Forgiveness - mercy and grace

Siloam said:
The damage an unforgiving heart does is why forgiveness is more a quality of the forgives than the forgiven.

If you look at post#2 in this thread where I attempted to provide definitions for forgiveness, mercy and grace, none of those definitions related to the one being forgiven, only to the forgives.

Further, if you look at grace as looking for and concentrating on the better qualities, it should be logical that those that are forgiving are exhibiting grace.

Practicing grace increases our mastery of love.

Being unforgiving hardens our own soul.
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The way I see it is, grace acts on the heart of the one being forgiven.
So not only does Jesus have grace towards us, he GIVES us this grace. If that makes sense. And that empowers us to make a change, from being offensive to being gracious. But we must receive it. And sometimes we must ask for it, otherwise, we wont receive it.

I will do a bit more study on it, but Im pretty sure God GIVES grace to the humble, yet resists the proud.

Also, Gods mercies are new each morning...mercy is something maybe you dont even need to ask for. God will give it anyway.
 
Lanolin said:
Thanks for responses, I just want to touch on something, that there is an unforgiveable sin that Jesus mentioned that is not forgiven in this world or the next. And
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Today under the New Covenant it is better viewed as.....Rejecting Christ.
It's the only thing that a person goes to hell for.....Rejecting What Jesus Did......
No Christ......No life with God
 
Lanolin said:
The way I see it is, grace acts on the heart of the one being forgiven.
So not only does Jesus have grace towards us, he GIVES us this grace. If that makes sense. And that empowers us to make a change, from being offensive to being gracious. But we must receive it. And sometimes we must ask for it, otherwise, we wont receive it.

I will do a bit more study on it, but Im pretty sure God GIVES grace to the humble, yet resists the proud.

Also, Gods mercies are new each morning...mercy is something maybe you dont even need to ask for. God will give it anyway.
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How as N.T Believers can we separate Grace from Mercy ?
 
Fish Catcher Jim said:
How as N.T Believers can we separate Grace from Mercy ?
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Um, as NT believers Mercy comes with Grace when we believe.
I think in OT they just had Mercy. People had covenant with God in OT and Jesus made a new covenant in the NT when the mercy seat was covered by Jesus blood sacrifice. i dont know if the throne of grace is the same thing as the mercy seat.

If they are exactly the same, why are they given different names?
 
FCJ grace is only given to believers.
Yet many of us believers live or work amongst people who do not believe (yet). We can show them mercy, but they will not accept grace. And it is not wise to give grace to people who wont receive it.

For example, Jesus says you cannot give what is holy to the dogs, for they will turn and rend you or cast pearls before swine.

Otherwise, as is the case with Annie and I am in no way diminishing her situation with her ex, you are playing into the enemies hands. It is a mercy that Annie does not have to live with her ex, if hes being cruel to her everytime she sees him.

God will avenge whatever wrong is perpeutated against the saints. There is no need for us to do what God can do. It is actually mercy that many people are alive now, because their judgment day is not here. But they cannot put off Gods judgment forever. God does give people time to repent, but grace does have its limits. Yes people can frustrate the grace of God. When Jesus said one can forgive seventy times seven, thats a huge number, but he did not say we can forgive times infinity. GOd wasnt going to send Jesus to be king of a nation who would not receive him, in fact, he was rejected and continues to be rejected by those who refuse to believe, and do not ask for Him.
 
Lanolin said:
grace is only given to believers.
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Just a thought: at least what the words meant to me personally: it may not agree with Mr. Webster : )

MERCY: the Giver gave to the Asker-Recipient as the Asker-Recipient did something wrong or the status is wrong.

GRACE: the Giver gave to the Recipient, regardless of what the Recipient did or status. (see: there is no "Asker" prefix)

Thus: MERCY is for Believers who one asked forgiveness... while GRACE is available to ALL.

“God resists the proud,
But gives grace to the humble.”

Interesting verse here: GRACE was USED, but as I see it: it is more of MERCY.

A humble man will ASK forgiveness or GUIDANCE, a proud man will not.

Just a thought.
 
Lanolin said:
Mercy I believe, is when God spares us the consequences of our actions, but it does not necessarily mean reconciliation. Mercy is what Our Father gives us, it can get us to a point where grace can begin, it can let go of whatever we or others did wrong, but we cant live in mercy all the time. Mercy allows us to move on, perhaps, wheras grace enables us to stay there.

What are your thoughts on mercy, grace, and forgiveness? What does scripture say?
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Related to the OP, post no.1: yes, i agree.. Indeed: MERCY allows us to MOVE ON... and what enable us to STAY THERE is GRACE.
 
Lanolin said:
Otherwise, as is the case with Annie and I am in no way diminishing her situation with her ex, you are playing into the enemies hands. It is a mercy that Annie does not have to live with her ex, if hes being cruel to her everytime she sees him.
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Lanolin again you really have no idea here and I am in no way playing into the enemies hands.

It's not about the ex being cruel either...


Lanolin said:
God does give people time to repent, but grace does have its limits.
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Grace will be evident until Jesus comes back. This Covenant we are under is Grace.
 
Lanolin said:
FCJ grace is only given to believers.
Yet many of us believers live or work amongst people who do not believe (yet). We can show them mercy, but they will not accept grace. And it is not wise to give grace to people who wont receive it.
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As far as Christian use these words
MERCY.....God NOT giving us what we deserve.

GRACE....God GIVING us something we DO NOT Deserve.


So we as believers show and exercise Mercy and Grace to Everyone.

Mercy
We don't retaliate back as an unsaved would demanding things our way....there are some infractions here though.......A believer will protect their family when need be.

Grace
We treat the unsaved as well with Love and Forgiveness. We treat them kindly even if they are treating us poorly.

The Work Place is a big place to put GRACE into action....

Blessings
 
Scripture please FCJ. I know you like to put things in caps, but it seems to be your opinion not scripture.
If you give scripture I will be more inclined to believe what you write, but, you havent give any.

Where do you work FCJ? Are you giving grace to the proud?
 
Fish Catcher Jim said:
Lanolin again you really have no idea here and I am in no way playing into the enemies hands.

It's not about the ex being cruel either...



Grace will be evident until Jesus comes back. This Covenant we are under is Grace.
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Annie just wrote that her ex was constantly being horrible to her. She is allowing him to get to her, but if shes separated its a mercy she does not have to live with him. So he can only be mean to her on occasion, not every single day.
 
aha said:
Just a thought: at least what the words meant to me personally: it may not agree with Mr. Webster : )

MERCY: the Giver gave to the Asker-Recipient as the Asker-Recipient did something wrong or the status is wrong.

GRACE: the Giver gave to the Recipient, regardless of what the Recipient did or status. (see: there is no "Asker" prefix)

Thus: MERCY is for Believers who one asked forgiveness... while GRACE is available to ALL.

“God resists the proud,
But gives grace to the humble.”

Interesting verse here: GRACE was USED, but as I see it: it is more of MERCY.

A humble man will ASK forgiveness or GUIDANCE, a proud man will not.

Just a thought.
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You have a bit mixed up. Mercy is available to all, grace is given to believers. This is why Jesus Christ can only come into your life IF you believe. If you do not believe, he cannot work in your life.
 
Lanolin said:
Annie just wrote that her ex was constantly being horrible to her. She is allowing him to get to her, but if shes separated its a mercy she does not have to live with him. So he can only be mean to her on occasion, not every single day.
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Lanolin I know you mean well but you really are not understanding what's involved here.
Blessings
 
Lanolin said:
Where do you work FCJ? Are you giving grace to the proud?
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Yes mam I sure do.
You are not understanding this scripture

Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.
6 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:

This has nothing to do with how we are to treat people But how we Are To Function before God and others.
 
Fish Catcher Jim said:
Scriptures? On what. The meaning of Grace and Mercy?
Walking in Love and Forgiveness?
What exactly do you want?
You say it's my opinion. ......
My opinion over what?

Thank you
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Yes please. Thanks. To edify us. The meaning of grace and mercy. I am sure there are plenty can you find them? So we can look them up.
 
Lanolin said:
Yes please. Thanks. To edify us. The meaning of grace and mercy. I am sure there are plenty can you find them? So we can look them up.
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That was actually a multiple choice.
What exactly do you want?

You say it's my opinion - so what do you base that conclusion on?

Just trying to make things clearly understood.
Thank you!
 
Fish Catcher Jim said:
That was actually a multiple choice.
What exactly do you want?

You say it's my opinion - so what do you base that conclusion on?

Just trying to make things clearly understood.
Thank you!
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I wrote can you please give us scriptures on the meaning of mercy and grace.
Your post never gave any scriptures of the meanings of mercy and grace. You just gave your opinion/assertion saying mercy was giving what we dont deserve and grace what we do deserve or some other confusing thing. Please give scripture references so we can look it up, because I dont quite believe this is correct according to scripture.



Can you do this or do I need to ask again? Do you understand english.

I will make it real simple. There are two things I am asking you.

1. Please provide us scriptures that explain the meanings of mercy.
2. Please provide us scriptures that explain the meaning of grace.

Thank you!
 
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