I believe factory farming needs to go!

Enjoyed the read so I'd like to be part of it.
As has been said that God gave man dominion over the earth, but due to the fall death and destruction are inevitable. That is why Christianity is an individual affair because we ain't going to change the course of events. The best we can do is use good sense and behave responsibly. I don't believe that whether we choose eat meat or not is the issue for scripture say to give thanks for what ever we receive.
I believe that the natural types the spiritual. In the natural GMO is common place, contaminating the food chain, for God said let every seed bring forth of its kind.
Have you noticed how our herbology is generally made up of weeds - things that man hasn't tampered with? But as has been said 'we ain't going to change this world' so we are in it but not part of it.
 
If you have a small section you can keep a couple of chickens for eggs, and maybe a goat, and a vege patch.

If larger you can have more --but even if you don't have any land you can grow things in containers.
Like humans animals need space though and having them caged up and confined ALL the time is really not good for them.

Working in a factory can be steady, but it can also be BORING.
 
Lanolin said:
but even if you don't have any land you can grow things in containers.
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Sure, for some people maybe. I live in an apartment. My screened balcony gets only a couple of hours of direct sunlight a day. It's not conducive to growing vegetables. I tried and it didn't work for me as it didn't get enough sun.
 
naomanos said:
No, no they can't.

Can family farms raise over 34 million cattle every year for slaughter?
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half our meat is not purchased in the states .the American farmers combined together can supply yes. problem is the regulations and the markets dont pay enough .yet retail is outrageous . the American farmer has been pushed out of the way.by big Corps . it takes money to make money the average farmer takes a beating on profits . tractors are expensive parts are high.in some cases no longer in stock. cattle farmers need good fields with good moisture . try add all that up as a family farmer . then watch BIG CORP FARM they have tax breaks lawyers with plenty cash flow
 
forgiven61 said:
half our meat is not purchased in the states .the American farmers combined together can supply yes. problem is the regulations and the markets dont pay enough .yet retail is outrageous . the American farmer has been pushed out of the way.by big Corps . it takes money to make money the average farmer takes a beating on profits . tractors are expensive parts are high.in some cases no longer in stock. cattle farmers need good fields with good moisture . try add all that up as a family farmer . then watch BIG CORP FARM they have tax breaks lawyers with plenty cash flow
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I stand by my statement, as I am sure you will stand by yours.
 
Major said:
Change!

Change is neither good nor bad. It is inevitable.

I am old enough to remember that a trip to the store was an all day even in a wagon pulled by a mule.
Today it is a 5 minute trip in a car and that car has air conditioning.

Farming has changed. Families have changed. Talking about what used to be and what we want it to be will never make change happen.
We all must adapt to what is the reality that surrounds us or we sit and complain and become depressed.

IF.....IF you are willing to pay for "Organic" farming"....good for you.

That means when eggs are $10.00 a dozen you will not complain.
When ground beef is $10.00 a pound you will smile and be happy.
When a loaf of bread is $10.00 a loaf you will buy two and be glad to do it.

THAT my dear will be the reality of going back to "Traditional organic" farming which means a LOT of people living right now on the edge will go hungry.
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I used to eat organic because I thought it was better for the environment.
but the reality is, organic farming will not feed the world. and veganism uses more energy than animals!
great to hear new farming methods are much more cleaner and efficient, and I have just realised foreign water companies that buy our utilities do poison our waterways, because, well, they pay very little for the clean up, and the fines are nothing compared to their profits.


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You need a big loan to pay for all the fancy equipment -tractors, harvesters, fencing etc and some banks aren't willing to lend to farmers, or the smaller ones cos they are banking on ROI, just like any business except with farming you rely on weather and crops depend on it.
If you grazing it's a bit more stable BUT your need quite a bit of land for that. Because you need to constantly rotate your stock so they don't eat everything.

There's also fertilizer and seed, but the govt does subsidise chemical fert (very bad for the soil in the long run) and monsanto and them make farmers buy seed every year instead of saving it from their crops, which means the farmers are always in debt to outside suppliers.

Personally I think if your body can handle less meat it can be healthy for people to change to a more plant based diet, maybe just have it a few times a week instead of every single day, and also eat fish or hunt. But for some it's not possible. Beans and pulses can make up protein though.

If you can afford fresh and organic, the food is MUCH better for you though.
 
Lanolin said:
If you have a small section you can keep a couple of chickens for eggs, and maybe a goat, and a vege patch.

If larger you can have more --but even if you don't have any land you can grow things in containers.
Like humans animals need space though and having them caged up and confined ALL the time is really not good for them.

Working in a factory can be steady, but it can also be BORING.
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In some cities, mine included, you are not allowed to keep chickens or goats.
 
Via dolarossa said:
I used to eat organic because I thought it was better for the environment.
but the reality is, organic farming will not feed the world. and veganism uses more energy than animals!
great to hear new farming methods are much more cleaner and efficient, and I have just realised foreign water companies that buy our utilities do poison our waterways, because, well, they pay very little for the clean up, and the fines are nothing compared to their profits.


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Now don't get me wrong. I am one who would love to see the world as it was 50 years ago. Family farms producing lots of stuff for everyone.

However.....the world has changed drastically and what we see today is the results of that change. I grew up on a farm and I promise that Family farming is HARD. Farms used to owned and operated by men who had 6 or 8 children to help them. Those children married and stayed right there on that same farm.

That changed and now families are 1 or 2 kids and they can not wait to leave home. Food production had to change to feed the population and that is where we are now.
 
Lanolin said:
You need a big loan to pay for all the fancy equipment -tractors, harvesters, fencing etc and some banks aren't willing to lend to farmers, or the smaller ones cos they are banking on ROI, just like any business except with farming you rely on weather and crops depend on it.
If you grazing it's a bit more stable BUT your need quite a bit of land for that. Because you need to constantly rotate your stock so they don't eat everything.

There's also fertilizer and seed, but the govt does subsidise chemical fert (very bad for the soil in the long run) and monsanto and them make farmers buy seed every year instead of saving it from their crops, which means the farmers are always in debt to outside suppliers.

Personally I think if your body can handle less meat it can be healthy for people to change to a more plant based diet, maybe just have it a few times a week instead of every single day, and also eat fish or hunt. But for some it's not possible. Beans and pulses can make up protein though.

If you can afford fresh and organic, the food is MUCH better for you though.
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Eat more "Polk Salad"!
 
Lanolin said:
If you have a small section you can keep a couple of chickens for eggs, and maybe a goat, and a vege patch.

If larger you can have more --but even if you don't have any land you can grow things in containers.
Like humans animals need space though and having them caged up and confined ALL the time is really not good for them.

Working in a factory can be steady, but it can also be BORING.
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Get educated and get a better job!

Most places in USA will not allow farm animals in the city limits.
 
naomanos said:
It was a reply to me and I am not sure I ever said that farming was easy.
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the reply was in our posting. but it was not in reference to you or anyone else saying farming was easy. my remark was just a remark i seen my bro n law who farmed and worked for the state highway dept .modot work his tale off raising pigs. a bad disease hit i seen mounds of baby pigs dead, i seen him put hay up in a barn only to catch fire and burn. building fence tending animal's. doing your own mechanic work bailing hay square bales..
i fear many farmers try to live like the jones and farm. some farmers succeed nothing happens over night. yes i say the family farmer can produce better quality than corp farms. . if i sound hard core its because i am %100 for family business. yes we just got back from buying groceries at a chain store . no choice . just wanted clear the air so as you didnt think that was towards you.
 
Iā€™ve learned a lot from the U.K. farmers in the last few days.
I fully try to support them by buying local but it seems they may well be out priced by big farms.
Apparently, YouTube sees more small farmers making more money doing farm videos than selling stuff

the world indeed is changing fast.
 
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