The enemy gets in

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Cturtle said:
Actually if you think about all that you said... Jonah's sin(disobedience/rebellion) brought judgement on him. He opened the door to the god of this world (the devil) to bring the storm to try to destroy him, God's grace and His desire for His plan to be carried out...brought the fish to protect him.... Just like job opened the door for the enemy to get in to destroy all he had.

According to the verse in James you referenced, and all we can gather from the Bible regarding God's character... It's not in His character to send destruction to teach us anything for God is love. 2 Timothy 3:16 says God teaches us through His Word. We bring hardships and make things more difficult because of not walking by Father's commands, and by the words we speak. The devil is looking for reasons to bring destruction and he knows that if we release ungodly words (the Bible calls words that dont line up with His Words evil), because he is a legalist... he's got us in the trap that he has set for us.

With all that said... I agree with you that we should be asking God what can I learn through this, and how can I get stronger in your ways through this... what can i change to keep this crom happening again. The devil has created an atmosphere that lot of people take responsibility for their own actions and behavior... And in some ways it started with the church as a doctrine of nothing is our fault because God is in full control of everything... which is incorrect, and the enemy's purpose to bring destruction
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Yes, Jonah brought it on himself. My point is that he did that by himself. The calamities were not sent to him by the enemy, but from the sovereign God, whom he disobeyed.
Even there, God's purpose was to bring Jonah back into God's fellowship and service.

That was an expression of Love.
 
Siloam said:
Yes, Jonah brought it on himself. My point is that he did that by himself. The calamities were not sent to him by the enemy, but from the sovereign God, whom he disobeyed.
Even there, God's purpose was to bring Jonah back into God's fellowship and service.

That was an expression of Love.
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Question:
Where did the thinking come from that led to Jonahs disobedience?
Blessings
 
Fish Catcher Jim said:
The thread is about how the enemy gets in.
Another words has the "legal right"

Blessings
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So, at first reflection, I would say that one could say because Eve was deceived (or, allowed herself to be deceived for the sake of the forbidden fruit), or the other alternative is that Adam, who was not deceived, but transgressed in spite of his fore-knowledge.
 
Right ive been thinking ( don’t larf) I’ve got some juicy ones...
So for me( it’s sin confession time folks lol)
1 adultery/ emotional affairs/ lust
2 rejection
3 abandonment( well, perceived abandonment anyway)
4 bitterness And unforgiveness

So far so good. I had to work out what a legal right was haha
 
So as to how the enemy gained standing to draw us away: Romans 5 comes to mind:

Romans 5:12-21
Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned— for until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a  type of Him who was to come.​
But the free gift is not like the transgression. For if by the transgression of the one the many died, much more did the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abound to the many. The gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned; for on the one hand the judgment arose from one transgression resulting in condemnation, but on the other hand the free gift arose from many transgressions resulting in justification. For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.​
So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men. For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.   The Law came in so that the transgression would increase; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more, so that, as sin reigned in death, even so grace would reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.​
 
Via dolarossa said:
Right ive been thinking ( don’t larf) I’ve got some juicy ones...
So for me( it’s sin confession time folks lol)
1 adultery/ emotional affairs/ lust
2 rejection
3 abandonment( well, perceived abandonment anyway)
4 bitterness And unforgiveness

So far so good. I had to work out what a legal right was haha
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Definitely a good place to start... to figure out what's a lie from the enemy and then work on kicking it out of your thoughts... meaning not allowing it to haunt you or affect your emotions. Cuz we have the Father... Who will never leave us nor forsake us...
 
I have been out sick and now back at work and busy, but wanted to mention UNFORGIVENESS. The enemy can get in by unforgiveness. Unforgiveness can take us from one issue to another and create a snowball affect so to speak. someone may have already mentioned this. I apologize if i am late to the party.... lol
 
How does the enemy get in, well I would say through our ears if we listen to his lies.
If we listen to the truth i.e Jesus then we will follow what he says there is less opportunity for the enemy to tell us a bunch of lies. Sometimes you have to literally shut the door on the enemy. Jesus is the door.

Dont let the enemy gain a foothold...what happened with the israelites before they left egypt and the plagues were upon them but if they placed the blood of the lamb over the doorposts of their home the angel of death would pass them by or passover. This is a picture spiritually what happens if we apply Jesus blood to our lives. The enemy will just pass us over. Maybe he thinks we already dead and dont have fresh meat or something.

So in Jesus blood there is protection. The angel of death had legal right to enter all the homes that didnt have the blood on their doorposts. And they all perished.

I hope I am not too far off the mark with this but nobody else had mentioned it yet.
 
Gospel Lover 1953 said:
Nobody can say “ Jesus is Lord” without the Holy Spirit residing in them. If you can say that and mean it chances are YOU have devoured HIM! That indwelling Spirit is greater than he who is in the world and God keeps him on a short leash.
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Forgot to mention..... God can hand over a Believer to Satan for discipline in extreme cases of disobedience....but God is behind the scenes,in control, calling the shots and ultimately it is for the benefit of the one being chastised in this way. Better this temporary punishment than an eternal one. God chastises those He loves.Just like I sometimes punish my daughter.....she don’t like it, she doesn’t always understand it..... it it’s for her own good!
 
Gospel Lover 1953 said:
Forgot to mention..... God can hand over a Believer to Satan for discipline in extreme cases of disobedience....but God is behind the scenes,in control, calling the shots and ultimately it is for the benefit of the one being chastised in this way. Better this temporary punishment than an eternal one. God chastises those He loves.Just like I sometimes punish my daughter.....she don’t like it, she doesn’t always understand it..... it it’s for her own good!
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God does not use satan to discipline us.
If thats not what you were saying then please forgive my misunderstanding.
 
Fish Catcher Jim said:
God does not use satan to discipline us.
If thats not what you were saying then please forgive my misunderstanding.
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Remember the guy from the Corinthian church that had relations with his step mother? 1cor5:5......” hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh,so that his spirit may be saved......” that’s what I was referring to.God bless
 
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