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1 Corinthians 2:9 King James Version (KJV)
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
 
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Yes but carry on reading 1 Corinthians 2:10-16

God has revealed it to us! Hallelujah. Not by the spirit of the world but by the spirit of God. So we can know about Heaven.
Hi Lanolin, just a quick note before heading off to sleep. For many many years, I had a misunderstanding of that Heaven is. Since then, what I have learned is that Heaven is only a brief stop for the children of God. We are destined to return to earth and, after final judgement, God will create a new earth where we will live, free of the misery we deal with now, for ever.

"Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God." (Revelations 21 (NIV))

God intended for us to live on earth and it is on earth that we will live.

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Hi Lanolin, just a quick note before heading off to sleep. For many many years, I had a misunderstanding of that Heaven is. Since then, what I have learned is that Heaven is only a brief stop for the children of God. We are destined to return to earth and, after final judgement, God will create a new earth where we will live, free of the misery we deal with now, for ever.

"Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God." (Revelations 21 (NIV))

God intended for us to live on earth and it is on earth that we will live.

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Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 King James Version (KJV)
5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 King James Version (KJV)
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Jews will be raised to live on Earth. Christians go to heaven.
 

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Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 King James Version (KJV)
5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 King James Version (KJV)
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Jews will be raised to live on Earth. Christians go to heaven.
Saul Mine, this is the first I have heard of this.

My understanding is that heaven and earth will become one "to be put into effect when the times reach their fulfillment—to bring unity to all things in heaven and on earth under Christ." (Ephesians 1:10 (NIV)) and that God Himself will live on the new earth: "I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God." (Revelations 21: 2-3 (NIV))

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What JEsus revealed to John in the book of revelation...we have a description of it which I was referring to in this thread about the last chapter were it says theres a pure river of life, as clear as crystal proceeding out of the throne of the lamb. Theres the tree of life, bearing twelve fruits in twelve months and the leaves of the tree arefor the healing of nations. I suspect it is an olive because of the two witnesses described as olives in the previous chapters.


The descriptions of heaven echo the garden of eden before the fall..with the rivers, precious stones, and tree of life. Saints are clothed in white robes, and they are waving palms and singing praises to God.

You can read all this in book of Revelation. Nothing stopping you from reading it! In fact, The book of revelation says anyone who reads it will be blessed. Jesus did ask John to write it and we are blessed to have heaven revealed to us while we still in our mortal bodies. Just a glimpse though of His glory. We are going to see Him face to face.
 

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What JEsus revealed to John in the book of revelation...we have a description of it which I was referring to in this thread about the last chapter were it says theres a pure river of life, as clear as crystal proceeding out of the throne of the lamb. Theres the tree of life, bearing twelve fruits in twelve months and the leaves of the tree arefor the healing of nations. I suspect it is an olive because of the two witnesses described as olives in the previous chapters.


The descriptions of heaven echo the garden of eden before the fall..with the rivers, precious stones, and tree of life. Saints are clothed in white robes, and they are waving palms and singing praises to God.

You can read all this in book of Revelation. Nothing stopping you from reading it! In fact, The book of revelation says anyone who reads it will be blessed. Jesus did ask John to write it and we are blessed to have heaven revealed to us while we still in our mortal bodies. Just a glimpse though of His glory. We are going to see Him face to face.
Hi, again. Once again, I cannot tell is you are responding to me or just making a general comment.

The description you are highlighting appears to be that of the New Earth and not actually heaven, but I do agree that it is the re-birth of the Garden of Eden. I am still trying t fully understand the idea of a New Earth and Heaven (Isaiah 65:17); new Garden of Eden (Genesis 2, Ezekiel 47); and a new Jerusalem (Isaiah 2, Zephaniah 3). Am also interested in the meaning of these numbers (2, 7, 10, 12).

I did find an interesting source to determine the meaning of numbers in the bible: http://www.biblestudy.org/bibleref/meaning-of-numbers-in-bible/1.html

"Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations. No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him. They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads. There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever." (Revelations 22: 1 - 5 (NIV))

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Hi, again. Once again, I cannot tell is you are responding to me or just making a general comment.

The description you are highlighting appears to be that of the New Earth and not actually heaven, but I do agree that it is the re-birth of the Garden of Eden. I am still trying t fully understand the idea of a New Earth and Heaven (Isaiah 65:17); new Garden of Eden (Genesis 2, Ezekiel 47); and a new Jerusalem (Isaiah 2, Zephaniah 3). Am also interested in the meaning of these numbers (2, 7, 10, 12).

I did find an interesting source to determine the meaning of numbers in the bible: http://www.biblestudy.org/bibleref/meaning-of-numbers-in-bible/1.html

"Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations. No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him. They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads. There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever." (Revelations 22: 1 - 5 (NIV))

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Heaven comes down to earth. Is how I understand it.

Be blessed.

I do write general comments in reply to everyone, and usually I do that to get things back to the topic of the OP.
 
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Am much better now after a week of laying low.


Talking with Jesus..I wonder if we'll all get to have appointments alone with Him cos everyone will want to see Him I expect. But since we have eternity, I suppose it wont matter. I would want to go for a walk with Jesus on water. Ive always been afraid of the water and not a good swimmer.
 

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Am much better now after a week of laying low.


Talking with Jesus..I wonder if we'll all get to have appointments alone with Him cos everyone will want to see Him I expect. But since we have eternity, I suppose it wont matter. I would want to go for a walk with Jesus on water. Ive always been afraid of the water and not a good swimmer.
Well, the good news is that, if you get to walk on water, you do not have to worry about swimming. :)