Right on. That's what you see with Paul in Acts 19 too.
AMEN !!I like referring to all the like chapter in Acts, like Acts chapter 2, 10, and 19 I am glad in The Word that when Luke wrote the Book of Acts there was not just one example, but multiple examples, of the proper steps to salvation, and that one of the main signs of being baptized with the Holy Ghost was speaking in tongues.
Charismatic.......wow that's NOT a Bible word !! It's a weak stereo type insult.......There are different types of tongues, but the initial evidence of receiving the Holy Ghost is speaking with tongues. OK smarty pants: if tongues is not the bona-fide Bible proof (which can be easily backed up scripturally) Then what is ????Charismatic's give me a chill ..
satan is very good at forgeries ..
but his forgeries have flaws ..
In Acts chapter 10 when the Holy Ghost was first poured out upon the Gentiles, they received the Holy Ghost before being baptized in the ONLY one saving name of Jesus Christ.
We are NOT born again "before" we receive the Holy Ghost, receiving the Holy Ghost is part of our salvation. John3:5 says we must be born of water (baptism in Jesus' name) and the Spirit (baptism of the Holy Ghost).Poor Banjo, our brother is perplexed and suffering, you all are arguing and his still hasn't had his question answered, sure brings to mind what Paul said, 1 Cor 13:1
Banjo my friend, if you are still here, I'll try to explain from Scripture so that it will make sense to you.
First you need to understand there are three words used in the Word to explain the work or action of the Holy Spirit in the lives of all humans, those three words are, with, in and upon.
The Holy Spirit is with a human to draw that person to Christ, John 14:16
When a person is born again the Holy Spirit lives in side of that person, John 20:22
When a born again believer is ready for ministry then the Holy Spirit comes upon that person Acts 1:8, 13:2
When we come to Christ as lost sinners destined for Hell and ask Jesus to forgive us of our sins and save us it is because the Holy Spirit is with us drawing us to Christ, after we are born again we have the Holy Spirit in side of us ( that is we have the Holy Spirit) so since we want to be identified with Jesus as Christian or Christ followers we are baptized, now the Word describes us as babies in Christ that need to grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ to mature into children, then teenagers and finally adults 1 Jn 2:12-14. During this process of maturity we have the Holy Spirit, but He doesn't have us and He won't come upon us until we are ready to submit ourselves totally to Him, that's why Jesus told the disciples to tarry (wait) in Jerusalem for the Spirit to come upon them, if we carefully read the story we see there is a time of waiting before the Holy Spirit comes upon us for ministry, it always His timing and not ours
So to answer your question there is an illustration of receiving the Holy Spirit found in the story of Noah, the ark is a symbol or type of salvation, there was a door in the side of the ark Jn 10:7, Noah entered in and God shut the door, we read there was a window that Noah could open, the window was there for light, just like we are responsible for how much light we allow into our souls and then we read Noah sent out a dove, it came back with an olive leaf in it's beak and Noah reached out with his hand and took the dove and pulled her inside with him, the dove is used as a symbol or type of the Holy Spirit in the Word, so then it's an example for us to reach out in faith and take the Holy Spirit to us.
There is one more bird mentioned in this story, a raven, ravens eat carrion, that means there were dead bodies floating on the water, because the raven didn't come back to Noah, however we read the dove didn't find rest for her foot, and the word rest is used figuratively for a home, so, that is a lesson for us which means for a believer to have the Holy Spirit come upon them for ministry, He must be at rest, that is there is rest in the soul, his cleanup work has been accomplished, the believer is well grounded in doctrine, then the Holy Spirit has us and we can be used by Him as an instrument/tool to bring glory to Jesus Christ.
I hope that helps, I have tried to answer your question, but you have to receive in faith what the Holy Spirit is doing in your life where you are at today and learn to be patient and content whatever the circumstances may be, it's a growing process and we grow by faith and that takes time, may I suggest you continue reading the Word and allow the will of the Holy Spirit be accomplished in your life, He is faithful and will complete the work He has started.
We are NOT born again "before" we receive the Holy Ghost, receiving the Holy Ghost is part of our salvation.
John3:5 says we must be born of water (baptism in Jesus' name) and the Spirit (baptism of the Holy Ghost).
My apologies...I use the King James - I did not include the whole verse.Isn't that what I said????
What version are you using that is translated that way?
This is what my KJ and Textus Receptus says,
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. John 3:5
It is in the timing of you asking. To put it off as some automatic future event is going to keep you from ever being Baptized in the Holy Spirit and speaking in tongues.
We're talking about the "initial" evidence of the Holy Ghost, not gifts of the Spirit or Fruit of the Spirit. Believe it or not there are alot of very good hearted, loving people that are not Spirit filled. A changed life, a good attitude, a loving spirit are NOT "initial" evidence of the baptism of the Holy Ghost. When a person is filled-----They will speak with tongues 100% of the time- No exceptions.It is in the timing of the Holy Spirit, ...the gift of the Holy Spirit empowering the Church (coming upon) was given on the day of Pentecost, a one time event, however, any born again child of God can ask for the gift, but the timing is always up to the Holy Spirit
Evidence of receiving the gift or empowering or baptism of the Holy Spirit is the Agape love of the Holy Spirit manifested in our lives and walk with the people in the world Mark 5:43-47 (so, if a person really wants to know if they have the baptism of the Holy Spirit, then they should go ask their enemies if they see Jesus in them ...or some self-righteous pew warmer), not everyone who is empowered or baptized with the Holy Spirit speaks in tongues. 1 Cor 12:30
They will speak with tongues 100% of the time- No exceptions.
Sorry bro, can't go there with you on that, what do you do with the rhetorical question of Paul?
Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? 1 Cor 12:30 ...Paul's would answer no
Please, all of you that are saying everyone must talk in tongues, stop with all of the Scriptures, Ive heard all of them hundreds if not thousands of times, I ask this because of my personal walk of faith with the Lord for these past 27 years,