Brother Michael, please also continue to defend your understanding and God be willing we should all be edified by all these discussions...the Lord bless
In His love
brother Paul
Praise God, I don't try to get wrapped up in it. Funny you said Trinity Folks think your oneness and Oneness think your Trinity. The correct term for that would be a Modelist. You say Trinitarian mostly but you attempt to prove a ONE God only picture with scriptures.
YOU CAN'T PROVE TRINITY with scripture because you will come out Modelist every single time. Modelist lean to oneness and sway back to Trinity.
Trinity never attempted to prove itself in scripture. It's a Mystery of the Christian Faith. Since it's a Mystery by definition then there has to be zero scriptural proof. All 3 are God of God. So each is a God, and all 3 are of God. (Niacin Council) Whatever that is suppose to mean. Each is separate but all of God, or Godhead. This is more or less sort of how the Disciples saw Jesus and God, Neither the same person, but of the same operation.
But to us there is but
one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and
one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
(1Co 8:6)
1+1=2
Eph 6:23 Peace be to the brethren, and love with faith, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
1+1=2
Php 1:2 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
1+1=2 Grace from 2 sources, not just one.
Joh 15:15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
Lord and Father. 1+1=2
So on and on and on.
I am not willing to pretend I forgot how to add to believe a religious concept that nobody understands or has been to Heaven and back with full explanation.
Gal 3:20 Now a mediator
is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
1Ti 2:5 For there is
one God, and
one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
It takes two, to mediate. God and the Law doomed us when the other mediator was the law.
1+1=2
The confusion comes from the religious idea of what God means. God is just a class of something. It's not a person. When religious folks hear the Word God they think in One's.
Trinity came from the argument of the divinity of Jesus. It did not come to protect the idea of monotheism. That was not the Original argument. Alexandria tried to make Jesus some lesser deity.
Scripture says Jesus is God, like His father. A son is no different in class than the Father. No more than our children are sub-humans to us.
Joh 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
Joh 1:10 in the world he was, and
the world through him was made, and the world did not know him:
This is where the KJV translated the Word through to by.
Dia in Greek means a channel through something else. By the reason of, or for the sake of something.
God the Father made everything through and for Jesus His son.
YLT:
because
in him were the all things created, those in the heavens, and those upon the earth, those visible, and those invisible, whether thrones, whether lordships, whether principalities, whether authorities;
all things through him, and for him, have been created,
(Col 1:16)
KJV
For by (
dia for the reason of, for the sake of) him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by (
dia for the reason of, for the sake of) him, and for him:
(Col 1:16)
Hebrews gives us the 3rd witness.
KJV:
God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son,
whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
(Heb 1:1-2)
God appointed Jesus heir to all things by whom God made the Worlds for the son, and sent the son to speak to us in the last days.
I'll just stick to the many scriptural wittiness and not get caught up in the rest.
Jesus has always been, always will be and always is. He is the I am, being here with the Father who made all things for the son to have dominion.
Jesus is not 1/3 part of a God as Oneness suggest, and He is not the 2nd person in the Godhead as trinity suggest. He is God, King of Kings, Lord of Lords and has been given all things.
Blessings.
