due to the woman not wanting the child!
I never steered clear of it in any way! I attacked it as SIN and any sin can be forgiven.
I hear you.
I actually did not want to believe this not so long ago.
In my country, we have people who are persuaded not to work. This as you know is a sad reality. How are we to persuade those who have been already persuaded not to work? This has been on my mind recently.
Gone are the days when children were actually inspired by what they saw.
Gone also are the days whereby people see hard work pays off.
I have been feeling a pull to my childhood regarding this lately. When we were kids and played innocently, what were we inspired by? what made us fall in love? sometimes we forget and are distracted by our calling.... which is sad.
really
I've been to the US, I just see people who try and work for a living but some people can't work because they are sick or can't get jobs for some other reason, or they are very low paid on minimal wage and can't afford to work all hours of the day just to keep a roof over their head. So they live in vans. I think it depends on where you live in the US what kinds of jobs there are. I am sure in the past some people could only find work as slave labourers as thats the way the economy was and there was no education. Also you had to pay for that education, it wasn't free. So if you didn't have any capital to begin with you couldn't get an education and therefore couldn't find a better job that paid well.
The free education system you have now is little better as people don't seem to learn anything from it, as graduating from high school seems to gains you nothing. You've lost all that time you could have spend working and earning money from age 13. You are far better off ditching school and hustling for a living, or training in a sport and getting sponsored, or entering a talent show.
why don't they work?
I don't understand. I thought only retired people and those who were sick/disabled could not work.
It's always been that you had to work for a living. Even mothers work, its housework. Unpaid, but its still WORK.
Even intellectually disabled people find fulfillment in work making things or doing something constructive. Who wants to just live life feeling useless all the time.
The bad thing is when the govt cuts jobs. My job was cut but it doesn't mean there is no work to do. There is HEAPS of work. The govt just can't afford to pay people to do it...I find that very strange and bizarre.
The bad thing is when the govt cuts jobs. My job was cut but it doesn't mean there is no work to do. There is HEAPS of work. The govt just can't afford to pay people to do it...I find that very strange and bizarre.
Government pays them more to stay at home. The pays their rent and county taxes and the benefit they get on social security benefits pays more in the long run than it does if you have a minimum wage job
