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[CCW95A]

In 2 Corinthians 12:9, weakness clearly means bodily weakness - because it couldn't be said to be spiritual weakness or moral weakness with Paul. Paul was, of course, not perfect, but he was certainly marked by spiritual energy.

Brother if "weakness" means some kind of sickness then the strongest people in the Church would be those who are sick, and in the hospital!!

2Co 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

 

[KingJ]

Brother if "weakness" means some kind of sickness then the strongest people in the Church would be those who are sick, and in the hospital!!

2Co 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

Being stuck in hosptial not so much. Unless God wants us to reach the nurses and doctors. But definitely in the case of Christians in wheelchairs and such.

 

[Fish Catcher Jim]

No. Nobody was destined for hell because of the fall. Earth / out of Eden was death / the punishment for sin.

God has the brains to grasp that having sin does not eqaul loving it.

Sir this is not at all 100 percent correct.
Once the first adam fell and opened the door to sin and the curse - every person born of a woman is born into sin. We are as filthy rags. We are All Hell bound unless we take advantage of the blood Jesus shed.

If what you claim was true then Jesus came and went to the cross for no reason.
God Bless
Jim

 

[CCW95A]

Ok so your faith is 100% useless / irrelevant to helping anyone.

Her reaching out in faith is everything. I agree. Glad we cleared that one up.

Now the second issue is for you to understand that your mother cannot attend church every Sunday and not ever reach out to God.......She reaches out to God every single time she sings a hymn praising Him. We know she has touched Jesus because she attends church faithfully and she hates what is evil Rom 12:9.

I don't think you realize how insane your claim to her not reaching out to Jesus is.

You do not have to go to some physical building (Church) to reach out to the Lord. If one is never taught about healing from the scriptures, and faith comes by hearing the Word of God, then why would anyone even attempt healing if they don't know they can have it?
Jesus could not do any mighty works in his own home town because of their "unbelief"!! The Word of God (Jesus Christ) needs faith for it to work on behalf of another.

Mar 6:5 And he could do no mighty work there, except that he laid his hands on a few sick people and healed them.
Mar 6:6 And he marveled because of their unbelief. And he went about among the villages teaching.

 

[Grant Melville]

Brother if "weakness" means some kind of sickness then the strongest people in the Church would be those who are sick, and in the hospital!!

2Co 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

I quite agree! Yes, often believers who're undergoing pressure are displaying the most divine power. When circumstances seem to be outwardly very adverse, and there seems to be no natural resource to turn to, the believer is sustained by divine power. Even unbelievers see it, and they wonder at it. A fine example of that is the brother I've mentioned on these forums recently who has a terminal illness - what a spirit of overcoming he's displaying! He's been an indescribable encouragement to me and to all the brethren - something very choice is being worked out at the moment for the eternal pleasure of God. He is a fine example of what we have in Psalm 4: "in pressure thou hast enlarged me" (Psalm 4:1). Some of the most precious types of the Old Testament - such as oil and wine - speak of pressure, and what flows from it for the heart of God. In Leviticus 2 we have the oblation, "baken in the oven", "baken in the pan", "prepared in the cauldron", the perfections of the Lord Jesus in Manhood, brought into special display in pressure, all resulting in "an offering by fire to Jehovah of a sweet odour." We can, in our measure, display those precious Christ-like features in the midst of pressure, and something peculiarly for the delight of the heart of God would be formed in us, which will be enjoyed by Him throughout eternity. How great and unsearchable are His ways!

 

[CCW95A]

I quite agree! Yes, often believers who're undergoing pressure are displaying the most divine power. When circumstances seem to be outwardly very adverse, and there seems to be no natural resource to turn to, the believer is sustained by divine power. Even unbelievers see it, and they wonder at it. A fine example of that is the brother I've mentioned on these forums recently who has a terminal illness - what a spirit of overcoming he's displaying! He's been an indescribable encouragement to me and to all the brethren - something very choice is being worked out at the moment for the eternal pleasure of God. He is a fine example of what we have in Psalm 4: "in pressure thou hast enlarged me" (Psalm 4:1). Some of the most precious types of the Old Testament - such as oil and wine - speak of pressure, and what flows from it for the heart of God. In Leviticus 2 we have the oblation, "baken in the oven", "baken in the pan", "prepared in the cauldron", the perfections of the Lord Jesus in Manhood, brought into special display in pressure, all resulting in "an offering by fire to Jehovah of a sweet odour." We can, in our measure, display those precious Christ-like features in the midst of pressure, and something peculiarly for the delight of the heart of God would be formed in us, which will be enjoyed by Him throughout eternity. How great and unsearchable are His ways!

Brother you do know that "sickness" is oppression of the devil. Does our strength come from the devil, or does it come from the Word of God that teaches us all things?
Does God get the Glory when we are sick or in health? We are to be "strong" in the Lord and in the "power" of his might, not in the power of sickness!
Being "weak" has nothing to do with any kind of sickness, it has to do with not trusting in ones self but in the living God who raises the dead.

Act 10:38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power. He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him.

 

[CCW95A]

I quite agree! Yes, often believers who're undergoing pressure are displaying the most divine power.

Sickness does not give Glory to God in any way. What gives Glory to God is in a persons healing. Hopefully your friend is confessing healing scriptures over his body, or else just enduring while sick is not doing anything.

 

[Apologia]

Ok sir this is where we begin to see things differently............
You say if your child was killed you are assured it was the Lord Purpose...........
This is where this conversations ends and begins............

How do you base this thinking ? What scripture would you use to back this thinking?
Not everything that happens is Gods will or doing.........
Jim

With all due respect, this has nothing to do with the thread topic.

No. Nobody was destined for hell because of the fall. Earth / out of Eden was death / the punishment for sin.

God has the brains to grasp that having sin does not eqaul loving it.

I was talking about a bodily death, not spiritual.

 

[Euphemia]

You said this: To which Asuk asked: 'How many times have you done this?'

You then replied with
And now you say

I give up with you. Let me know when you actually read posts.

You have no reason to make such a statement. You are calling me a liar.

 

[KingJ]

Sir this is not at all 100 percent correct.
Once the first adam fell and opened the door to sin and the curse - every person born of a woman is born into sin. We are as filthy rags. We are All Hell bound unless we take advantage of the blood Jesus shed.

If what you claim was true then Jesus came and went to the cross for no reason.
God Bless
Jim

There is an ocean of difference between being in death and being hellbound.

 

[Euphemia]

Ok so your faith is 100% useless / irrelevant to helping anyone.

Her reaching out in faith is everything. I agree. Glad we cleared that one up.

Now the second issue is for you to understand that your mother cannot attend church every Sunday and not ever reach out to God.......She reaches out to God every single time she sings a hymn praising Him. We know she has touched Jesus because she attends church faithfully and she hates what is evil Rom 12:9.

I don't think you realize how insane your claim to her not reaching out to Jesus is.

I'm a liar and now Curtis is insane?

 

[KingJ]

I was talking about a bodily death, not spiritual.

Well then to be pedantic, Adam was made in a temporal flesh from day one.

 

[Fish Catcher Jim]

With all due respect, this has nothing to do with the thread topic.


I was talking about a bodily death, not spiritual.

Brother with all do respect - is there a reason you keep telling me I am off topic but no body else ? Pretty bad when I reply to something and you single me out. Nice work bro !
God Bless

 

[Cturtle]

Is the care of the churches a messenger from Satan? I would say that it was a divine care, a responsibility carried for the Lord.

The greek word for care is merimna.... and is translated to mean anxiety, through the idea of distraction which yes in my opinion is a messenger of satan. It goes back to Mark 4:7 and is one way that the devil steals the Word of God from someone's spirit, and causes us to be in the flesh and not walking in the spirit. Besides one cannot be in faith and fear or worry at the same time. If you are in fear or worry which is also linked to doubt or a lack of trust, then you are not fully trusting in God to take care of things.

Paul should not have been carrying the responsibility for the churches, that is God's job....we are told to place all of our cares into God's hands (1 Peter 5:7), He is the one to carry burdens not us Matthew 11:28-30.

God Bless

 

[Euphemia]

No. Nobody was destined for hell because of the fall. Earth / out of Eden was death / the punishment for sin.

God has the brains to grasp that having sin does not eqaul loving it.

Everyone, since the Fall of man, is born heading for hell precisely because of sin. One's destiny to suffer eternal condemnation is cancelled the second one receives, by God's grace, the faith to believe in the Saviour, Jesus Christ.

 

[Euphemia]

If we leave aside Paul's example, what are we to make of Timothy and Trophimus?

What about them?

 

[Euphemia]

This is major cop out Euphemia.

There are no sick around you? You have never attended a funeral?

There is sickness everywhere. I do attend funerals. You aren't getting it, obviously.

 

[Cturtle]

In 2 Corinthians 12:9, weakness clearly means bodily weakness - because it couldn't be said to be spiritual weakness or moral weakness with Paul. Paul was, of course, not perfect, but he was certainly marked by spiritual energy.

It's dangerous (to say the least) for us to pursue our own ideas and try to make scripture conform to them. We have to take scripture at what it plainly says, and let the word form our thoughts, not the other way round. In 1 Peter 2:24, the healing spoken of is moral and spiritual, not physical, otherwise every believer would be maintained in perfect physical health and fitness perpetually.

I actually disagree with you in regards to 1 Peter 2:24. Healing is stored up for every believer, bought and paid for by The Blood and stripes of Jesus. But Every believer has to choose to accept or receive what was already purchased for them. God's desire is that we all walk in divine health, but that has to be done according to His ways. Obeying His word. Believing and speaking His Word.
It's just like salvation, one has to accept the free gift in order to receive the benefits of a new and reborn spirit, and also eternal life and all the other benefits that come from obediently walking in God's ways. The Bible says that each person has to work out their own salvation (Philippians 2:2). Jesus did the hard part now all each one of us needs to do is make the choice to walk in it. And daily take up our cross, or crucify the flesh (natural worldly desires) and follow in Jesus' footsteps.

God Bless

 

[CCW95A]

In 1 Peter 2:24, the healing spoken of is moral and spiritual, not physical, otherwise every believer would be maintained in perfect physical health and fitness perpetually.

Pro 4:20.. My son, be attentive to my words; incline your ear to my sayings.
Pro 4:21.. Let them not escape from your sight; keep them within your heart.
Pro 4:22.. For they are life to those who find them, and healing to all their flesh.

 

[Apologia]

Brother with all do respect - is there a reason you keep telling me I am off topic but no body else ? Pretty bad when I reply to something and you single me out. Nice work bro !
God Bless

The first part I initially typed then thought I deleted but it looks like the auto save caught it before that happened. You'll have to forgive me, I didn't mean to single you out.