I agree. Just trying to get your attention
The Bible is a masterpiece that, in my opinion, uses many styles of "story telling."
The Bible is a masterpiece that, in my opinion, uses many styles of "story telling."
Yep thats a good one. I'm sure theres more.
Unless all the animals in the Bible are metaphorical symbolic animals...we could post them all Major and you still wont believe. Which is a bit sad but lets post them anyway.
Ok go to this page its got 100 verses.
You can put to any bible version, its using ESV here, but yep theres dragons
You can put to any bible version, its using ESV here, but yep theres dragons
Ok go to this page its got 100 verses.
You can put to any bible version, its using ESV here, but yep theres dragons
Morning Lanolin,
As I read some of these verses, I see a common theme. From my untrained eyes, I see that “dragon” is being used as a metaphor for Satan, evil, etc. After all, Jesus often spoke in parables to illustrate his messages, so I see the use of “dragon” in the same light. Granted, the verses you offer does use “dragon” 35 times, but also uses devil/Satan/evil/serpent 31 times.
“He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.” (Revelations 20:2 (NIV))
At the end of the day, I have no idea how to reconcile the omission of dinosaurs or Neanderthals from scripture. Maybe we are not supposed to? I also can not explain why there are celestial bodies we cannot see, much less ever reach. I am sure of some things, like there is no way all of this happened by accident. The Bible is just too detailed to be made up and God gives us meaning and purpose. Maybe all of this is what Faith is all about?
rtm3039
Lanolin.....do you really think that questioning my faith or Bible knowledge is the way to have a conversation?????
Have you considered that these hyperbolical expressions in Job are used concerning the leviathan to intimate the terror of the wrath of God, for that is it which all this is designed to convince us of.
Fire out of his mouth devours, Ps. 18: 7, 8.
The breath of the Almighty, like a stream of brimstone, kindles Tophet, and will for ever keep it burning, Isa. 30: 33.
The wicked one shall be consumed with the breath of his mouth, 2 Thess. ii. 8.:5
Its because the word for dinosaurs is a modern usage of the word dragon. Quite simple really.
Sorry you cant reconcile. I'm fine with it.
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Yes, it is very sad that a courteous discussion about controversial issues cannot be conducted.
I expect that a thread that I started and in which I participated was at least one of the "two other threads".
In that thread, I started by asking the community why it was improper to use the evidences from Gods creation to understand Gods Word. My brothers there presented their views that the Bible is its own best commentary and whatever we have learned about God's universe should not be used to understand scripture. Again I thank my brothers for that, even if they did not get at my question of why to exclude the witness of God's creation.
Then the discussion 'evolved' into a discussion of my viewpoint.
While I found much of the discussion respectful on all sides, even when we disagreed (and I believe I took pains to be respectful of others), there was another participant that insisted on drawing poorly founded conclusions about what I believed or failed to believe. I found that generally insulting. I'll get over it.
The point of this is that we, as Christians need to show our brothers Christian Love, as my current Signature quotes John 13:34-35, which is an exhortation to show our brothers in Christ a special measure of Love (above and beyond the general exhortation to love our neighbors).
I'm not quite sure where you got this information. Care to share your source?
Siloam, I did not view your particular post, but it is obvious that mine was the second of two. My pastor often makes the comment: "It is what it is, but it isn't what is seems." I bring this up, because there are occasions where the language to a particular post might appear inappropriate, but that was not the intent. This is the problem with written communication, as it often times lacks personality. I use to compose messages (e-mails) that were a bit on the sarcastic side. If I made the comment in person, this would have been obvious and most people would have found it funny. This is not always the case with written communications.
Having said all that, an exchange of ideas is worthless, if people have to be prepared to be ambushed. All opinions have value, even the one's you don't agree with.
rtm3039
This is interesting:
The word dinosaur literally means "terrible, powerful, wondrous lizards." The word became popular after biologist and paleontologist, Sir Richard Owen coined the term "Dinosauria" in 1841. The word dinosaur derives from two greek words (deinos) "terrible, powerful, wondrous" + (sauros) "lizard".
Reference:
https://www.forbidden-history.com/dinosaurfacts-owen.html
Agreed.
Many times, prophets wrote in a way which they tried to explain the vision they saw or the words God gave to them when in actuality they did not know what they were writing. They were being obedient to God in the best language that they had at the time.
In Revelation, John uses phrases that he has no idea what they are. He was transported 2000 years into the future while on Patmos and shown the end of the age. He was then told to write down what he saw. The problem is that his understanding and knowledge was rooted in the 1st century and not the 21st century.
Again, your concern is going to rest upon whether you conform to the Young Earth or Old Earth theology. Remember, Old Earth theology DOES NOT have anything to do with evolution at all.
Well said!
Agreed!
Just so that we will all know...…...
There aren't *any* paleontologists who believe that the dragon legend was invented by ancient human beings who glimpsed a living, breathing dinosaur and passed the story down through countless generations.
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Not that you need my approval in any way, but I actually agree with you 100%!!!!
I do understand where the word "dinosaur" came from. I just don't understand how Lanolin thinks that "dragon" is an old word for dinosaur, and I'd like to see some sources that suggest that it is. Otherwise, it's only her personal unsupported supposition, and not historical fact or theory.
In fact, our word "dragon" comes from the Greek "drákōn", meaning serpent or water-snake. So this actually falls in line with the imagery used in the bible. The bible is not talking about the four-legged, scaled, sharp-toothed creature of science fiction or fantasy. And it is not talking about the extinct dinosaurs. As far as I know, dinosaurs have never been referred to as serpents/snakes (drákōn).
Yes, but ....
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