Quite honestly, I've never been able to discern what your position is and I would like to know. At one time you denied that someone can lose his salvation but then you said you opposed OSAS. I don't understand that that sounds, at first blush, contradictory to me and I would like to know how you put those two things together. That would be interesting to me. You say eternal life is NOT a present possession then you say you agree with I John 5:13 "effectively," whatever that means. I don't know whether I agree or disagree with you because I can't discern what you believe. I have no desire to "correct" your understanding but I would truly would like to understand it myself.
Believe it or not, Stan, five point Calvinists also believe in "Whosoever will...." That is really not the crux of the Calvinistic/Arminian conflict.
Well that is not from my lack of posting. If you refuse to see what I show then who's problem is that?
OSAS has NOTHING to do with losing salvation, but that is another thread so please don't try to get us off track on this issue.
I suggest if you lack clarity you go back and read the OSAS thread, CAREFULLY. This thread is about SOVEREIGN ELECTION.
The crux is that neither seem to be able to read and understand the Bible for themselves. I don't follow man-made doctrines and I don't know how many times I have to tell you this.
IF you want to talk about a flower or a star then start your own thread. I would be more than happy to participate.