Conversation With An Atheist

Lanolin said:
regarding Darwinism. I see in most books of natural history they have his erroneous worldview embedded in the useless 'facts' thrown around willy nilly where they state with no evidence whatsover that this or that species was billions of years old (and the billions of years varies from book to book) that I usually just chuck them as out of date when I see that in my non-fiction collection. Or books that imply when we lived in trees and started walking on two legs...um.. what is is a Rudyard Kipling fairy tale? LOL

If it s confusing to me it's confusing to children and adults. It only makes sense to the scientists who tries to convince themselves its true.
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I posted for them quite a number of quotes from their own leading evolutionists admitting that the fossil record has failed to show any progression steps within evolutionary processes, and they retain their faith in evolution as fact to this very day. So, evolutionists mostly hold to evolution because the only alternative is God. Their hatred of God is tangible.

MM
 
haha you know how fossils are made right?
By a big massive flood that quickly buries bones so they can fossilise whole before being eaten or rotting away.
And when was this big massive flood? Well we have written evidence in the Bible for it and also in other people's ancient histories....
 
crossnote said:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

It's either God or Chance, and since Chance has no causal power, they resort to billions of years.
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You're absolutely correct. The problem is that chance and time combined still aren't powerful enough forces capable of inputting the necessary data to build complex forms. It simply can't happen, no matter how much time and chance there may be.

MM
 
Folks, let's go another step forward:

Atheists, when demanding scientific proof, or any proof utilizing the rules for science, are demanding what clearly is impossible. They're demanding evidence on a level that's a no-win for the follower of Christ Jesus.

Why?

Simply stated, they're demanding proof on a level to which God is not subject, nor detectable, measurable, quantifiable, nor observable, just like Dark Matter (which is actually the power of Christ Jesus holding all things together).

God is not subject to the laws of nature and physical laws. He created them because He is above and outside them. Meanwhile, those who claim to believe in science demand the use of what is incapable of going beyond the constraints of our physical, governing laws to prove the existence of He who is outside and beyond the constraints of science and what they call "natural laws."

This is why I told our atheists friends that they don't even understand how irrational they're being when making such demands. I invited them to launch out into a journey of discovery by allowing God to reveal Himself to them, on His terms and on His turf. Their unwillingness to do that showed quite clearly that they really weren't interested in such a journey, which pointed amply to the fact that they hate God, and fear such an encounter.

The atheist may as well hand a pickle to a cave man, and demand of him that he use it to measure the speed of light AND the size of the black hole at the center of our galaxy.

MM
 
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Ha they don't think the Bible is evidence itself? Dead sea scrolls anyone?
It's not like story that was made up in the 19th century and thus everyone had been fooled prior. (mormons, looking at you).
 
Please do not misunderstand me. I do not want to argue in favor for atheists. But I think you both misunderstand the whole concept of atheism. I say this because I was a convinced atheist myself and because I am completely surrounded by atheists in my job. And I know atheism. The problem with the atheistic materialistic world view is that it is in fact reasonable. Yes, it is. That is the power of it. It is not an, in principle, easily identifyable stupid deception. It is logical (yes it is), self-consistent and closed.
I believe in Jesus and I am glad that I may belong to Him, but also that He showed me the misconceptions and problems of atheism. These problems are not that what you mention. Sorry to write that. I do not write that to lecture you. I write that so that you do not make the mistake to misunderstand atheism and be sure that is stupid and idiotic. As I wrote before, it is an enemy which you should not underestimate.
 
alxb0521 said:
Please do not misunderstand me. I do not want to argue in favor for atheists. But I think you both misunderstand the whole concept of atheism. I say this because I was a convinced atheist myself and because I am completely surrounded by atheists in my job. And I know atheism. The problem with the atheistic materialistic world view is that it is in fact reasonable. Yes, it is. That is the power of it. It is not an, in principle, easily identifyable stupid deception. It is logical (yes it is), self-consistent and closed.
I believe in Jesus and I am glad that I may belong to Him, but also that He showed me the misconceptions and problems of atheism. These problems are not that what you mention. Sorry to write that. I do not write that to lecture you. I write that so that you do not make the mistake to misunderstand atheism and be sure that is stupid and idiotic. As I wrote before, it is an enemy which you should not underestimate.
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It is with appreciate that I welcome your understanding and experience with atheism, and please understand that I too am well acquainted with some of them, because not all atheists are of the same stripe as to why they believe as they do. I don't paint them all with the broad brush strokes of their being logical and rationalistic in all things.

As you likely know, they are very prone to bias, irrationality and emotional appeals in their argumentations. They, like many, perpetrate logical fallacies to try and defend their positions. I proved that with the two I talked about earlier, who completely ignored the direct quotes from some of their own top scientists they admire, and it was water on a duck's back. I challenged them to observe those quotes in context, and to no avail.

I spent considerable reading time to grapple with their explanations as to why they believed what they harbored as their worldview, and responded accordingly. Neither is your garden variety atheist. They both were very closely aligned in their thinking, therefore my dealing with them on a similar basis; not because I thought they are very much like all others.

What are your thoughts about these to in particular?

MM
 
alxb0521 said:
Please do not misunderstand me. I do not want to argue in favor for atheists. But I think you both misunderstand the whole concept of atheism. I say this because I was a convinced atheist myself and because I am completely surrounded by atheists in my job. And I know atheism. The problem with the atheistic materialistic world view is that it is in fact reasonable. Yes, it is. That is the power of it. It is not an, in principle, easily identifyable stupid deception. It is logical (yes it is), self-consistent and closed.
I believe in Jesus and I am glad that I may belong to Him, but also that He showed me the misconceptions and problems of atheism. These problems are not that what you mention. Sorry to write that. I do not write that to lecture you. I write that so that you do not make the mistake to misunderstand atheism and be sure that is stupid and idiotic. As I wrote before, it is an enemy which you should not underestimate.
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Growing up under atheism myself, I would say instead of them being logical, they are great at worming their way out and discrediting those who show them their false logic. God also, doesn't have a very high estimation of an atheist either, here is His twice given declaration ...

Psalm 14:1 (KJV) To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

Psalm 53:1 (KJV) To the chief Musician upon Mahalath, Maschil, A Psalm of David. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Some will say 'the above is not speaking of an atheist because the above fool is saying it in his heart but atheists say it in their head'. I don't buy that, for out of the heart the mouth speaks.

Others will claim a true atheist won't make such 'god' statements. This may be true, as their hatred for God is an admittance in and of itself.
 
Musicmaster said:
I posted for them quite a number of quotes from their own leading evolutionists admitting that the fossil record has failed to show any progression steps within evolutionary processes, and they retain their faith in evolution as fact to this very day. So, evolutionists mostly hold to evolution because the only alternative is God. Their hatred of God is tangible.

MM
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There is no compromise.

It is either God created YOU or YOU are here by a cosmic mistake.
 
Musicmaster said:
It is with appreciate that I welcome your understanding and experience with atheism, and please understand that I too am well acquainted with some of them, because not all atheists are of the same stripe as to why they believe as they do. I don't paint them all with the broad brush strokes of their being logical and rationalistic in all things.

As you likely know, they are very prone to bias, irrationality and emotional appeals in their argumentations. They, like many, perpetrate logical fallacies to try and defend their positions. I proved that with the two I talked about earlier, who completely ignored the direct quotes from some of their own top scientists they admire, and it was water on a duck's back. I challenged them to observe those quotes in context, and to no avail.

I spent considerable reading time to grapple with their explanations as to why they believed what they harbored as their worldview, and responded accordingly. Neither is your garden variety atheist. They both were very closely aligned in their thinking, therefore my dealing with them on a similar basis; not because I thought they are very much like all others.

What are your thoughts about these to in particular?

MM
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I agree. And here is another issue: atheism has a very broad spectrum of different people and an enormously broad spectrum of various degrees of "involvement". The majority of atheists just heard some stupid TV channel or read one book or were told one comment by someone and ... they become atheists. And they just repeat their believes like a tape (or MP3 player). Then there are many atheists who reject God because of something their experienced. They are not convinced atheists, but just God-rejecters and then atheism is just a welcome world view for them. But then there are persons, who are involved in the philosophical foundations of atheism. And believe it or not, these foundatations are very hard to argue with. And exactly that is the reason for the "success story" of atheism over the past 150 years or so.
Again I would like to stress, I do NOT argue in favor of atheism. I am a Christian. I believe that God created everything. The only thing I want to stress is that we should be careful not argue incorrectly.
 
crossnote said:
Growing up under atheism myself, I would say instead of them being logical, they are great at worming their way out and discrediting those who show them their false logic. God also, doesn't have a very high estimation of an atheist either, here is His twice given declaration ...

Psalm 14:1 (KJV) To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

Psalm 53:1 (KJV) To the chief Musician upon Mahalath, Maschil, A Psalm of David. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Some will say 'the above is not speaking of an atheist because the above fool is saying it in his heart but atheists say it in their head'. I don't buy that, for out of the heart the mouth speaks.

Others will claim a true atheist won't make such 'god' statements. This may be true, as their hatred for God is an admittance in and of itself.
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I can confirm that. In every discussion with atheists which I had, they behave like... yes, exactly, like worms... trying to "evade" every reasonable discussion and just want to stay in their world view. And if everything fails, they insult you.

crossnote, I know what God thinks about atheism. May be my posts created a misunderstanding? I do not argue in favor of atheism. Atheism is a clever and and probably most powerful deception and lie which Satan generated. The fruits of this lie are evident over the past 150 years and more is to come (in my opinion).
 
Major said:
There is no compromise.

It is either God created YOU or YOU are here by a cosmic mistake.
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I do not understand.

I believe that God created everything, me, you and everything which exists. Probably my post was misunderstandable. I do not understand why stressing that atheism is not a silly little freak view which one can ignore, but that it is a very powerful and very dangerous religion, why stressing that means that I believe it?
I do not believe in atheism or evolution. I believe in Jesus.

Or may be I misunderstood your post. I would like to clarify that Major, please.
 
alxb0521 said:
I can confirm that. In every discussion with atheists which I had, they behave like... yes, exactly, like worms... trying to "evade" every reasonable discussion and just want to stay in their world view. And if everything fails, they insult you.

crossnote, I know what God thinks about atheism. May be my posts created a misunderstanding? I do not argue in favor of atheism. Atheism is a clever and and probably most powerful deception and lie which Satan generated. The fruits of this lie are evident over the past 150 years and more is to come (in my opinion).
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Yes, atheism, evolution and humanism/(communism) make up a nifty 666 trio.
 
The athiests I encountered tend to be vociferous about their atheism or incredulous or just not interested.

For example, my mum has said several times 'when I die, that's the end'. And she's just not interested in discussing it. So even if I try to bring up any topic, like ok if you die, what do I do for your funeral. How do you want it? She doesn't want to talk about it. Ignore it and it goes away according to her.
 
alxb0521 said:
I do not understand.

I believe that God created everything, me, you and everything which exists. Probably my post was misunderstandable. I do not understand why stressing that atheism is not a silly little freak view which one can ignore, but that it is a very powerful and very dangerous religion, why stressing that means that I believe it?
I do not believe in atheism or evolution. I believe in Jesus.

Or may be I misunderstood your post. I would like to clarify that Major, please.
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I did not mean "you" as a person. Humanity I guess would have been a better word there.

So then....Man, Humanity in general has accepted the theory Evolution as the explanation of why we are what we are simply because they (humanity) will not accept the God creates ALL things.

Does that help your understanding???
 
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