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Unified Belief
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LOL!I deserved that.
I'll ask for my refund now. (hehe)
Have change for $1.00
I conclude the missionary is responsible for presenting God's word correctly. Just as you, I, and all are. Why would a missionary be different from anyone else? God holds all accountable for correct use of His word as witnessed by Rev. 22. 18-19........
18. For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
and this warning is replicated by.......two other books of the Bible.
That is a new one. ..."Baptismal Regeneration"...?...Degenerated by whom?...and by what authority?
I suggest what you advocate is ...to change God's word...prohibited by Rev. 22; 18, 19, et al.
If you have conviction of your conclusion please explain with a reference of such teaching prior to 1960?...got one?
Is act of repentance a...."OUTWARD appearance of an INWARD change"? {whatever that quoted means}
Further...is the act of repentance ..works..... in your belief system?
PS...it is not my suggestion ...those are ....God's words.....as commandments...previously posted...requiring baptism.
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God handles the unusual. You or I know not how.
If you don't believe in baptism...you don't believe in baptism.
To convince me you must show me biblical language ....that supports your belief... and you haven't.
It is a real stretch to suggest that a mother's amniotic fluid is a kind as baptism. Haven't seen that in scriptures...either.
My dear brother, hello and God bless you!
I NEVER said, and never implied that I did not believe in water baptism.
I said the exact opposite. I think that every single person who comes to Christ by faith and accepts Him should follow in believers baptism.
I do not know how clearer I can say that.
What I DID SAY and will say again...Water Baptism is NOT AN ESSENTIAL to mans salvation. IF.....IF we say that we MUST BE water Baptized, we are then in essence saying that the dirty old water in the Tennessee River has MORE saving power that the blood of God!
Now as to the Amniotic fluid being the water in John 3. I will be more that happy to show you the reason why that is what Jesus was talking about.
LOOK at the Scriptures.........
"Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born, can he?” J
Can a man enter his mother’s womb a second time in order to be born again? These two verses help us understand the CONTEXT of what the phrase “born of water and the Spirit.”
The Greek grammar of the sentence In John 3 supports the interpretation of amniotic fluid, because the verse reads literally........
“born of water and the Spirit.” In Greek, the word for ‘of,’ = ex, and is used to mean ‘from’.
The water being spoken of then in John 3 is the source or cause of the person’s birth. People are born from their mothers; and all mothers have amniotic fluid.
What then in view is "PARLLISIUM". Jesus is saying that we are born PHYSICALLY the 1st time but we must be BORN AGAIN the 2nd time by the Holy Spirit.
Now that does not mean YOU have to accept what I say. Please use the GOOGLE search engine and see if there are any supporting posts.
I am very glad to see you here and I hope we can have many discussions.
The missionaries do the best they have to work with, (and I am thankful for their work) but remember, the Bible was originally written in Greek/Hebrew and Aramaic, not King James English, so Rev 22:18-19 doesn't apply otherwise every translation would carry with it a curse.
We seem to be on different pages here.
You said in post #46........"The Holy Spirit is realized after complete repentance of which water baptism is a part."
Now what I said was simply what YOU are saying is called "BATISMAL REGENERATION".
That my dear brother is when people such as yourself say that Water Baptism is required for men to be saved!
Now I am not changing the Word of God. I only stated what YOU SAID you believed and what that action is called!
Now, again, God love you but the Bible does NOT SAY that water Baptism saves a man.
Water Baptism is an OUTWARD expression of an INWARD change in a mans heart!
WORKS play NO part in the salvation of man. WORKS we do AFTER we are saved is because we are saved!
However.....what crossnote is asking you.........if according to you, the 1611 KJV of the Bible is the only valid one to be used.............
what did the missionaries do before the KJV was printed? Billions were saved bore the KJV was available. Is their decision to be questioned?
We don't say it....GOD ...does.
So....please explain this;.....Peter 3: 21.... whereunto even baptism doth also now save us...
Hello gpresdo;
I believe we already established Baptism in the Scriptures. It exists and I have no argument with the Bible.
Which baptism do you believe is required for salvation, Spiritual Baptism or Water Immersion? Or, do you believe both are required according to the Scriptures you present?
God bless you, brother and your whole family.
I will be more than blessed to explain 1 Peter 3:21 to you my brother and thanks for asking!
Those who believe that baptism is required for salvation are quick to use 1 Peter 3:21 as a “proof text,” because it states “baptism now saves you.”
Peter said...........
"Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ."
Now, was Peter really saying that the act of being baptized is what saves us? If he were, he would be contradicting many other passages of Scripture that clearly show people being saved, as evidenced by their receiving the Holy Spirit, prior to being baptized or without being baptized at all.
As with any single verse or passage, we must discern what it teaches by first filtering it through what we know the Bible teaches on the subject at hand. In the case of baptism and salvation, the Bible is clear that salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, not by works of any kind, including baptism.
Thankfully, though, we don’t have to guess at what Peter means in this verse because he clarifies that for us with the phrase “not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience.”
While Peter is connecting baptism with salvation, it is not the act of being baptized that he is referring to (not the removal of dirt from the flesh). Being immersed in water does nothing but wash away dirt.
What Peter is referring to is what baptism represents, which is what saves us (an appeal to God for a good conscience through the resurrection of Jesus Christ).
In other words, Peter is simply connecting baptism with belief. It is not the getting wet part that saves but the “appeal to God for a clean conscience” which is signified by baptism, that saves us. The appeal to God always comes first. First belief and repentance, then we are baptized to publicly identify ourselves with Christ.
Oh this is not the only one...assuredly...there are more than Peter.
Don't transpose my question, please. The wording I wish is expressed in my question.
I am aware you did not QUOTE my question in your response so I will do that for you;
"So....please explain this;.....Peter 3: 21.... whereunto even baptism doth also now save us..."
Please one paragraph of limited wording should suffice.
(remember we are visited by many ....newbies.... and that is a constant comment/complaint...."not clear" So let's help.
You have incorporated at lease 5 unrelated points ......further...including removing of dirt as part of baptism...correctly presented in the OT but, not the NT.
Should I desire a different word usage I will consult my hard drive...LOL.
Please state where you are quoting from....including edition.
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I am becoming more and more confused by your posts. I do not know what you are saying.
I do not do short answers. Whether I did one paragraph or 7 should not patter. I gave you the answer to YOUR question. Apparently you do not accept it and reject it. NO problem with me.
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