Don't misinterpret what I said, because a desire to be with your spouse is ideal. But when one separates a part of the spouse by means of contraception, love can begin to form into lust because it's a demand for only part, not all.
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Don't misinterpret what I said, because a desire to be with your spouse is ideal. But when one separates a part of the spouse by means of contraception, love can begin to form into lust because it's a demand for only part, not all.
I would have to agree with you in part that a married couple any married couple needs to keep their sex life in check so that it doesn't turn from love to lust however I'm not sure if contraception would be the cause. When God speaks of marriage one of the most important aspects he mentions is the secual relationship and to make sure it's regular as it's an essential aspect of the marriage union. I have to say if we keep our intimate relations under the authority of our Lord Jesus Christ, I believe our children would come at just the right times and in the correct season for the family. It's another area some Christians find issues discussing with God in prayer, it was invented for marriage, child-bearing and for mutual pleasure between spouses...
Lust has a connotation of strongy wanting something forbidden. In scripture is usually found in context of wanting something in a wrong way. Lusting for your husband could be wanting him to provide you something in a way that he would not normally do.
I think the more appropriate word would be to "desire" your husband, which has a meaning as having a "appetite" for.
When it comes to sex, lusting for your husband would probably only be possible if you wanted something for which you shouldn't expect him to give you.
I'm glad you said this. Some things, by their own nature, can only be a misuse. Murder is a misuse. Rape is a misuse. Degrading someone is a misuse, and none of these can be used properly by their own nature. The reason why contraception is also a misuse is because it is a dismissal of what marriage was intended to be -- a sincere vocation between one man, one woman, and in the fullness of God's love, and ONLY God's love. Not part of it should be redirected, no part of it should be reduced, and no part of it should be dismissed.
Christians, not just Catholics, but all kinds of Christians expressed great concern during the rise of birth control. They predicted a culture that objectifies women, a culture of divorce and infidelity, a culture that permits abortion, and even going as far as a government that begins interjecting in favor of contraception (such as the HHS mandate). And there are documents dating back in the 50s like Humanae Vitae that go into depth of it.
The question is why is it that only in the past 40 years have Christians began to accept contraception? Why not then? Where they stupid and didn't know any better?
I think they were confused and therefore got it wrong, so yes.
I have 3 kids. I planned on having only 2 but I guess God saw different. I made the choice to get a vasectomy so my family would not be financially burdened by having more kids. Kids are expensive!
I could see contraception as a bad thing if the population was not replenishing itself but it's actually the opposite. We have a population that is growing out of control.
I'd argue that it doesn't always have to be contraception as the cause. Sometimes it's porn. Sometimes its masturbation. Sometimes its some other outside perversion or grudge against a spouse. Though while these are sincere problems and no one ought to embrace these, contraception likewise ought not be left out.
This sounds extreme, but would Satan not be clever enough to use a tool like contraception to bring destruction to the family? Largely it has, and how clever to even use it to counter clear evils like abortion (ever heard the case that contraception can end abortion?)
Would you please elaborate as to what you mean by this?
Because from the read of that first part of your observation this part appears to be contradictory:
The argument I tend to hear is "I believe in the sanctity of life, but I also believe in the value of life -- therefore [issue] is right." The value of life is extremely important, but not at the cost of another life or God's immediate plan. God granted you a third child, which I'm sure you're extremely thankful for, but you then decided to have a procedure to make sure God couldn't overstep your bounds again...I don't mean to sandbag you and I'm not meaning it as an attack, but that's the disconnect.
I'll be honest, I've never heard anyone admit that. I commend you for your honesty.
How about the ultimate in contraception?
Mat 19:12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others--and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."
Mat 19:12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others--and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."
I'm confused. Are you suggesting individuals who remain celibate are using a means of contraception? Do you know what contraception is? And don't you agree that people who are not married should remain celibate?
Being celebrate doesn't fulfill this.
By the way, when my wife got pregnant with out 3rd child she was on the pill. God went around that. I'm sure if he wanted me to have another he would go around my vasectomy.
I was waiting for someone to make this argument. In fact, I addressed it much earlier in the thread. Naturally God could go around it -- He did with Mary. But what He can do is not the subject, it's a matter of how we respond to Him. By actively trying to dismiss God by some means, there is a problem.
I certainly hope so!
I ought to respond to this too so that I don't leave you hanging...
Celibacy is not for the married just as sex is not for the unmarried. And the core reason why we don't have the authority to condone gay marriage as valid marriage is because it's a sidesteps God's blueprint for marriage. Likewise, contraception sidesteps God's blueprint for marriage. But those who do not marry must remain celibate and chaste.
I haven't fussed against that. There's a difference between thinking practically and thinking disobediently. I'm not suggesting you're a bad guy or that you don't love God or that I'm better than you in any way. But I am trying to bring forward the case of why birth control always has been regarded as a sin.
Love within a marriage, pure love, does not turn to self -- it turns to the spouse. This is the idea of NFP -- it doesn't rob the family of being responsible, but while doing that, doesn't rob the marriage of its holy dignity.
I think when people here a 5 second explanation of what NFP is, they think it's just the rhythm method. There's much more to it, and it's the motive behind it that especially offers reason to why it's not contraception, but a means to welcome dignity back into the family.
But if we decide contraception isn't wrong, what good is arguing why gay marriage is wrong? Gay marriage is wrong for the same reason contraception is wrong. It interjects God's authority of what marriage literally is.
You love a strawman argument brother.
Would you consider a vasectomy as a contraceptive method? Contraception is a method or device used to prevent pregnancy. People who are either married or not use this to stop pregnancy. There are those who are gifted by God to abstain from getting married and having children, and then there are others who are chemically or physically castrated to prevent the same. Those who have decided to live like eunuchs have a gift from God to abstain. The Apostle Paul considered himself to be gifted in being able to be single. Those who are married are also gifted for that purpose. The Holy Spirit could be considered a means of contraception to those who are gifted by God to stay single.
1Co 7:7 I wish that all of you were as I am. But each of you has your own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that.
1Co 7:8 Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do.
..... there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it." Mark 19:12
ASUK, it's not a strawman argument -- it's grounded in principle. Attacking my character doesn't give reason to why contraception is OK.
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