The Davinci Code is admittedly totally fiction (the author tells us this in his intro/preface) so forget that one...but as for otther gospels there were none...zero, zilch, nada...other gospels were written by groups like the gnostics in the 2nd and 3rd centuries and they were immediately rejected and dismissed...the earliest church fathers testify to the fact that there were only four (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) and that they were written in that order....Matthew's being the most oft quoted until around 200 years after Christ. Why would any responsible church leader want to see the false Gospel of Thomas or Judas or Mary mixed in with the truth?
Do You Think The Bible Was Written By Men To Keep People In Line??
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The Davinci Code is admittedly totally fiction (the author tells us this in his intro/preface) so forget that one...but as for otther gospels there were none...zero, zilch, nada...other gospels were written by groups like the gnostics in the 2nd and 3rd centuries and they were immediately rejected and dismissed...the earliest church fathers testify to the fact that there were only four (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) and that they were written in that order....Matthew's being the most oft quoted until around 200 years after Christ. Why would any responsible church leader want to see the false Gospel of Thomas or Judas or Mary mixed in with the truth?
Yeah! One person once said it would be like believing that an explosion in a print shop could produce the Brittanica...NOT!!!
I don't know but someone in this forum on another discussion advised me to look up the gnostic ones so I did and found them pretty interesting.
I own copies of them all but they are not the word of God....they are fiction (with gnostic twists hidden all throughout)...like in Thomas for example among three or four actual quotes from Matthews gospel (obviously copied since Thomas was long dead) the writer throws in that the male must become the female and the female the male (a gnostic hint at their hermaphrodite archetype, which in their belief is that God is a hermaphroditic being...to them a perfect oneness is a union of the male and female principles)...bet you missed that one, right?
In fact in chapter 1 the writer says "when you make the inner like the outer and the outer like the inner, and the upper like the lower, and when you make male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male nor the female be female, when you make eyes in place of an eye, a hand in place of a hand, a foot in place of a foot, an image in place of an image, then you will enter the kingdom." And this is allegedly Jesus speaking...as John said about the gnostic Cerinthus "If you see him, flee from him as fast as you can"...learn the Bible first....
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Thank you!
A believer in god does not constitute being born spiritually. If you are not born from above you will not understand scripture. Do you know The Lord?
Sorry, I haven't read this whole thread, but saw the question at the top "Do you think the bible was written by men to keep people in line?"
My answer is no. It is the living word of God. Every single line that I read from it, God is speaking to me directly. You could get the best debaters in the world, and you still would not be able to convince me that it is not the word of God. I don't trust my government, I don't trust the news, I don't believe most things most people say to me, but the one thing that I will always believe is the word of God.
My answer is no. It is the living word of God. Every single line that I read from it, God is speaking to me directly. You could get the best debaters in the world, and you still would not be able to convince me that it is not the word of God. I don't trust my government, I don't trust the news, I don't believe most things most people say to me, but the one thing that I will always believe is the word of God.
It was written by people. Some of the history can be confirmed and some is not so easy. That being
said the Bible teaches how to have freedom from sin. If you read it from that perspective it would
seem rather absurd to say that it is made up. And if you are not reading it from that perspective
then why are you reading it?
You can use lateral thought on Jesus: http://www.thesacredpage.com/2008/04/napoleons-proof-for-divinity-of-jesus.html
or on the Jews: http://www.josh.org/resources/study...is-objective-evidence-that-the-bible-is-true/. or just on what you can see.....intelligent design = God...mankind > animals...goodness exists therefore a good God exists...a good God would want to reach out to His intelligent / accountable for sin creation.
But, better yet you can 'know' Jesus is Lord by a revelation from the Holy Spirit as Peter received Matt 16:16-17 and as we all can receive 1 Cor 12:3.
The only requirement is that you come to God James 4:8 and on His terms Psalm 51:17, James 4:6, Matt 16:24 whilst ever aware of Jer 17:9-10 The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it? “I the Lord search the heart and examine the mind, to reward each person according to their conduct, according to what their deeds deserve.”
Good point! LOL at the ''old''
. What exactly was old...the never before heard point or the 'bible is inspired'....
Glomung
Account Closed
Most of these arguments, whether for or against, when looked at logically tend to fall flat.
The meat of the issue is this: does following the teachings of Christianity cause a difference in the practitioner?
The answer to that is yes.
The greatest Hindus, Moslems, Mormons, etc. who have ever lived were and are still just run-of-the-mill humans.
To be something more than just a human you must be a faithful Christian.
St. Anthony of Padua, St. Francis of Assissi, Padre Pio, and St. Joseph of Cupertino are good examples of what humans can become if they really do devote their lives to Christ.
The meat of the issue is this: does following the teachings of Christianity cause a difference in the practitioner?
The answer to that is yes.
The greatest Hindus, Moslems, Mormons, etc. who have ever lived were and are still just run-of-the-mill humans.
To be something more than just a human you must be a faithful Christian.
St. Anthony of Padua, St. Francis of Assissi, Padre Pio, and St. Joseph of Cupertino are good examples of what humans can become if they really do devote their lives to Christ.
There seems to be a difference of opinion. I've seen in the latest few posts that the bible is;
1 The indisputable word of God.
2 The history of God, written by people.
3 The word of God, written by people but inspired by God.
What is the accepted origin?
1 and 3 with the exception of the ten commandments being written by God and given to Moses.
2 Pet 1:21 For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
When was the first Christian bible written?
Huntingteckel
Inactive
What do you mean? There are different books in the New Testament, which is what I'm assuming you mean, and they were written at different times. Do you mean the that or when the books of the Christian bible collected?
Both (or all) dates would be interesting.
Huntingteckel
Inactive
I'll see what I can find. Hopefully someone more educated than me has the dates in their memory and can help you out a bit better.
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http://www.biblestudy.org/beginner/when-was-new-testament-written.html
This is close to the dates I was thinking about.
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http://www.biblestudy.org/beginner/when-was-new-testament-written.html
This is close to the dates I was thinking about.
Slow down there Huntingteckel. Some discernment is needed in discussions with atheists. Tubby tubby forgot how to use Google?
Note how Tubby tubby cannot accept his initial questions are DEALT with. He immediately jumps ship. Not that he can't ask that question...but whilst quoting my post.... Intention here is clear = waste of time to discuss further.
Sorry Tubby, I am not ignorant, blind and dumb. Continue this trend I will notify the mods.
Deceitfulness / stumbling Christians 101...I have been to atheist school
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Note how Tubby tubby cannot accept his initial questions are DEALT with. He immediately jumps ship. Not that he can't ask that question...but whilst quoting my post.... Intention here is clear = waste of time to discuss further.
Sorry Tubby, I am not ignorant, blind and dumb. Continue this trend I will notify the mods.
Deceitfulness / stumbling Christians 101...I have been to atheist school
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