Maladies and generational curses, and sin runs through the familial line. I have never suggested that they do not. Jesus Christ has come to set us free from all of it.
Apostasy Rising: 4 Denominations In Less Than A Week Defy God's Word
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Maladies and generational curses, and sin runs through the familial line. I have never suggested that they do not. Jesus Christ has come to set us free from all of it.
MMurphy
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If a persons brain is wired differently they are not able to give deliberate consent. Do you believe people with torets are sinning? Anytime reference is made to four corners of the earth or the sun rising it implies a flat earth and geocentric orbit respectively. The bible tells us how to live morally. It does not contain much science. You apply the old moral principles to new scientific understanding. That I'd how it has always been done.
PeaceLikeaRiver
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I read the article "Apostasy Rising" and felt like applauding those churches, every single one of them. Praise to God! Maybe there IS hope that hatred and bigotry will soon be a thing of the past.
PeaceLikeaRiver
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Also I found an interesting link regarding the article's author, Jennifer LeClaire:
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/category/people/jennifer-leclaire
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/category/people/jennifer-leclaire
I'd hope someone would educate you that there is no hatred or bigotry involved. Apostasy on the other hand is a real tragedy and a contemporary concern for all Christians.
PeaceLikeaRiver
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Jesus loves you!
Yes, I know this. May Jesus enter your heart and bring you peace.
I have tremendous respect for Jennifer LeClaire.
How can it be that “Progressive Christianity is even possible? For the author of the article points to apostasy and gay marriage, as the immediate danger to the church, but may I surrender an ethical perspective to hone a new focus if my contribution in response can be entertained.
For political, compulsory, and pantheistic styled force is already entrenched in many nations, and provides the immoral anti-ethical foundation for mandatory separation from sound scripture in a political-economy. Should it now be our urgent vigilance in the church to defend our "individual liberty", "natural rights", and most importantly, what is our liberty to live "morally according to scripture". For our liberty has been strategically under foundational assault for a long time, which has formulated through time to bring us to a crossroads of choosing yet more Socialism or ethics.
For Plato originated primordially the premise of state power from mysticism, Plotinus solidified it as "Oneness", Hegel moved it to dialectical immoral mystical illegitimate-ethics for proposed totalitarianism, and Marx provided the compulsory political prescription from hell to empower totalitarianism; yet all together a satanic hammer formulates in front of our eyes to crush the church to oblivion in the confines of “unjust law” by dissolving the “individual agent.” Shall this strategy kill 160 million in the twentieth century alone from compulsory socialistic governments, and Socialism is the key.
Shall Progressive Christianity serve us "pantheistic oneness" and achieve it with "Socialism" first, "Collectivism" second, and brutal tyrannical unabated "Despotism" last; for this vertical strategy is calculated since the eighteenth century and has worked well in many nations to kill many.
Shall the Christian who clings to sound scripture be sober to know that often times the materialist and many in the compulsory pantheistic persuasion will use Hegelian metaphysics to say, "Jesus was God, but not because He came down to inhabit the corporeal body of a man to die for our “individual” sins, but because a “man (Jesus)” figured out how to "progress" to a godly-pantheistic-manifestation, as all mankind is ONE unit." Shall the transfiguration to force a single godly collective, then be the goal of those who will force compulsory foundations for philosophical materialism, and that requires the earth becoming “ONE” using arbitrary “force”. Thus all boundaries for what is “moral” in a societal application and what is “moral” according to scripture becomes voided out in exchange for a consequentialist ethic of a proposed philosophical materialistic utopia in the spirit of Marx as all manor of evil despotism will kill the innocent in the process.
Can Burke's political intervention of the old order finally be abandoned in exchange for sound “societal ethics” in the Lockean-Christian tradition of “Natural Rights”, where our “individual and scriptural” autonomy to choose our Lords plan of salvation is unhindered by compulsory despotism coming from evil men? Though the gay community will marry at will when marriage is left alone, it will never be condoned in the church that uses a sound moral-framework from scripture; yet the church that uses violence to curtail its existence, is the church that will reap what it sows, which is the legislation that forces gay marriage upon the church.
Thus may I plead to the body that our path to sanity is clear, that we not use the evil laws of men to fix marriage but adhere to scripture in love, while never casting a stone, and praying without ceasing that those who move to perversions will see in truth the life that Christ has ordained? Then in our stance of love, then move to “unity” as the body of Christ to support a non-interventionist free market economy where dark forces have no power with evil men to deploy arbitrary despotism on a whim upon the church.
For political, compulsory, and pantheistic styled force is already entrenched in many nations, and provides the immoral anti-ethical foundation for mandatory separation from sound scripture in a political-economy. Should it now be our urgent vigilance in the church to defend our "individual liberty", "natural rights", and most importantly, what is our liberty to live "morally according to scripture". For our liberty has been strategically under foundational assault for a long time, which has formulated through time to bring us to a crossroads of choosing yet more Socialism or ethics.
For Plato originated primordially the premise of state power from mysticism, Plotinus solidified it as "Oneness", Hegel moved it to dialectical immoral mystical illegitimate-ethics for proposed totalitarianism, and Marx provided the compulsory political prescription from hell to empower totalitarianism; yet all together a satanic hammer formulates in front of our eyes to crush the church to oblivion in the confines of “unjust law” by dissolving the “individual agent.” Shall this strategy kill 160 million in the twentieth century alone from compulsory socialistic governments, and Socialism is the key.
Shall Progressive Christianity serve us "pantheistic oneness" and achieve it with "Socialism" first, "Collectivism" second, and brutal tyrannical unabated "Despotism" last; for this vertical strategy is calculated since the eighteenth century and has worked well in many nations to kill many.
Shall the Christian who clings to sound scripture be sober to know that often times the materialist and many in the compulsory pantheistic persuasion will use Hegelian metaphysics to say, "Jesus was God, but not because He came down to inhabit the corporeal body of a man to die for our “individual” sins, but because a “man (Jesus)” figured out how to "progress" to a godly-pantheistic-manifestation, as all mankind is ONE unit." Shall the transfiguration to force a single godly collective, then be the goal of those who will force compulsory foundations for philosophical materialism, and that requires the earth becoming “ONE” using arbitrary “force”. Thus all boundaries for what is “moral” in a societal application and what is “moral” according to scripture becomes voided out in exchange for a consequentialist ethic of a proposed philosophical materialistic utopia in the spirit of Marx as all manor of evil despotism will kill the innocent in the process.
Can Burke's political intervention of the old order finally be abandoned in exchange for sound “societal ethics” in the Lockean-Christian tradition of “Natural Rights”, where our “individual and scriptural” autonomy to choose our Lords plan of salvation is unhindered by compulsory despotism coming from evil men? Though the gay community will marry at will when marriage is left alone, it will never be condoned in the church that uses a sound moral-framework from scripture; yet the church that uses violence to curtail its existence, is the church that will reap what it sows, which is the legislation that forces gay marriage upon the church.
Thus may I plead to the body that our path to sanity is clear, that we not use the evil laws of men to fix marriage but adhere to scripture in love, while never casting a stone, and praying without ceasing that those who move to perversions will see in truth the life that Christ has ordained? Then in our stance of love, then move to “unity” as the body of Christ to support a non-interventionist free market economy where dark forces have no power with evil men to deploy arbitrary despotism on a whim upon the church.
Yes its called Abraham begot Issac begot Jacob...etc...
Well just because you "think" your weaknesses are genetic that does not mean that is true in the sense of eternal truth. If God has set you free? You are free and if you walk in faith you will see that truth working in you.
Not of semetic origin thanks.
If don't want to believe genetics is real that is your choice.
I'm not going to doubt a physical science with clinical results. My King gave me science to improve my life.
Oh come on friend they come up with this sort of stuff everyday and tall everyone about how they find this and that and then later its all proven to be a fraud... What science are you pointing to? give some information about this thing that you believe more than Gods Word? These are the same people that believe men are really monkeys and that nothing blew-up and made everything, that's not science that just another false religion.
MMurphy
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The people who criticize science as fraud are typically the ones that no the least about it.
The "nothing blew-up and made everything" is called the Big Bang Theory and is one of the most factually well established theories in astronomy. It is also the most conclusive scientific theory supporting the existence of God. And other areas that you criticize come from a very new understanding in an area of science called quantum mechanics that has predicted the spontaneous creation and destruction of subatomic particles in a vacuum, and is the most well established theory in astronomy.
Other areas of biology and evolution gain the credibility not from conjecture as you seem to think, but physical evidence, for instance the physical uncovering of a line of pre-human skulls that show the exactly the gradual change from Neanderthal to human and the fact that primates and humans share 98% of their genetic material.
Your accusation of fraudulent science also has no basis save your own speculation. Scientific papers are held to very high standards and require peer reviews before it will even be entertained by the scientific community. The only recent fraud I know of is someone who did an experiment on snowflakes, which was never well accepted as it was.
What you might be mistaking for fraud is new scientific discovery. Theories are amended often to accommodate new research. It does not entail fraud.
On the contrary to your thinking, as the unbiased scientific method is applied, to begins to converge with biblical texts. For instance General Relativity helps explain quite nicely why a day is like a 1,000 years to God. Also explains how a seven day creation could have been possible, and hundreds of other matter that science is slowly beginning to confirm what Scripture says, but in order to appreciate that one has to look beyond their initial beliefs and revel in the mystery of God.
Lol so to you ...nothing blows up and makes everything...is real science....so please explain the physical laws that are at work in this sort of logic? Think about how silly that is!
MMurphy
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No one understands it, it is still an early science, at least the quantum mechanical aspect of particles spontaneously popping in and out of existence. The Big Bang Theory fits well into Christian theology so I don't know why you are so against it. Do you apply to the theory that the Universe is infinitely old?
No one understands it ...lol yes because its impossible and takes a false form of religion to believe! Its a big lie, that's why!
MMurphy
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Do you know what the double slit experiment is? Probably not.
When a barrier is placed in front of a photo-electric source, which has two slits in it, and fires a single photon (a particle of light) the photon will demonstrate an interference pattern similar to that of ripples in water. The only way for this to be possible is if the photon traveled through BOTH slits, in order to create a waves that interfere with each other.
Get it?
So then they decided to put a camera by the barrier to see which slit the the photon passes through, and as soon as they do that, the interference pattern... disappears! Watching the photon makes it behave differently! No one can give a good explanation for this.
But, the whole point of science is discovering the unknown. And it is that non-understanding that is precisely the purpose of science.
Is it me or is this thread diverging into a whole new spectrum? That includes a venture into snarkyness? 
MMurphy
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Mitspa has a bone to pick with science. So I defend it, because God created Science and the Word.