Is It A Sin To Not Believe In The Trinity Or That Jesus Is God?

Sometimes google is our friend :)

http://www.biblestudies-online.com/Bible Studies/Basics/LtoLive/LtoLive_htm/LtoL_9.htm

Or if anyone is up to reading a great wall of txt there's this

http://www.biblebelievers.com/kam/kam_002.html

What Does The Bible Say About God Being Three Persons in One (The Trinity)?



COMMENT: Although the Word of God does not specifically use the term "trinity", the idea of three persons in one certainly is taught throughout the Scriptures. Even when you look at God's creation, you can see without much trouble that the idea of three in one is built into it. Let's look at a few examples:

a. A human being is made up of a spirit, a soul and a body, yet that person is one person.
b. An atom is made up of 3 basic parts - a neutron, proton and an electron, yet the atom is one.
c. Water appears in 3 forms - liquid, ice and vapor, yet water is one.
d. Time is past, present and future.
e. A family must include at least a Father, Mother and Child (three persons) yet it is one family.
These are but a few examples of how three in one can be illustrated from nature.
Gen 3:22 And the Lord God said, "Now that the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil, he must not be allowed to stretch out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever."
In Genesis 3:22 does God say, (a.) "the man is become as me. (b.) "the man is become as one of us."?

Or if anyone is up to reading a great wall of txt there's this

http://www.biblebelievers.com/kam/kam_002.html

Notice that in Genesis God speaks of Himself as "us" or "our", which points out that He recognizes Himself as more than one personality. In Matthew He speaks as one name yet three are mentioned. The "us" points out that God is three in one.
 
@Dirty

OK, I'll take a look at the site, but the scripture you provided me doesn't do much. The Word is God. Where is Jesus in all of this? It mentions nothing of him. So where in the bible does it talk about all three being one and where it also mentions Christ as being included in that?
 
Dirtyrottensinner said:
I think the idea of the "Trinity" requires us to exercise our faith...

I too had a hard time dealing with this issue so I understand what you mean.

To paraphrase my Pastor: "if it's not real (the Bible), then what do we have to lose?" Meaning: if the Bible is not truth, then there is no Hell, condemnation, and as the unbelievers would say-religion is a tool for control. But if it is true (and I KNOW it is) think of the ramifications?

I have to exercise my faith so I recall the things that God did in Jesus form on Earth: feeding the multitudes, healing the sick, dumb, deaf and blind, walking on water, controlling the weather, disappearing, casting out demons, RAISING the dead, RESURRECTION, ascension, etc...

My Bible says 'the three are one'-OKAY! We are living in the time of faith-as in our 'generation' will not be given any sign accept that of Jonas- whereas the Son of Man will be in the Earth 3 days and rise again.

Matthew 12:39-40, Luke 11:29-30

Our Faith is foolishness to unbelievers: 1 Corinthians 1:18-27

You might find this interesting:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mB5Aw14e4M&noredirect=1

I know there is a better quality version somewhere on You Tube
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I have faith that God exits and that Jesus is who he says he is. I have faith in what the Word says. What I don't have faith in is someones interpretation of the Word, unless the Word spells it out as clearly as Jesus says he is our savior. That, my friend is quite clear.

If you are to questions someones faith on the basis of not believing the trinity, you are then making a very good argument for JW's, Mormons, and any other religions who interpret the bible supposedly incorrectly. When a JW states that Jesus is not literally the Son of God, we can see that is in direct opposite of the bible. OK, point refuted. However, if we as "true Christians" are to ascertain a similar thought based on interpretation for something that is not clearly described in the bible, we are then being hypocritical towards other religions, are we not?

Anyhow, I read the entire scripture and I get it now :) You are correct~
 
Lifeasweknowit said:
I have faith that God exits and that Jesus is who he says he is. I have faith in what the Word says. What I don't have faith in is someones interpretation of the Word, unless the Word spells it out as clearly as Jesus says he is our savior. That, my friend is quite clear.

If you are to questions someones faith on the basis of not believing the trinity, you are then making a very good argument for JW's, Mormons, and any other religions who interpret the bible supposedly incorrectly. When a JW states that Jesus is not literally the Son of God, we can see that is in direct opposite of the bible. OK, point refuted. However, if we as "true Christians" are to ascertain a similar thought based on interpretation for something that is not clearly described in the bible, we are then being hypocritical towards other religions, are we not?

Anyhow, I read the entire scripture and I get it now :) You are correct~
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My dear,

I wasn't questioning your faith-I stated it is an exercise in faith. Like any muscle- God like spiritual characteristics must be used to be effective. We have to 'exercise' love, mercy, grace, forgiveness, faith, righteousness, justice, patience, compassion, long suffering, etc...

I wasn't questioning your faith-but when we lack faith or any other aspect that is Godly-we have to make it stronger by exercising it-the test is doing that exercise when we don't want too.
 
YES! I understand and I was so caught up I forgot to put in there that wasn't directed towards me (I know you weren't questioning mine at all) anyhow miscommunication but you provided the scripture that pulled the wool from over my eyes.

It's crazy because that was it. That was ALL I needed to read to understand everything!! Thank you!!!!!!!
 
Dirtyrottensinner said:
I don't claim to understand the 'Trinity':
1 John 5:7 (the 'Word' being Jesus Christ REF: John 1)

But to answer your question, it would seem to me to deny one of the three would be to deny God Himself: Matthew 12:31-32, Mark 3:28-29

I would say it would be a sin.
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I'm so sorry I didn't read this entirely when you posted it. I kind of feel bad now for having you all go through the work of explaining it. Thank you for being patient with me...
 
Glomung said:
Anything pertinent that you would want to know about the anti-Christ is in Daniel.
The "son of perdition". He is also referred to as the "little horn" that speaks blasphemies.

The long and short of it is, he will be a political leader who comes from nowhere essentially,
he will rise through the ranks of world government, murdering 3 potentates along the way,
he will have no interest in women, believe in a "god of forces" (must be a Sith) and will put a statue of himself in the Holy of Holies in the temple in Jerusalem. Once in power he will rule destructively, killing all who oppose him, Christians in particular.
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Absolutely Glo!
 
Rusty said:
Yes gents...this is the literalism/Furturist interpretation since the Counter-Reformation. It was not held by Reformationists and few major Protestants accepted it until Darby and Schofield in the late 19th century.

It is not my view.
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I understand your view. I have total respect for your view Rusty.

But as to Darby and Schofield bringing it to light in the 19th century, may I pose a question.

Wasn't the truth of their exergesis always in the Scripture?

For example: The teaching of the Trinity did not appear until the 11th century. Does that mean that it was not always in the Scriptures?

"Justification" by faith was not taught until 1500"s and Luther brought it to light. Does that mean it was not always in the Scriptures until he exposed it ?

We can go on and on like this and my only point is that God only gives us what we can handle in portions. If we had the meaning of every Word of God when it was given, our brains would explode! God gave His Word in portions so that we could absord it IMO.

Daniel 12:4...........
"But thou oh Daniel shut up the words and seal the book, even to the time of the end; many shall run to and fro and knowlede shall be increased".

Daniel 12:9...........
"And he said, Go thy way Daniel; for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. Many shall be purified and made white and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly; and none of the wicked shall understand, but the wise shall understand".

That Scripture has been available for about 3000 years. If we are living in the End Times (And I believe that to be true)
Dosen't that Scripture speak to you ????
 
They say once you become a JW your one for life, even when leaving the pull will always be there. Kicking herioin would be easier. This thread has reminded me of someone that is feeling that pull whether she knows it or not.

Alls not lost there is a site for recovering Ex Jehovah Witnesses needing help. I suggest unless this forum is helping then try that place cause they are all in the same boat and know how to help each other(y)
 
I_Survived_The_Eighties said:
They say once you become a JW your one for life, even when leaving the pull will always be there. Kicking herioin would be easier. This thread has reminded me of someone that is feeling that pull whether she knows it or not.

Alls not lost there is a site for recovering Ex Jehovah Witnesses needing help. I suggest unless this forum is helping then try that place cause they are all in the same boat and know how to help each other(y)
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Where on earth did you hear this (the first sentence)? and which "place" are you referring to? Thanks for your input.~
 
yes it is a sin not to believe that jesus is God.. as he is the only one that can save us..he save that all who believe in him shall have eternal life.. only him
 
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