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Are gentile christians spared the Great tribulation as described in revelation? Im not sure, but all of us at some point DO go through tribulation to enter the kingdom.

No, ALL of us will suffer tribulation in this earthly life BECAUSE we are Kingdom people. Yes, we ALL will be spared the Great Tribulation which is not for us, but for the unbelieving world.

We are spared from Gods wrath, which will be on unbelievers. But I suppose he would be more angry at those who heard and refused to believe rather than those who hadnt really heard in the first place.
God's wrath is poured out on all sinners, and I do not believe His wrath can be measured as more or less for anyone. The penalty is the same regardless---if one is not covered int he blood of the Lamb, he is deemed unrighteous, period.

This is the chosen ones, the circumcised living in the holy land.

Please explain this odd statement.
 
Recall how in the holocaust those that took the mark..star of david, were marked out for death and couldnt buy or sell. Obviously they hadnt read or known about the book of revelation. If they had, they would never had taken it because they would have been christians and not identified themselves as jews.

Please. Let's not start rewriting history. Jews under Hitler's regime had no CHOICE.
 
Hi brother
why not elaborate little bit with quotation some scriptures Of course I agreed with all of your wonderful explanation of what will be taking place
 
? you referring to me? I am sister, not brother...
Well book of Revelation you can read for yourself. Remember at time was written christians undergoing severe persecution.
You can read about the trees and the healing of nations in Ezekiel, it is a prophetic book.
 
Christian all experience testing and tribulation as a matter of course in this earthly life, but we will NOT experience the Great Tribulation that Jesus speaks of here:

Matthew 24:21 (AMP)
For then there will be great tribulation (affliction, distress, and oppression) such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now—no, and never will be [again].
Hi dear Sister Euphemia, to me you are right in saying no Christians will experience the second half of the great tribulation which Matthew chapter twenty-four is referring to, but there is only one group made up of the twenty-four elders & the four beasts present with Jesus when the Lord's Day begins we see at its inception which is at the beginning of the seven years of tribulation. This is immediately after these things of Rev 4:1. . . . Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

That time is also know as the "Temptation to come upon all the world" we read of in Rev 3:10. What of the remainder of the church that comes out of great tribulation in Rev 7:14? Notice that these are seen standing before the throne, and that means they have been caught up to heaven out of the tribulation according to Rev 7:9.
 
Hi dear Sister Euphemia, to me you are right in saying no Christians will experience the second half of the great tribulation which Matthew chapter twenty-four is referring to, but there is only one group made up of the twenty-four elders & the four beasts present with Jesus when the Lord's Day begins we see at its inception which is at the beginning of the seven years of tribulation, which is immediately after these things of Rev 4:1. . . . Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

That time is also know as the "Temptation to come upon all the world" we read of in Rev 3:10. What of the remainder of the church that comes out of great tribulation in Rev 7:14? Notice that these are seen standing before the throne, and that means they have been caught up to heaven out of the tribulation according to Rev 7:9.

I believe that there will be people who will come out of the Tribulation, both alive and dead having received Christ during that time. The bulk of these people, IMHO, will be out of Israel, whom God will have been focusing His attention on, by the ministry of the two witnesses and the 144,000.
 
I believe that there will be people who will come out of the Tribulation, both alive and dead having received Christ during that time. The bulk of these people, IMHO, will be out of Israel, whom God will have been focusing His attention on, by the ministry of the two witnesses and the 144,000.
I think you're aware that of any group entering heaven via the "Being caught up" will be relevant to the order presented in 1 Thes 4:16,17. The dead first and then those alive at our Lord's coming for them.

1 Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1 Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
 
I think you're aware that of any group entering heaven via the "Being caught up" will be relevant to the order presented in 1 Thes 4:16,17. The dead first and then those alive at our Lord's coming for them.

1 Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1 Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Absolutely!
 
What of the remainder of the church that comes out of great tribulation in Rev 7:14? Notice that these are seen standing before the throne, and that means they have been caught up to heaven out of the tribulation according to Rev 7:9.

I just noticed your use of the word, "church", but those who will come out of the great Tribulation with faith will not be a part of the Church or the Bride of Christ, but will not be denied all the rights and privileges that comes with being a citizen of the great Kingdom of God.

Revelation 7:17
For the Lamb on the throne
will be their Shepherd.
He will lead them to springs of life-giving water.
And God will wipe every tear from their eyes.”
 
Absolutely!
Great! That also pertains to the great multitude of Revelation chapter seven. The dead first and then those who remain alive when Jesus comes for them. 1 Thes 4:16-17.
Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

Notice one additional thing about the great multitude, and that is the reward they have.
Rev 7:9 . . . palms in their hands;
Compare this with the bride of Revelation chapter four having crowns of gold such as those in Rev 4:4.
If you go to Rev 2:10 and Rev 3:10 we find only two of the seven churches having crowns, and that is Smyrna which is told: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. These represent the dead which shall rise first.

And the there is the Church in Philadelphia. Rev 3:11 . . . hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. And back one verse in Rev 3:10 Philadelphia is promised to be kept from even the first three and one-half years of tribulation for having patiently keeping the word of God. Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

And my precious sister, I don't mind anyone disagreeing with me. God bless you in Jesus' name.
 
Great! That also pertains to the great multitude of Revelation chapter seven. The dead first and then those who remain alive when Jesus comes for them. 1 Thes 4:16-17.
Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

Notice one additional thing about the great multitude, and that is the reward they have.
Rev 7:9 . . . palms in their hands;
Compare this with the bride of Revelation chapter four having crowns of gold such as those in Rev 4:4.
If you go to Rev 2:10 and Rev 3:10 we find only two of the seven churches having crowns, and that is Smyrna which is told: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. These represent the dead which shall rise first.

And the there is the Church in Philadelphia. Rev 3:11 . . . hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. And back one verse in Rev 3:10 Philadelphia is promised to be kept from even the first three and one-half years of tribulation for having patiently keeping the word of God. Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

And my precious sister, I don't mind anyone disagreeing with me. God bless you in Jesus' name.

I'm not sure we disagree, yet! Are you disagreeing in some way that I am missing?
 
I just noticed your use of the word, "church", but those who will come out of the great Tribulation with faith will not be a part of the Church or the Bride of Christ, but will not be denied all the rights and privileges that comes with being a citizen of the great Kingdom of God.
Rev 7:14 These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Sister Euphemia, you don't get to be any more the body of Christ than that. We are talking CHURCH big time. :)
 
Rev 7:14 These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Sister Euphemia, you don't get to be any more the body of Christ than that. We are talking CHURCH big time. :)

Being in with Jesus is what salvation is all about, but the Church/Bride comes out of the world before Tribulation and enjoys the wedding. Those who come out of the Tribulation are not part of the Church/Bride, but are the guests present at the Wedding Supper. They have a notable presence among us all, having witnessed and suffered at the hand of the Antichrist regime for the sake of Jesus Christ.
 
Being in with Jesus is what salvation is all about, but the Church/Bride comes out of the world before Tribulation and enjoys the wedding. Those who come out of the Tribulation are not part of the Church/Bride, but are the guests present at the Wedding Supper. They have a notable presence among us all, having witnessed and suffered at the hand of the Antichrist regime for the sake of Jesus Christ.
You are right, but all the Church is not the bride. Notice the result of not being ready to be caught up with the first rank of the resurrection.
Rev 7:15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.

They not only entered tribulation, they are servants, and they also didn't have the place of reigning with Christ as kings and priests as those of Rev 5:10. (The bride sings) And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. (Actually reigning over the earth in heaven)

Rev 7:15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
 
You are right, but all the Church is not the bride. Notice the result of not being ready to be caught up with the first rank of the resurrection.
Rev 7:15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.

They not only entered tribulation, they are servants, and they also didn't have the place of reigning with Christ as kings and priests as those of Rev 5:10. (The bride sings) And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. (Actually reigning over the earth in heaven)

Rev 7:15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.

Yes, the Church of Jesus Christ comes out of the Church Age...and she is the Bride, and none shall enter the Tribulation, but will be caught away by the Bridegroom before the time of Jacob's Trouble.
 
The bride is the heavenly holy city Jerusalem is it not? We are the guests and we going to worship there.

Revelation 21:2
 
The bride is the heavenly holy city Jerusalem is it not? We are the guests and we going to worship there.

Revelation 21:2
Sister Lanolin, maybe the following scripture will help. Notice here that Jesus is speaking of those of the Philadelphia being these special overcomers that will become pillars; they don't become the city, but bear the name of that city.

Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. The bride of Christ is not the city, but in the city and will never go out.

Another mention of this heavenly is in:
Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

Blessings in Christ Jesus.
 
The bride is the heavenly holy city Jerusalem is it not? We are the guests and we going to worship there.

Revelation 21:2

No, the City of God is likened to a bride because we, the Bride, will live there. Period.

Revelation 21:2
And I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven like a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.

Revelation 21:9-10
Then one of the seven angels who held the seven bowls containing the seven last plagues came and said to me, “Come with me! I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.”

10 So he took me in the Spirit to a great, high mountain, and he showed me the holy city, Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God. 11 It shone with the glory of God and sparkled like a precious stone—like jasper as clear as crystal.
 
I believe that there will be people who will come out of the Tribulation, both alive and dead having received Christ during that time. The bulk of these people, IMHO, will be out of Israel, whom God will have been focusing His attention on, by the ministry of the two witnesses and the 144,000.

I agree on both comments.

It is clear that many will be saved and go through the Tribulation because we see in Rev. 20 the war of Gog & Magog.
 
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