Love and Forgiveness
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I agree and no one said that hermeneutics is the Holy Spirit!!! It is the process whereby the Holy Spirit teaches us the Word of God.
Not any slack from my brother. I actually agree somewhat. I have seen some who come out of school and are as dumb as a rock.
They went to school but did not learn anything. That is a personal problem not a process problem of hermeneutics.
You see Jim, If a man goes to college/seminary to be a brain surgeon and wants learn how to do it, but is not committed to it he only gets educated. But if a man is totally sold out to being a brain surgeon he will not only learn how to do it but will be committed to actually doing it. Who can operate on a brain without the education to know how to do it and who better to learn that than from another brain surgeon???
What about a truck driver?? If he wants to be one and all he does is jump in the truck and begins to drive, does his want to make him acceptable to do it? Don't you think he should LEARN the proper laws and things that would help him be a better truck driver?
Maybe from other truck drivers??????
I think some of you very well meaning people do not understand this process and have been exposed to some really bad people who have left you hurt and disappointed. Maybe I am wrong and I apologize if I said something to hurt anyone but this seems to be a case of not understanding the process more than anything else.
Can a man come out of a place of higher education, a Christian seminary and be a lost man with some very bad understanding of the Bible? YES!!!!! But that can not be blamed on a process of understand called "hermeneutics". That just is not what it is all about.
Bible hermeneutics best described in 2 Timothy 2:15.............
"Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."
Jim....I have no idea who the 20 or so people you are talking about are. I have looked back over the thread and I do not see any obnoxious or angry responses and I am positive that the moderators would have stepped in.
I know that I have not been that way toward you and if I have unknowingly......please let me know as that it not my goal in life.
And you are correct when you said......"Being educated is one thing but Hermeneutics does not mean educated."
It is the process of learning Jim, it is the science and methodology of Bible study interpretation. One of the most fundamental principles of Bible interpretation is to interpret the Bible in light of God's character. If a particular interpretation contradicts God's character, that interpretation is wrong.
Going to college/seminary does not make anyone saved or spirit filled and I would prefer that person as well as you. But I would also like someone to know what it is that they are telling me and not something that they just thought up. That may or may not be Biblical.
True story. As I was growing up I was told by my father that a divorced man can not be a deacon in the church and that the Bible says so. This is still a very popular teaching in Baptist churches today. I knew my father would not lie and so for years I believed him. Then one day many years later Dr. Hinson talked about this very same thing in school. He made it a point to tell us that the word "DIVORCED" is not in the Bible directions given by Paul on the qualifications of a deacon. The actual words as I am sure you know is that "He must be the husband of ONE wife". That does not mean divorced!
Well that changed everything. It means a deacon MUST be a married man instead of NOT BEING a divorced man. You see, a little light changes a dark room.
They probably just meant translation, like how it says in the bible when speaking tongues to interpret otherwise ppl dont know what you onabout if another language.
But since we all on here read and speak english anyway, dont really need that kind of interpretation, we can all read the same bible. the Word is plain, after all, and God speaks for Himself.
But since we all on here read and speak english anyway, dont really need that kind of interpretation, we can all read the same bible. the Word is plain, after all, and God speaks for Himself.
True, but, if we are all reading the same Bible, and that scripture is God breathed...
Maybe some ppl just not reading the bible properly or they got the wrong one.
I guess both go together, if you are abiding in the Spirit, then He will show you what the scripture means.
God does not speak to us through faulty scriptures. The scripture cannot be broken, but satan will always tries to twist its meaning. Jesus pretty much just quoted scripture and the devil had to leave...even when the devil tried to quote some back Jesus knew the context of it.
Maybe some ppl just not reading the bible properly or they got the wrong one.
I guess both go together, if you are abiding in the Spirit, then He will show you what the scripture means.
God does not speak to us through faulty scriptures. The scripture cannot be broken, but satan will always tries to twist its meaning. Jesus pretty much just quoted scripture and the devil had to leave...even when the devil tried to quote some back Jesus knew the context of it.
God also preserves his Word.
Many detractors try and say well, other manuscripts say this and this and get mighty confused cos someobody copied it down wrong...but Gods Word is true and does not contradict itself. Ive found this to be true. If it does seem so, there is something wrong with our understanding at fault and we need to ask God.
Often He shows me another passage which makes it clear. reading the bible piecemeal is not a good way to read it. Most of it is a story, not an telephone directory. You have to have at least read the whole thing before you even try to apply it all to your life. Ive heard professed christians say they never read the Old Testament. Or skip over books cos they dont like them. Um...???
Many detractors try and say well, other manuscripts say this and this and get mighty confused cos someobody copied it down wrong...but Gods Word is true and does not contradict itself. Ive found this to be true. If it does seem so, there is something wrong with our understanding at fault and we need to ask God.
Often He shows me another passage which makes it clear. reading the bible piecemeal is not a good way to read it. Most of it is a story, not an telephone directory. You have to have at least read the whole thing before you even try to apply it all to your life. Ive heard professed christians say they never read the Old Testament. Or skip over books cos they dont like them. Um...???
See, I have a bit of a problem with the fact that there are so many versions of the bible because I have seen(with my own eyes) several instances where the same verses say different things when comparing different versions. I'm not talking about something minor either like the use of a couple of different words that mean basically the same thing. I am talking about changing the meaning. I find this fact disturbing because it leaves me wondering which version I should trust. I own a total of 8 different versions of the bible, 6 complete bibles and 2 new testaments that I can refer to.
Hello Mykuhl,
I know what you mean there. For a long time I used a version and truly liked it but I kept hearing things quoted that I could not find. So I prayed and God sent me a study bible KJV and I have a couple of easier reads as well. I like the amp and kjv together and I use a nlt I believe.
I rely on the Holy Spirit to guide me and when a scripture pops I look at it in all translations and prayer of course and keep doing this. God tend to bring me to a teaching built around the scripture a lot too. Prayer and following His lead is the very best thing that I have found that works for me.
Blessings and do not settle but seek ask knock
Shoot I missed this one Major.
Yes sir I do agree with education. I could not have succedded with Fishing as well as i did if I had not learned. Of coursde it was God and the blessign in which taught me and some men God placed in my life who were successful charter boat captains and guides and tournament fishermen. Some of them in real time and some of them through wrtitten material as well as vcr tapes and not store bought stuff.
No Maajor I do not believe it was hurt as much as frustration. Like I said and I hope it came across this way in another reply that I am talking about majority and not the whole. There are far to many who push this study as ther only true biblicsal way to study scripture and God does not give insight or speak to you through the Holy spirit about such things. Now I know this is false for even I myself rely on His teaching and leading me through out His written word.
Another problem I was speaking about that I was coming across was this same bunch tend to have this huge following ageeing one wityh another on things that most babes would question. Twisting scripture tomeet their view. Claiming any scripture any one else uses is out of context and only the scriptures they use can be used in the way they use them.
It is all stemmed from Head Knowledge and no real spiritual understanding to speak of.
It is these type of folks who limit God and led Christians to live a defeated life because God is God and does not help us. Oh yea in one of these debates it was told to me by many that Even if you follow Gods every word and Obey God there is no guarantee or we have no right to believe our life will get better...
They influence people to believing that God will not make their life better and in doing so everything the devil throws at them they except it and give credit to God for it. Now that there brother is dummer then a box of rocks. Hey I like rocks. lol Best said it is like crying out to God for help and then using His written word (bible) under the leg of their table to level it out and study mans theology with out the Spirits input.
This is where I was speaking from. Again please understand I am not talking about the whole but majority....
Thank You for talking with me
God Bless
Jim
As I said Jim, I do agree with you in most all of what you said. I talk with you because I love you and respect your thoughts.
My point is that just like in fishing, there are corrupt fishermen just as there are corrupt preachers.
There are bad brain surgeons just as there are good one and we could go on and on and on. My contention is that those people are bad by choice and going to a place of higher education is not the one to blame. It is the PERSON not the PLACE.
Now as for your thinking of..........
"Twisting scripture to meet their view. Claiming any scripture any one else uses is out of context and only the scriptures they use can be used in the way they use them."
Now Jim, you are very smart and you know as well as I do that that statement runs both ways my brother. It is not something that should cause you any frustration at all. Every single person has the ability to read the exact same Scripture that you and I do and we can all choose to believe what we want it to say. Every person can listen and read the exegesis of others and make a determination based on the Scriptures as to what it says.That is the great thing that God gave to us....FREEDOM of CHOICE!
Romans 14:5........
"One man esteemth one day above another, another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind"
Read the bible prayerfully.
I guess thats the way to go about it, not as if you were cutting it up with scissors. The holy spirit will guide you to the right passages, or draw your attention to them.
It isnt, open the bible to random page, close your eyes, point and look where your thumb lands.
I guess thats the way to go about it, not as if you were cutting it up with scissors. The holy spirit will guide you to the right passages, or draw your attention to them.
It isnt, open the bible to random page, close your eyes, point and look where your thumb lands.
When one consults many versions, one is even less likely to experience confusion.
I agree with you Jim and I do this as well. It really does guide me in understanding.
I just wish the task wasn't made more difficult by all these different versions.
Why is anything made more difficult when God has provided us the luxury of many English translations for our benefit? We are a blessed people!
It is made more difficult because in some cases different versions say different things within the same verses. That my dear sister is confusing.