Well luckily for all of us no one is forcing anyone to leave comments (that I know of). I posted this thread just to get people thinking about our society's shift towards secularism and changing attitudes towards our religion.
Why We Are Losing
- Thread starter Mike Flanaganmenstein
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Well luckily for all of us no one is forcing anyone to leave comments (that I know of). I posted this thread just to get people thinking about our society's shift towards secularism and changing attitudes towards our religion.
Huntingteckel
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That's what trolls intend to do. Cause confusion and upset others. Think of the exact opposite of what a Christian should be and that's a troll.
Huntingteckel
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Suuuuure
Glomung
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If I remember right the OP had something to do with why people tend to be driting en masse towards raging secularism.
IMNSHO the reasons are several.
1. the modern relatively affluent lifestyle leads to complacency, in the past suffering and death were very present and regular issues that needed to be dealt with emotionally - faith in a higher being fit the bill nicely
now that most Western folks have no real needs, they have no real need for a god
2. modern thinking is rather shallow and delights in the absurdly simple and easily proveable,
faith is not easy and is not suited to the intellectually lazy
3. the powers that be do not want a unified and moral populace that would oppose their rule,
so they do everything within their power to keep the masses bickering amongst themselves over trivia and
as immoral as possible, an immoral and stupid people are ever so much easier to manage
IMNSHO the reasons are several.
1. the modern relatively affluent lifestyle leads to complacency, in the past suffering and death were very present and regular issues that needed to be dealt with emotionally - faith in a higher being fit the bill nicely
now that most Western folks have no real needs, they have no real need for a god
2. modern thinking is rather shallow and delights in the absurdly simple and easily proveable,
faith is not easy and is not suited to the intellectually lazy
3. the powers that be do not want a unified and moral populace that would oppose their rule,
so they do everything within their power to keep the masses bickering amongst themselves over trivia and
as immoral as possible, an immoral and stupid people are ever so much easier to manage
You always mention troll, what is that? Or are you just Christianly name calling?
PeaceLikeaRiver
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Another perspective: Some, and I want to stress that it's ONLY some Christians, put a very ugly and unpalatable face on the Christian faith. It can come across self-righteous, and it can seem judgemental, and non-inclusive to women, homosexuals and other minorities. It could stand to be a lot more like Jesus actually was.
Jesus preached a message of fairness, justice and all inclusiveness! Great point!
Interesting points but,
Do you mean complacency to infanticide? (in my opinion some people may suffer from this)
God/Jesus are easily provable through faith which by your definition if something is easily proveable it is absurdly simple, which God is most certainly not!
When you say powers that be do you mean the President? Congress, which branch of government are you referring to? (assuming you live in a democratic country)
That's fair. And I think a worthy thing to think about.
Then there are Liberals who seem judgemental and non-inclusive to white males and to people with moral standards.
Good point, there is close mindedness on both sides of the aside!
PeaceLikeaRiver
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What sort of moral standards, stoning gay people to death? Bombing abortion clinics? Not a code of morals I want any part of, thanks.
I think you will find that the majority of people from most backgrounds do accept war. Motives (eg. offensive or defensive) and tactics (some might say war crimes) are more commonly questioned.
My own take on your "why we are loosing" I think comes to 2 things:
1. Science. I'm not getting into where it might be right or wrong or whether one can be both scientist and Christian here. I'm just making the observation that I think a growing number of people believe science holds every answer to everything and that to those people, God becomes a superstition and or an irrelevance. Short of being able to work miracles, I'm not sure what we do.
2. Ourselves. People do observe a disparity between many of us and the biblical Jesus. To use your theme of war, can you reconcile the US use of Agent Orange in Vietnam with caring about babies? I can't myself but have known American Fundamentalists who seem to view the US as moral compass of the world, with babies reduced to "collateral damage" while getting hysterical over abortion (not that abortion in most cases - I do have doubts where the mother's welfare is concerned - is something I agree with).
To continue with the USA, what are her greatest exports? Some may argue they have done more to spread the gospel than anyone else but I'd suggest that the products of Hollywood and multinational brands like Coca-Cola and McDonalds are far more recognisable than Christ is. If you were God would you really be happy with "having made America great?"
(Don't get me wrong on one thing BTW. I don't exactly see our own British Empire days as being pretty. It's just we become more of an irrelevance rather than a power).
Too many of us are good at being whitened sepulchres. We know how to paint a white outside (and believe me, I'm not all whiteness inside). We may be able to single out certain things and take substitution actions such as only listening to Christian (® ™) music and how to get offended on behalf of God when a couple (2?) subjects are raised to re-enforce our own holiness but how many of us (including me) fail on loving thy neighbour and avoiding hypocrisy?
Great points! But be careful when you make them. People on this site will threaten you and say that you have a fake account in order to try and discredit you like they did to me! Be careful friend! Thanks for sharing, God bless