Questions On The Book Of Revelations

Exactly, I am rocking back and forth on the Preterist views and what the churches believe. The scales more on the Preterist views. I got attacked for asking about it at another forum and got banned from it. I am doing nothing different in here then I did in there. Makes me sad.

With all due respect and honesty..........I feel like you had already decided what you believe and really did not start this thread to learn but to further your agenda of Preterism.

That is of course your right to do so.

May the Lord bless you my friend and I do hope your eyes will opened to the truth of God's Word but I feel this is not productive at this point.
 
I know churches teach that the book of Revelation has yet to be fulfilled. I seem to be swaying more that parts of it already happened in 70 A.D. I read the accounts of Josephus which point to more of tribulation within Israel and the lands surrounding it fulfill John's writings.

I wanted other input of fellow Christians. Why they believe it is yet to come, or still needs to be finished.
OK, so if you are of a mind to, take things one step at a time.
Rev 1:1,2. The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2 who bore witness to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw.
The point to note here is not so much the "things that must soon take place" or that might have already happened, rather "The revelation of Jesus Christ.."
Can you see that the Book of Revelation is about Jesus Christ and not about prophesy as such?
Sure prophesy is in there, but it is a revealing of Jesus Christ..............I mean that is what it says, right?
 
With all due respect and honesty..........I feel like you had already decided what you believe and really did not start this thread to learn but to further your agenda of Preterism.

That is of course your right to do so.

May the Lord bless you my friend and I do hope your eyes will opened to the truth of God's Word but I feel this is not productive at this point.
I second this entire post and see no effort on my part will sway what you already believe FOC72.
 
I second this entire post and see no effort on my part will sway what you already believe FOC72.

This is a forum to talk about Jesus. I have not hidden my thoughts or views from this post. I said I was swaying more towards the preterism views that Revelation of John has already been fulfilled. Daniel spoke of this time and sealed it. John wrote about it for their generation and revealed the things that Daniel had to seal up.

Still no one has told me why they believe the book has yet to be fulfilled. I have said why I feel it has been fulfilled. I was honest saying. I feel like I am getting pushed away because of what I am seeing. I am trying to let the Lord teach me and guide me to all truth.
 
No one says you have hidden your thoughts, BUT you have clearly ignored what others have explained to you as to why they see the Revelation as not fully fulfilled. Go back and read the posts with an open mind and keep your "feelings" at bay. Just because folks do not agree with you does not make you a martyr or pushed away.

There is a point when folks see that when someone is not even responding systematically to answers given, it is more than likely that the instigator is not really interested in input.
 
This is a forum to talk about Jesus. I have not hidden my thoughts or views from this post. I said I was swaying more towards the preterism views that Revelation of John has already been fulfilled. Daniel spoke of this time and sealed it. John wrote about it for their generation and revealed the things that Daniel had to seal up.

Still no one has told me why they believe the book has yet to be fulfilled. I have said why I feel it has been fulfilled. I was honest saying. I feel like I am getting pushed away because of what I am seeing. I am trying to let the Lord teach me and guide me to all truth.


Now that just isn't the case is it my brother?

You have been shown how wrong and how satanic is the book of Enoch and your responce was........"I believe it".

IF, IF Preterism was true, and all the events of prophecy took place in 70 AD............Where was Jesus?????

Preterism says that Nero was the Antichrist. But Nero wasn’t the Antichrist because he committed suicide instead of being cast alive into the Lake of Fire (Revelation 19:20). Nero didn’t track all buying and selling. And Nero didn’t force people to take the Mark of the Beast.

Preterists say Israel’s religious leaders were the False Prophet. But Israel’s religious leaders didn’t build a statue of the Antichrist. Israel’s religious leaders didn’t make that statue speak. Israel’s religious leaders didn’t make the Jews commit idolatry by worshipping the statue. And Israel’s religious leaders didn’t get thrown alive into the Lake of Fire with the Antichrist.

Preterists say the final world government was the Roman Empire. But the Roman Empire was the legs of iron on Nebuchadnezzar’s statue not the feet of iron mixed with clay (Daniel 2). The Second Coming of Jesus will be in the days of the feet of iron mixed with clay not in the day of the legs of iron.

Preterists say the Second Coming of Jesus was a spiritual coming that took place in 70 A.D. and no one could see it. But the Bible says every eye will see Jesus when He comes back (Revelation 1:7). Two angels said Jesus will come back the same way He went away which was visibly because people could see Him (Acts 1:9-11).

Over and over again, Jesus and others told us to watch for the Second Coming, but watching for the Second Coming of Jesus is meaningless, if Jesus has already come back. Watching for the Second Coming is meaningless if is a spiritual return that no one can see.

The Bible says so many people will be killed at the Battle of Armageddon when Jesus comes back the blood will flow up to the horses bridles for almost 200 miles. That doesn’t fit with an invisible return that no one can see. Jesus said the sun will be darkened, the moon won’t shine, the stars will fall from heaven, everyone on earth will mourn, the lost will be removed from the earth, the sheep and goat nations will be judged, etc., but none of that happened in 70 A.D. (Matt. 24:29-30; 13:41-42, 49-50; 25:31-46).

Preterists say the destruction of Jerusalem and the persecution of the Church in 70 A.D. was the Tribulation Period. The Church won’t be here during the Tribulation Period. There was no seven-year covenant in 70 A.D. There weren’t enough people on earth for a 200 million man army to invade Israel in 70 A.D. The Euphrates River didn’t dry up. The Two Witnesses didn’t lie in the street for three and one-half days while the whole world watched. Babylon wasn’t destroyed by fire in one hour. Jesus didn’t rescue Israel at a Second Coming in 70 A.D., etc. (Rev. 9:16; 16:12; 13:11-18; 11:9).

Those are just a few IF's that you must consider IF you believe in Preterism. Now, do you care to give a BIBLE answer to these IF"S ?????
 
With all do respect Major, I am not here to disrespect your views. I have been doing some research on this subject and I don't know all the answers to it yet, but there are things in history that don't line up. I said I am leaning on the Preterist views. Believing all has been fulfilled which was promised. I am researching about Alexander the Great and Cleopatra (her name means: Glory of the father).

Alexander the Great was a conqueror and went about conquering the world. There are ties between King Philip II (Alexander's dad) who was married to a Cleopatra, and Alexander the Great. Julius Caeser and Mark Anthony had ties to Cleopatra. I know they say there are seven Cleopatra's, and I have to look into it more. I find it interesting that Cleopatra spoke 9 different languages fluently. She was also Mecadonian/Greek like King Philip II and Alexander.

Here is a mural of Alexander the Great. Look at the colors of his uniform Fiery red, Hyacinth Blue, and sulfur yellow. Revelation 9:17 says: 17 And thus I saw the horses in the vision: those who sat on them had breastplates of fiery red, hyacinth blue, and sulfur yellow; and the heads of the horses were like the heads of lions; and out of their mouths came fire, smoke, and brimstone.
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reference website... http://archaeologynewsnetwork.blogspot.com/2011/07/on-trail-of-alexander-great.html

I know we have been fed lies all throughout our lives and misled. I served my country as a soldier thinking I was being honorable and defending my nation. Little did I know then how corrupt it is. I signed over my soul for 8 years, got a honorable discharge, and I am a good law biding citizen. What we are briefed as soldiers, isn't what the world is told. What we saw, isn't what they show on TV. Whether it is history, news on TV or in the newspaper, wars and rumors of war, holiday origins, church timelines, and fictional characters we tell are kids are real like Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, tooth fairy, and so on. All of it is twisted and hidden. The truth is out there we have to seek it.

Have you ever lied to your children? I have... I admit it. We are a product of our environment. I am doing what is written.. Renewing of the mind, being as like a child by questioning, getting into the meat of the Word, because I have been wheened off the milk.

I am showing you I am not perfect. So where does the lie stop and the truth and honesty begin? Our human nature is to follow, like a sheep, to be guided. I am just striving for honesty and truth. I know Jesus is the Truth I am the child always asking why, and not taking any man's word for it as fact without checking out the story myself. That is just my nature of trying to transform. Leaning on the Lord instead of men. Seeing the world for what it is... Corrupt, lies, greed, cheating, thieves, killing and devouring each other for their own selfish needs. I am not saying everybody is like that. I am learning to see what the Lord sees. Molding me to be more like Him so to speak. He is the Rabboni (teacher/master).

I take the Bible seriously, researching and trying to fit the puzzle pieces together is all. I want to devote my time to Him in finding the truth in all things. When I am told I am wrong and how satanic my beliefs is makes me want to look harder. Where is the love when someone insult's? I say this in love, but I rebuke your statement about what I am being shown in the book of Enoch is wrong and satanic.

I feel like the truth is hidden so we may find Him true in all that has been written. I see the truth sets us free. I pray for the people who are blind and being led by the blind. That the Lord may get some dirt from the ground and spit in it and make some slave and put it on their eyes, so they may cleanse it with water to they can see the world for what it is.
 
FOC said:
I feel like the truth is hidden so we may find Him true in all that has been written. I see the truth sets us free. I pray for the people who are blind and being led by the blind. That the Lord may get some dirt from the ground and spit in it and make some slave and put it on their eyes, so they may cleanse it with water to they can see the world for what it is.
So you are ignoring my posts just as you have been ignoring Rusty's. Fine go right ahead...that won't stop myself or others posting our observations of your posts. That said, You are advocating that you alone are on some sort of holy crusade to uncover hidden truth.
Jesus came in the flesh so as to reveal truth to mankind. There is nothing hidden from the child of God, all has been revealed by Jesus. Then people go looking for what is not there, saying that there is still truth to be uncovered, they are denying the very one who purchased them with His very blood.
They say the Church universal is corrupt and deceitful, telling lies and covering up the truth. Then people go looking for what is not there, saying that there is still truth to be uncovered, they are denying the very one who purchased them with His very blood.
Who then is the accuser of the Brethren? Is it not the Satan?
Rev12:10. And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, "Now the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ have come, for the accuser of our brothers has been thrown down, who accuses them day and night before our God.
Who is it who is the power behind the Church? Is it not the Lord Jesus Christ Himself?
Mat_16:18 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
The gates of hell can not prevail. Neither will lies and unrighteous criticisms prevail in the long run.

You say "I feel like the truth is hidden so we may find Him true in all that has been written. I see the truth sets us free."
True discipleship is not about 'feelings'. True disciple ship is about obedience......I'll say it again because it is truth..Jesus' truth...True discipleship is about obedience.
Now as to Jude and his mention of Enoch.........Jude has made reference to a lot of material that comes from pseudepigraphic literature, not just the book of Enoch. this literature was mostly known to the people of his day, and therefore spoke to them in familiar terms. Just as Jesus taught spiritual truth by using sheep, lanterns, fig trees, wheat and so on, things familiar to the people He was teaching, Jude used literature familiar to his audience in order to communicate his message. that does not mean that the book of Enoch should be admitted to the canon of Scripture any more than should sheep and fig trees be.
It is in the hope that someone will consider what I post and not be led off on a wild goose chase for 'truth' that is not there, or not helpful that I post this.

FOC you go right ahead and ignore this post since it does not cater to your agenda.
 

Glomung

Account Closed
The dates of Philip's multiple marriages and the names of some of his wives are contested. Below is the order of marriages offered by Athenaeus, 13.557b–e:
She is in no way related to Cleopatra of Egypt.

FOC - I have already listed the reasons that the Preterist view is false, why waste your time and thought?
 
FOC said:
So you are ignoring my posts just as you have been ignoring Rusty's. Fine go right ahead...that won't stop myself or others posting our observations of your posts. That said, You are advocating that you alone are on some sort of holy crusade to uncover hidden truth.
Jesus came in the flesh so as to reveal truth to mankind. There is nothing hidden from the child of God, all has been revealed by Jesus. Then people go looking for what is not there, saying that there is still truth to be uncovered, they are denying the very one who purchased them with His very blood.
They say the Church universal is corrupt and deceitful, telling lies and covering up the truth. Then people go looking for what is not there, saying that there is still truth to be uncovered, they are denying the very one who purchased them with His very blood.
Who then is the accuser of the Brethren? Is it not the Satan?

Who is it who is the power behind the Church? Is it not the Lord Jesus Christ Himself?

The gates of hell can not prevail. Neither will lies and unrighteous criticisms prevail in the long run.

You say "I feel like the truth is hidden so we may find Him true in all that has been written. I see the truth sets us free."
True discipleship is not about 'feelings'. True disciple ship is about obedience......I'll say it again because it is truth..Jesus' truth...True discipleship is about obedience.
Now as to Jude and his mention of Enoch.........Jude has made reference to a lot of material that comes from pseudepigraphic literature, not just the book of Enoch. this literature was mostly known to the people of his day, and therefore spoke to them in familiar terms. Just as Jesus taught spiritual truth by using sheep, lanterns, fig trees, wheat and so on, things familiar to the people He was teaching, Jude used literature familiar to his audience in order to communicate his message. that does not mean that the book of Enoch should be admitted to the canon of Scripture any more than should sheep and fig trees be.
It is in the hope that someone will consider what I post and not be led off on a wild goose chase for 'truth' that is not there, or not helpful that I post this.

FOC you go right ahead and ignore this post since it does not cater to your agenda.

First, I would like to say I don't know all the answers, as I stated before. That is why I am seeking them. I came into this world alone and I am leaving it alone. SO why wouldn't I be alone on my walk in finding the truth in all things? I guess I am lone on what I seek, which is okay. Right??? I don't doubt Jesus is the Lord and He died for our sins. His blood covers us. Jesus came for salvation and to fulfill the law. Being our last and FINAL sacrifice so that we may live with Him. I do believe that we must walk according to what He teaches.

So why is it wrong to seek answers? I mean no disrespect to you Calvin, Major, or Rusty. If I didn't answer all your questions, could possibly mean I don't know all the answers as I have stated before. Hench me searching for answers, not to disprove or not believe in Jesus, but to figure out why the churches teach what they do about the revelation of John.

I am trying to see the big picture of what was going on in the time of Jesus, the disciples and their writings. Much like a detective at a crime scene. The evidence is there, but it is up to us to unravel the truth of the events. Where is the harm in that? You have to take everything in account and all that is written is evidence leading up to the event.

OK, so if you are of a mind to, take things one step at a time.
Rev 1:1,2. The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2 who bore witness to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw.
The point to note here is not so much the "things that must soon take place" or that might have already happened, rather "The revelation of Jesus Christ.."
Can you see that the Book of Revelation is about Jesus Christ and not about prophesy as such?
Sure prophesy is in there, but it is a revealing of Jesus Christ..............I mean that is what it says, right?

Yes, Revelation is about Christ and the judgement on the earth, in which many teach that it is still to come. The reason why I am on this subject of Revelation is to understand why the churches teach it as a future event.When I read the scriptures and Revelation it is all in the tense of their times. I am using the current definition of the word soon for you since it is used in today's tense the NKJV. There are two definitions separate definitions below from two different sources.

soon

/so͞on/

Adverb
  1. In or after a short time: "he'll be home soon".
  2. Early: "it was too soon to know".
Synonyms
shortly - early - presently - anon - before long

soon

[soon] Show IPA
adverb, soon·er, soon·est.
1.
within a short period after this or that time, event, etc.: We shall know soon after he calls.
2.
before long; in the near future; at an early date: Let's leave soon.
3.
promptly or quickly: He came as soon as he could.
4.
readily or willingly: I would as soon walk as ride.
5.
early in a period of time; before the time specified is much advanced: soon at night; soon in the evening.
 
The dates of Philip's multiple marriages and the names of some of his wives are contested. Below is the order of marriages offered by Athenaeus, 13.557b–e:
She is in no way related to Cleopatra of Egypt.


FOC - I have already listed the reasons that the Preterist view is false, why waste your time and thought?

So because you showed me means it is true? I need to research the proof of these Cleopatra's. Each individually. Looking for a history of them if they are renown. I have that list already, but I have yet to delve into it fully. One book I have right now is written by Stacy Schiff. Reading and research takes a lot of time. Years, not days.

Here is an example of what I mean. What does Armageddon mean? In greek it means Mount Megiddo. Also my name is Steven in english. In spanish it is Esteban. Below is a list of my names from different nationalities which still mean Steven. This proves my point.

 
OK, so the definitions you have posted pretty much agree with the Greek 'tachos'.
'Soon' is a relative thing though....If we look at things from our time perspective soon might mean tomorrow or next week. If we view soon from the Lord's perspective it could mean in five thousand years or it could mean tomorrow.
In trying to fit Revelation into any time frame, consider the opening of the sixth seal :
Rev 6:12 When he opened the sixth seal, I looked, and behold, there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black as sackcloth, the full moon became like blood,
Rev 6:13 and the stars of the sky fell to the earth as the fig tree sheds its winter fruit when shaken by a gale.
Rev 6:14 The sky vanished like a scroll that is being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.
Rev 6:15 Then the kings of the earth and the great ones and the generals and the rich and the powerful, and everyone, slave and free, hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains,
Rev 6:16 calling to the mountains and rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb,
Rev 6:17 for the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?"
Ask..."has this happened?" if yes, then what are you doing here!!?
If No, then we need to modify our understanding of 'soon' to fit the facts as we experience them.
Chapter six ends with the Earth pretty well washed up and no scope for a tomorrow, yet there are another sixteen chapters to wade through. To my mind, chapter six is rather conclusive of the fact that Revelation has not yet run to the end.
You wanna tell me that Chapter six has already happened? OK, I'm sure you don't, so why not dismiss all thoughts of Preterist thinking.
Whatever we believe has to fit with the whole of scripture.
There are some things still to be understood and I don't mean to stifle honest inquiry or study, but then too I would advocate studying for worthwhile truth rather than secondary issues.
One lamentable truth that is revealed in Revelation is that despite the Lord's long suffering, and merciful judgment, sinful mankind will not repent of his sinful ways.
As Christians we need to learn from Revelation just what a perilous and precarious position mankind is in.
The Lord will execute judgment on an evil world of man. The very fact that we are told that people do not repent after the various judgments is declaring to us...to everyone that the Lord is looking for people to repent.....He not just beating up on them out of spite.
2 Pet 3:8 But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
2 Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.
So, we need to study as best we can in the Lord's time frame not ours. We need to be encouraged to urge people to repent while there is still time left on the clock.
On working within the Lord's time frame, consider this:
Luke 4:18 "The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty those who are oppressed,
Luke 4:19 to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor."
Luke 4:20 And he rolled up the scroll and gave it back to the attendant and sat down. And the eyes of all in the synagogue were fixed on him.
Luke 4:21 And he began to say to them, "Today this Scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing."
So...was the the year of the Lord's favor just sometime around AD 30? Or are we living within that year of the Lord's favor?
I don't believe Revelation was intended to lead us away from searching out the the things of the Lord.....please consider.
 

Glomung

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Steven, it does not prove ANY point. Providing a list of dialectic variations of the name Stephen is MEANINGLESS.
Digging through history to find gals named Cleopatra is just as pointless as looking through the telephone book for boys named John.

So because you showed me means it is true?

NO, because it is true I showed it to you. Do you grasp the difference?
 
Sorry, სტეფანე or Szczepan, etc, but Glomung and Calvin should not be ignored by a true seeker. Every seeker I've ever met didn't seek with their fingers in their ears, slinging vague accusations about "the Church" (especially with no evidences) and ignoring significant ideas of others.
 
Sorry, სტეფანე or Szczepan, etc, but Glomung and Calvin should not be ignored by a true seeker. Every seeker I've ever met didn't seek with their fingers in their ears, slinging vague accusations about "the Church" (especially with no evidences) and ignoring significant ideas of others.

In fact.......Glomung & calvin should be sought out for their knowledge and wisdom!!!!
 
This is a forum to talk about Jesus. I have not hidden my thoughts or views from this post. I said I was swaying more towards the preterism views that Revelation of John has already been fulfilled. Daniel spoke of this time and sealed it. John wrote about it for their generation and revealed the things that Daniel had to seal up.

Still no one has told me why they believe the book has yet to be fulfilled. I have said why I feel it has been fulfilled. I was honest saying. I feel like I am getting pushed away because of what I am seeing. I am trying to let the Lord teach me and guide me to all truth.

Yes they have! I gave you several situations in which proved that 70 AD could not possibly have been the return of Christ.
#1......Where is Jesus and you ignored all those points.

May I say to you that IMO you are not seeking knowledge or answers to the Revelation.
There can be no answers to the Revelation without first having a knowledge of the book of Daniel.
The Revelation is the opening of Daniel and without Daniel there is no ability to understand it.

Has is occured to you that you have received some excellant knowledge and wisdom from some of God's brightest people right here in the open for the world to see........yet every time you "question" their ability to inform you of God's Word.

Now, has the thought come to you that just maybe, THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD IS TRYING TO TEACH YOU THE TRUTH YOU SEEK, BUT YOU KEEP REJECTING HIM?????

Listen FOC...........YOU did not find the Preterism theology in the Scriptures!!!! IT IS NOT THERE!!!!

You however listened to a Preterism website which tries to alter the Word of God AFTER they have rejected the Word of God.
 
So because you showed me means it is true? I need to research the proof of these Cleopatra's. Each individually. Looking for a history of them if they are renown. I have that list already, but I have yet to delve into it fully. One book I have right now is written by Stacy Schiff. Reading and research takes a lot of time. Years, not days.

Here is an example of what I mean. What does Armageddon mean? In greek it means Mount Megiddo. Also my name is Steven in english. In spanish it is Esteban. Below is a list of my names from different nationalities which still mean Steven. This proves my point.


The only thing this proves is the ability to copy and paste.
 
Yes they have! I gave you several situations in which proved that 70 AD could not possibly have been the return of Christ.
#1......Where is Jesus and you ignored all those points.

May I say to you that IMO you are not seeking knowledge or answers to the Revelation.
There can be no answers to the Revelation without first having a knowledge of the book of Daniel.
The Revelation is the opening of Daniel and without Daniel there is no ability to understand it.

Has is occured to you that you have received some excellant knowledge and wisdom from some of God's brightest people right here in the open for the world to see........yet every time you "question" their ability to inform you of God's Word.

Now, has the thought come to you that just maybe, THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD IS TRYING TO TEACH YOU THE TRUTH YOU SEEK, BUT YOU KEEP REJECTING HIM?????

Listen FOC...........YOU did not find the Preterism theology in the Scriptures!!!! IT IS NOT THERE!!!!

You however listened to a Preterism website which tries to alter the Word of God AFTER they have rejected the Word of God.

How am I rejecting the Holy Spirit? By having my eyes in the word, seeking and trying to understand the stories and how history is unfolded. I do it so I won't be led astray. That's all.

Major, don't assume I am going to Preterism websites, when in fact I am not. I SAID I am believing that Revelations has already happened, all has been fulfilled, not the whole theology of the Preterism. Please don't take this wrong or as a ignorant statement, just trying to make a point.

In Luke 4:16-21 says:
Jesus Rejected at Nazareth

16So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read. 17And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when He had opened the book, He found the place where it was written:18“The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me,Because He has anointed MeTo preach the gospel to the poor;He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted,jTo proclaim liberty to the captivesAnd recovery of sight to the blind,To set at liberty those who are oppressed;19To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord.”k20Then He closed the book, and gave it back to the attendant and sat down. And the eyes of all who were in the synagogue were fixed on Him. 21And He began to say to them, “Today this Scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”

So why wouldn't Jesus filfill all the scripture. He just picks and chooses what He wants to fulfill in certain times in History? It doesn't seem that way when I read the Bible.

Also I found something interesting about names last night... The name Jesus is also Joshua. "Yahweh saves". This is why I am researching. The name Joshua is used in Zechariah. Zechariah 3:6-10 The Coming Branch...

The Coming Branch

6Then the Angel of the Lord admonished Joshua, saying, 7“Thus says the Lord of hosts:‘If you will walk in My ways,And if you will keep My command,Then you shall also judge My house,And likewise have charge of My courts;I will give you places to walkAmong these who stand here.8‘Hear, O Joshua, the high priest,You and your companions who sit before you,For they are a wondrous sign;For behold, I am bringing forth My Servant the BRANCH.9For behold, the stoneThat I have laid before Joshua:Upon the stone are seven eyes.Behold, I will engrave its inscription,’Says the Lord of hosts,‘And I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.10In that day,’ says the Lord of hosts,‘Everyone will invite his neighborUnder his vine and under his fig tree.’ ”


Major, Have you researches all about Preterism theology? If you did and don't believe it is not there, how did you get to that point? Did you research it and looked for answers yourself? If you did look for answers yourself then why would you try to discourage me? That is like teaching a child don't learn to walk because you have already learned. Let me see it for myself and grow in strength and build my foundation on solid ground...
 
FOC72....Please...Major said
Now, has the thought come to you that just maybe, the Holy Spirit is trying to teach you
through this very conversation.

It's delusive to suggest any of us have tried to stop your "researching", BUT the tenor of your posts are pretty scattered and confused when it comes to systematic biblical handling of the subject of the Revelation. Plus you have yet to discuss, question, explore, refute or consider most of the counter-arguments your brethren have provided.

No one can stop you from your pursuits, BUT, as Christians, if anyone saw you going down a false path of reasoning, if anyone saw you playing with mythical and speculative ideas...it would be there duty to warn you, with explanations as to why.

This you do not seem to understand: I for one have been down the path you seem to be treading, and I would be held responsible if I just patted you on the back and said:

"Go child walk anyway you like; any interpretation of prophecy is fine!"

(You used the walking child allegory, so do not get your feathers ruffled.)

If a prophecy is wrongly applied, misunderstood or mixed with clear error, It will effect the walk of a Christian, no doubt about that!

We see you "building your foundation" on very sandy ground, and we would be slackers if we stayed silent.
 
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