I believe factory farming needs to go!

Via dolarossa

Via dolarossa

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I have been reading about the life of factory animals. and how they are treated, and how the waste is causing sickness and pollution on the planet.
and even though I have turned my diet around full swing to vegetarian, ( I don't think eating animals is a problem) but I do think factory farming is.

unless we find a way to stop polluting the earth and rivers with the waste and sickening the animals by feeding them sick animals( another case of BSE has been found on a UK farm this week) https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-58602051.amp
and apparently scientists believe we could have a factory farm pandemic.

what does the bible say>?

we have dominion over the animals, yes, but not to cause them unessessary suffering.
we are to be stewards of the earth.

I don't think there are way too many mouths to feed, or even that we are running out of resources( although if you think about all the water that needs to be pumped into factory animal welfare then yes, there probably is a water shortage.

could we all be vegans and have done with it.? or go back to healthy animal husbandry and be able to amply feed the world?
 
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Not sure about all the OT sacrifices...

King Solomon offered a sacrifice of twenty-two thousand cattle and one hundred twenty thousand sheep and goats. In this manner the king and all the people dedicated God’s temple. (2Ch 7:5)

for King Hezekiah of Judah contributed one thousand bulls and seven thousand sheep for the congregation. Also, the officials contributed one thousand bulls and ten thousand sheep for the congregation, and many priests consecrated themselves. (2Ch 30:24)
 
I don't think we can go back to family farms anymore. There are just too many people now for family farms to sustain the demand for meat. I also do not believe that we should all be vegetarians or vegans. You need supplements when being either one. If a diet requires supplements, that is not a natural diet for someone.

I know I could never be a vegetarian or vegan. I have an issue with some textures. This is why I don't eat fruit at all and only limited vegetables.
 
Via dolarossa said:
I have been reading about the life of factory animals. and how they are treated, and how the waste is causing sickness and pollution on the planet.
and even though I have turned my diet around full swing to vegetarian, ( I don't think eating animals is a problem) but I do think factory farming is.

unless we find a way to stop polluting the earth and rivers with the waste and sickening the animals by feeding them sick animals( another case of BSE has been found on a UK farm this week) https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-58602051.amp
and apparently scientists believe we could have a factory farm pandemic.

what does the bible say>?

we have dominion over the animals, yes, but not to cause them unessessary suffering.
we are to be stewards of the earth.

I don't think there are way too many mouths to feed, or even that we are running out of resources( although if you think about all the water that needs to be pumped into factory animal welfare then yes, there probably is a water shortage.

could we all be vegans and have done with it.? or go back to healthy animal husbandry and be able to amply feed the world?
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Via...........there is just not enough family owned farms to produce the animals needed to sustain the needs of the population.

I do not know all that much about factory farming, but I do know about family farming. We may "see" things we do not like today but that is only because some people are placing their flash lights on it. IF they did the same thing on how some family farms operated it would think the very same thing.

I do know that the factory farming uses modern technology to promote faster growth and reduce illness and death rates in livestock, creating food products on a mass scale. It increases food production. Large-scale industrial farms have an advantage over traditional farms when it comes to producing food fast and in larger amounts.

Meat that was produced on farms many years ago had no idea what anti-biotics were and if there was any problem with the animals, they were butchered immediately instead of being cured.
 
Healthy animal husbandry is possible (regenerative farming practices, permaculture, sustainability) but some farmers are stuck with the agribusiness model, plus it is heavily subsidised.

Here there has always been a fight to get supermarkets to NOT stock battery farmed eggs, and factory farmed pork.

You might see chickens labelled free range, while lamb and beef are grass fed in NZ. Unless you go fishing yourself, salmon may come from a farm, otherwise most other fish is caught in huge drift nets in the sea.

The Bible does have laws regarding animal husbandry. In one of the ten commandments, it says for the sabbath, that no CATTLE shall work. The cattle need rest too. But factory farms insist that production is 24/7.
 
crossnote said:
Not sure about all the OT sacrifices...

King Solomon offered a sacrifice of twenty-two thousand cattle and one hundred twenty thousand sheep and goats. In this manner the king and all the people dedicated God’s temple. (2Ch 7:5)

for King Hezekiah of Judah contributed one thousand bulls and seven thousand sheep for the congregation. Also, the officials contributed one thousand bulls and ten thousand sheep for the congregation, and many priests consecrated themselves. (2Ch 30:24)
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naomanos said:
I don't think we can go back to family farms anymore. There are just too many people now for family farms to sustain the demand for meat. I also do not believe that we should all be vegetarians or vegans. You need supplements when being either one. If a diet requires supplements, that is not a natural diet for someone.

I know I could never be a vegetarian or vegan. I have an issue with some textures. This is why I don't eat fruit at all and only limited vegetables.
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Hello crossnote;

It is interesting that you mention thousands of animals sacrificed in this topic. This is much different as it was obedient worship of our God. I believe as a result of these many worship sacrifices in the Old Testament, God's blessings are still abundant today.

Hello, Naomanos;

Yes, we are sustained with family farms in the United States. We have a surplus of food every year. We export more than we import and unfortunately so much food goes to waste.

I don't know much about factory farming, regardless, the USDA, which oversees food production laws, regulates animal food production and slaughter industries is the best.

Our food is safe, whether it's meat, veggies, fruit and nuts. I'll eat and enjoy all that God provides.

Praise God! We have so much food to distribute to the hungry in the US as well as providing food in countries on all four corners of the earth.
 
bobinfaith said:
Hello crossnote;

It is interesting that you mention thousands of animals sacrificed in this topic. This is much different as it was obedient worship of our God. I believe as a result of these many worship sacrifices in the Old Testament, God's blessings are still abundant today.
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Bob, I was sort of thinking in terms of God's attitude toward the slaughter of animals. It seemed to meet His approval as functioning as a type of the One sacrifice to come, even though sins were not cleansed, only covered.
 
crossnote said:
Bob, I was sort of thinking in terms of God's attitude toward the slaughter of animals. It seemed to meet His approval as functioning as a type of the One sacrifice to come, even though sins were not cleansed, only covered.
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crossnote;

I agree and thought it is interesting how you brought that angle up in this topic.

I don't know much about factory farming so in my thought is this a way of covering, but not replacing family farms?

And if I eat from factory farming chicken can I tell the difference from other chicken besides KFC and Popeyes?
 
bobinfaith said:
crossnote;

I agree and thought it is interesting how you brought that angle up in this topic.

I don't know much about factory farming so in my thought is this a way of covering, but not replacing family farms?

And if I eat from factory farming chicken can I tell the difference from other chicken besides KFC and Popeyes?
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No more than you could tell fish from the lake and those raised in a pond!
 
Lanolin said:
Healthy animal husbandry is possible (regenerative farming practices, permaculture, sustainability) but some farmers are stuck with the agribusiness model, plus it is heavily subsidised.

Here there has always been a fight to get supermarkets to NOT stock battery farmed eggs, and factory farmed pork.

You might see chickens labelled free range, while lamb and beef are grass fed in NZ. Unless you go fishing yourself, salmon may come from a farm, otherwise most other fish is caught in huge drift nets in the sea.

The Bible does have laws regarding animal husbandry. In one of the ten commandments, it says for the sabbath, that no CATTLE shall work. The cattle need rest too. But factory farms insist that production is 24/7.
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The Law of God to the Jews did NOT have anything whatsoever to do with the rest or killing of animals to eat.

"Free-range" is a term that refers to a method of animal husbandry where animals are able to roam freely outdoors rather than being confined by an enclosure for 24 hours a day. The USDA says "free-range" or "free-roaming" chicken must be "allowed access to the outside,".......but that can be interpreted in many different ways. IT does not mean that those animals just roam around all day in the wild.

Good thing we do not live by the Jewish Law then!
 
Via dolarossa said:
I have been reading about the life of factory animals. and how they are treated, and how the waste is causing sickness and pollution on the planet.
and even though I have turned my diet around full swing to vegetarian, ( I don't think eating animals is a problem) but I do think factory farming is.

unless we find a way to stop polluting the earth and rivers with the waste and sickening the animals by feeding them sick animals( another case of BSE has been found on a UK farm this week) https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-58602051.amp
and apparently scientists believe we could have a factory farm pandemic.

what does the bible say>?

we have dominion over the animals, yes, but not to cause them unessessary suffering.
we are to be stewards of the earth.

I don't think there are way too many mouths to feed, or even that we are running out of resources( although if you think about all the water that needs to be pumped into factory animal welfare then yes, there probably is a water shortage.

could we all be vegans and have done with it.? or go back to healthy animal husbandry and be able to amply feed the world?
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Hi Via dolarossa

You have raised an interesting and important topic.

A few years ago I watched a video of how cruelly animals are being treated in some farms and it really disturbed me. I have been a vegetarian for over 5 years and seen a lot of health benefits. I do not believe that we need meat and I have read health books written by doctors and also read articles online to confirm this.

Also another thing that Christians should consider is that God did not originally give us meat to eat. Adam and Eve were told to eat fruits and vegetables (Genesis 1:29 and Genesis 3:18)

God only mentioned the eating of animals to Noah when the flood came. Which made sense since they were in the ark for a long time and could not grow fruits and vegetables inside the boat. So eating meat was a practical alternative.
 
Faith First said:
God only mentioned the eating of animals to Noah when the flood came. Which made sense since they were in the ark for a long time and could not grow fruits and vegetables inside the boat. So eating meat was a practical alternative.
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Actually, God gave Noah and his family meat to eat after the waters subsided and they were off the Ark.

Genesis 9: 2,3

The fear and dread of you shall rest on every animal of the earth, and on every bird of the air, on everything that creeps on the ground, and on all the fish of the sea; into your hand they are delivered. Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you; and just as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything.
 
Romans 14:1-3 NKJV
[1] Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things. [2] For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables. [3] Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him.
 
Major said:
No more than you could tell fish from the lake and those raised in a pond!
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I try very hard not to know more than I need to know, in this particular area. To me, it's magic that just shows up in the supermarket all ready to go.

The wife and I eat mostly chicken and turkey (pretty much turkey everything: Turkey bacon, turkey burgers, turkey chili, turkey meatballs, etc) . Now, we just got back from a week in Memphis. They are all about the beef there. Granted my sister-in-law manages one of the best steak houses in Memphis (https://www.folksfolly.com/), but they eat beef almost daily. we ate more beef last weak than we usually do in a month.

Rtm
 
Via dolarossa said:
I have been reading about the life of factory animals. and how they are treated, and how the waste is causing sickness and pollution on the planet.
and even though I have turned my diet around full swing to vegetarian, ( I don't think eating animals is a problem) but I do think factory farming is.

unless we find a way to stop polluting the earth and rivers with the waste and sickening the animals by feeding them sick animals( another case of BSE has been found on a UK farm this week) https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-58602051.amp
and apparently scientists believe we could have a factory farm pandemic.

what does the bible say>?

we have dominion over the animals, yes, but not to cause them unessessary suffering.
we are to be stewards of the earth.

I don't think there are way too many mouths to feed, or even that we are running out of resources( although if you think about all the water that needs to be pumped into factory animal welfare then yes, there probably is a water shortage.

could we all be vegans and have done with it.? or go back to healthy animal husbandry and be able to amply feed the world?
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Great, Thanks to you, I did so reading on this and it realty is depressing (https://thehumaneleague.org/article/factory-farm-to-table-the-truth-behind-cheap-meat-eggs-and-dairy)

However, I think we have gone too far too turn it around: "over 90 percent of all farmed animals live on factory farms, while in the United States that figure rises to 99 percent."

We just got back from a short vacation, so there is not much in the "ice box." We do have some eggs, so I guess you are telling me it's actually a lie and they don't love their chickens???

:(

happy eggs.JPG
 
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