No, Brother.... Paul is not repeating the same thing here. People were going back to Judaism the whole reason some believe Hebrews was written.
it is the same thing .. once you become "born again" as a new creature" .. there is not regaining that if you willfully walk away from it .. willfully/purposely sinning is walking away from your being enlightened as a new creature of God ..
And the Greek does matter because it does not denote a sin over and over or a bunch of different ones, it denotes ONE sin and that sin is to count the blood of the lamb worthless.
indeed the Greek does matter .. but I do NOT understand why you are stuck on "over and over as that is not what is represented ..
the GREEK says hekousiōs .. which indeed means WILLFULLY or PURPOSELY ..
John also mentioned this same sin, same warning. He said don't pray for that sin and warned what He was talking about.
the sin that is referenced to NOT pray for, is the ONLY UNFORGIVABLE SIN .. that being blasphemy of the HS ..
1Jo 5:16 If anyone sees his brother committing a sin not leading to death, he shall ask and God will for him give life to those who commit sin not leading to death. There is a sin leading to death; I do not say that he should make request for this.
Mat 12:31 “Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven.
Mat 12:32 “Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.
Blessings.
Catholicism- The Truth In The Practices
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MichaelH
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Sort of the same thing, I am avoiding telling someone that walks away from God for 20 years that they are forever Lost. I know that is not the case. The act was to know the truth, then count the blood covenant a unworthy thing. That is a bit different than getting stuck looking at Porn for 10 years and in the dark. The believer looking at Porn knows inside they need to turn it around but they are in a worse state now than they were before they made Jesus Lord. They know the truth but have chosen something different. They can still come back, but it's a hard way back.
Hebrews 10 is speaking of just ONE Sin. It's a willful sin and that is to denounce the Lord Jesus for another god, and in this case Judaism. Same waring in Hebrews 6, if they fall away from the Lord Jesus, count the Holy Spirit as being worthless or not valued to serve another way to be saved then there is no more room for repentance.
It's a Act of a person changing gods once they have known the truth about the Lord Jesus as being the only way, yet they discredit that way despite the Spirit of grace.
Zero Scriptures that say the Only unforgivable is in Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit........... ZERO. Believers like to add that in there, we don't add anything. For that to be true, I would need two scripture references of two different situations as we don't take one scripture in a private interpretation. We compare Spiritual with Spiritual. The scripture would have to say that is the only unforgivable sin, and it just says that one sin won't be forgiven, not that it's the only sin that won't be forgiven.
John says if you see a brother sin unto death, don't pray for that. John mentions what that is, it's the same one mentioned in Hebrews.
John then warns
1Jn 5:21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.
That is the sin given to John by the Holy Spirit as he Wrote that, so that would be the sin unto Death or the Holy Spirit would have given Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit when John wrote about the sin unto death. The thought connected to what was in Johns spirit was the sin of turning away from the Lord Jesus to serve another God.
Any Brother or Sister that goes to serve another god like Allah, John said don't pray for that.
Hebrews 6 and 10 back that up.
We only have Jesus that said this Once, it's would be hard to keep that Private interpretation rule and make a doctrine here. We don't do that.
The sin was for saying the Holy Spirit was a devil (Evil) to cast out devils. That was the sin, as it's calling the Holy Spirit evil and devilish.
Anyone that knows the truth and walks away from the Lord Jesus to serve another god to get eternal life despite the Spirit of Grace also would have to commit this sin by rejecting the Holy Spirit to serve another. They rejected the seal put on them by the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption. Counting what the Holy Spirit did as worthless.
So, giving credit for doing Evil to the Holy Spirit was blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. A devil to cast out a devil.
Everything God does on this earth today is through the Holy Spirit. So many believers then would end up unforgiven by giving credit to the Holy Spirit for something the devil did.
Since it's the thief that came to kill, steal and destroy, saying God took my child home early would be attributing evil to the Holy Spirit calling the Holy Spirit a devil and murderer. Wrong Spirit!!!! God does not kill children, the devil does.
Even when asking Jesus to rain fire down on those who would not receive, Jesus said........... Wrong spirit boys. It's the devil who rains fire from the sky, ask one of Job's sheep.
any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people ..
you just contradicted yourself ..
and Jesus repeated it twice ..
I am not here to debate .. so I am done here ..
MichaelH
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It's only one scripture, by one Person, Jesus............ I did not contradict myself, I thought I made that clear. We need another case somewhere else. We don't take one scripture or one area of passage and make doctrines out of it. We have what Jesus said about it, we need one more witness that says the same. Since we don't, then we
A) Assume anyone saying God through the Holy Spirit did evil commits the sin (By which many are in big trouble then, which was the context Jesus was saying.
B) Someone knew the Holy Spirit, and decided they did not want the Holy Spirit being sealed by until redemption and left despite the Spirit of Grace. The only other place we have to compare what Jesus said, that a person leaves despite the Spirit of Grace.
That means someone would have to understand who they were leaving for another god. They denounce Jesus and the Holy Spirit for something else, like in Hebrews.
In any case no sin is imputed if there is no law, so the people Jesus were speaking to did not commit the sin, even though they said the Holy Spirit is a devil.
Blessings.
A) Assume anyone saying God through the Holy Spirit did evil commits the sin (By which many are in big trouble then, which was the context Jesus was saying.
B) Someone knew the Holy Spirit, and decided they did not want the Holy Spirit being sealed by until redemption and left despite the Spirit of Grace. The only other place we have to compare what Jesus said, that a person leaves despite the Spirit of Grace.
That means someone would have to understand who they were leaving for another god. They denounce Jesus and the Holy Spirit for something else, like in Hebrews.
In any case no sin is imputed if there is no law, so the people Jesus were speaking to did not commit the sin, even though they said the Holy Spirit is a devil.
Blessings.
And how! Hollywood often does.
Yep, there's a lot that people misunderstand about Confession. Like Glomung said, there isn't quite one method of this sacrament. A lot of people have confession just sitting with a priest and talking. I remember my RCIA sponsor saying he met with a priest over a coffee somewhere and had confession speaking face to face. I prefer the confessional (the phone booth
).Penances used to be very different hundreds of years ago as they used to be very public acts.
I actually have no problem in believing that blaspheming the Holy Spirit is the only unpardonable sin. In fact, ALL the lost will have one thing in common, they would have blasphemed the Holy Spirit. The thing we need to understand is what are the ways we can blaspheme the Holy Spirit.
MichaelH
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In Jesus context, it was calling the Work of God through the Holy Spirit to be the work of devils.
Unbelievers are Judged already of sin, but just ONE sin and it's not blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. We would have to add that sin on them when it's never mentioned as a sin they have committed. So we don't want to add to scriptures if it's not there.
To make a doctrine we need another witness in scripture to compare with what Jesus said concerning blasphemy of the holy Spirit or calling the Spirit of Grace worthless or evil.
Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
(Heb 10:29)
Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
(Heb 6:6)
Fall away would mean to
literally leave the Lord for another way. New age, Allah, in Hebrews case Judaism.
These are the only other scripture witnesses I can find. To have known the Holy Spirit, then decide that you wanted nothing to do with him.
I have to ask, was the comment Jesus made about calling the Holy Spirit a devil to cast out devils Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit The exact thing someone has to do, or He use that as an entrance to warn not to go against or leave the Holy Spirit?
A whole lot of believers attribute The Power of God with evil, even accuse God of taking loved ones home early when it's the devil that Kills, steals and destroys, not the Holy Spirit. They would be guilty in the context Jesus gave.
Whatever the case, lets just serve the Lord and not worry about doing that.
Blessings.
I definitely believe the latter. The role of the Holy Spirit is to teach (john 14:26), convict (john 16:8) , guide (john 16:13) etc.. Therefore we can see why blaspheming the Holy Spirit is the unpardonable sin, since essentially you are resisting the spirit of truth (John 14:17). For without the Holy Spirit, it is impossible to do His will.
God Bless,
MoG
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MichaelH
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That is a pretty good way to put it. I never thought about it like that. You resist the Spirit of Truth, therefore could not come back to repentance because doing that would not occur to you. So, without the Holy Spirit (Someone) rejected, they could not do the will of God, or even consider coming back.
So anyone who is scared they committed this sin against the Holy Spirit could not have committed it because they no longer would be drawn to truth. So it would be the devil lying to them.
I think I'll use that. Resisting what is true, no longer caring what is true.
Blessings.