Religion, Faith And Rituals

[Brother Paul]

I do not mean to be harsh against you brother Paul, I must say you have an amazing foundation of knowledge and I am sure you believe what you believe based upon honest intentions. I would that all believers would understand the complete wretched condition of man as from Adam. In this truth the believer is delivered from all confidence in the flesh and self. Christ increases and we decrease to where we have died to the self-principle that attempts to lead us away from God. To trust completely and utterly in the grace of God is to have absolutely no trust in the "old man".

Eph 4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

Trust me Mitzpa I know all too well that I am a vile and depraved sinner (not Totally Depraved if that means absolutely incapable) AND that the ONLY WAY into the Kingdom for all sinners, is Christ and Christ alone by grace through faith. I have no trust in the dead guy who was crucified with Christ...I have ZERO confidence in the flesh or "self" (the "I me" lord trying to oppose God - Genesis 3:5)....I do not believe anything I posted would imply otherwise...but I fully believe (unlike the RCC and pure Calvinism) that a new born, if they die, they are not automatically condemned to gehenna because of Adam's sin. The death God said to Adam would occur was not a punishment from God it was the inevitable consequence of the action....spiritual death (eternal separation from God) is only permanent at the Judgment...before we physically die (the first death) we have the opportunity to come to God and believe Him (thus accept His provision of redemption...which is Christ and Him crucified) and have our sins remmissed, so we will no have to suffer the second death (there are really only two actual deaths spoken of in the Bible the physical and the spiritual, all other such language is figurative)....

in His love

brother Paul

 

[Mitspa]

Trust me Mitzpa I know all too well that I am a vile and depraved (not Totally Depraved if that means absolutely incapable) AND that the ONLY WAY into the Kingdom for all sinners, is Christ and Christ alone by grace through faith. I have no trust in the dead guy who was crucified with Christ...I have ZERO confidence in the flesh or "self" (the "I me" lord trying to oppose God - Genesis 3:5)....I do not believe anything I posted would imply otherwise...but I fully believe (unlike the RCC and pure Calvinism) that a new born, if they die, they are not automatically condemned to gehenna because of Adam's sin. The death God said to Adam would occur was not a punishment from God it was the inevitable consequence of the action....spiritual death (eternal separation from God) is only permanent at the Judgment...before we physically die (the first death) we have the opportunity to come to God and believe Him (thus accept His provision of redemption...which is Christ and Him crucified) and have our sins remmissed, so we will no have to suffer the second death (there are really only two actual deaths spoken of in the Bible the physical and the spiritual, all other such language is figurative)....

in His love

brother Paul

I really don't care what the RCC or Calvinist teach, they both seem to be willing to make-up whatever they need to go alone with what they have already determined. I believe it is an error strait from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, for us to assume that God needs us to judge some of these things. And then to form doctrines based on our own ideas and what we would do if we where God? God is good and just and no man..baby .. untaught..etc.. will walk away from His Judgment thinking "oh God is not fair". All even the condemned will confess His righteousness and fairness at His judgment. Having this confidence, I don't not try to go beyond what is written and form doctrines to satisfy unanswered questions that men seem to always be consumed with. Its like this doctrine of universal salvation that takes away the need for faith in Christ. Its based upon men who set around and reason in their carnal minds that its not fair for God to condemn a non-believer that has not heard the gospel...therefore we must accept that we need to form a doctrine that seems fair... to protect God? What a bunch of nonsense! Those who know God have no need to question His good intentions and His desire to show mercy. He will judge all and His judgements will be just.

 

[Brother Paul]

I really don't care what the RCC or Calvinist teach, they both seem to be willing to make-up whatever they need to go alone with what they have already determined. I believe it is an error strait from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, for us to assume that God needs us to judge some of these things. And then to form doctrines based on our own ideas and what we would do if we where God? God is good and just and no man..baby .. untaught..etc.. will walk away from His Judgment thinking "oh God is not fair". All even the condemned will confess His righteousness and fairness at His judgment. Having this confidence, I don't not try to go beyond what is written and form doctrines to satisfy unanswered questions that men seem to always be consumed with. Its like this doctrine of universal salvation that takes away the need for faith in Christ. Its based upon men who set around and reason in their carnal minds that its not fair for God to condemn a non-believer that has not heard the gospel...therefore we must accept that we need to form a doctrine that seems fair... to protect God? What a bunch of nonsense! Those who know God have no need to question His good intentions and His desire to show mercy. He will judge all and His judgements will be just.

Agreed but they will not contradict His revealed will. Taking a scripture here or there like "There is none righteous no not one" because it supports a theological position is equally amiss (and I am sure you agree). When Paul said this he was not defending or supporting the unbiblical position of Total Depravity. He knew all too well that God Himself declared many people righteous (therefore there were some not none)...like wise Joseph, Mary, and others were said to be "righteous" "blameless" etc., even before the Christ events...John the baptist and Jeremiah were filled with the Holy Spirit (born from above) in the womb...ten all the Apostles (including Paul) are "righteous" because GOd says so...

So I agree but also the other side of that coin is true...we must go BY THE WORD but not by a scripture here and one there that fits what we have been taught that they mean...we must seek the whole counsel of God on any given matter and the truth includes all that is said even when it appears to contradict one another.

Do you agree with that?

brother Paul

 

[Mitspa]

Agreed but they will not contradict His revealed will. Taking a scripture here or there like "There is none righteous no not one" because it supports a theological position is equally amiss (and I am sure you agree). When Paul said this he was not defending or supporting the unbiblical position of Total Depravity. He knew all too well that God Himself declared many people righteous (therefore there were some not none)...like wise Joseph, Mary, and others were said to be "righteous" "blameless" etc., even before the Christ events...John the baptist and Jeremiah were filled with the Holy Spirit (born from above) in the womb...ten all the Apostles (including Paul) are "righteous" because GOd says so...

So I agree but also the other side of that coin is true...we must go BY THE WORD but not by a scripture here and one there that fits what we have taught that they mean...we must seek the whole counsel of God on any given matter and the truth includes all that is said even when it appears to contradict one another.

Do you agree with that?

brother Paul

Well no one was "righteous" based upon anything but faith.. This is the message from the beginning and even Able and cain prove the righteousness of the scriptures is always based on faith. So the fact that God called them righteous does not mean the flesh is not exactly what is described by Paul in clear terms. One cannot look at the Old testament and understand the new based upon the old, one must look at the new and understand the old based upon the new. The whole counsel of God was manifest through Paul and through his epistles all doctrine should be judged.

 

[Brother Paul]

Well no one was "righteous" based upon anything but faith.. This is the message from the beginning and even Able and cain prove the righteousness of the scriptures is always based on faith. So the fact that God called them righteous does not mean the flesh is not exactly what is described by Paul in clear terms. One cannot look at the Old testament and understand the new based upon the old, one must look at the new and understand the old based upon the new. The whole counsel of God was manifest through Paul and through his epistles all doctrine should be judged.

True. No one is righteous "enough" apart from God. Before He declares one righteous by faith all our righteousness's are as filthy rags, but surely when Paul made this statement many had been declared righteous having the Righteousness of God so we cannot not take the "no not one" literally,...it is clear that many "righteous" ones existed (at least the 120) because God said so (God is not a man that He should lie).

 

[Mitspa]

True. No one is righteous "enough" apart from God. Before He declares one righteous by faith all our righteousness's are as filthy rags, but surely when Paul made this statement many had been declared righteous having the Righteousness of God so we cannot not take the "no not one" literally,...it is clear that many "righteous" ones existed (at least the 120) because God said so (God is not a man that He should lie).

In context of the law and the purpose of the law...was to make all guilty. So Paul is discussing the law and its final verdict against all men as being justified by the law. Now Paul very much upholds the righteousness of faith (form the beginning) at the same time he makes clear the purpose and verdict of the law. In several places one can see him draw clear conclusions and make absolute declarations of truth ,that forever stand as sound doctrine. I need not post them, I am sure you are aware of these mighty truths that break men into the wretched condition they are in and uphold God alone as righteous.

 

[MichaelH]

Yes the "organic material" is "dirt" it was cursed and is corrupt. Not the spirit that died and was reborn from heaven. The organic material itself has "sin" noun in it... It looks like a big spiritual snake in the spirit realm. Only the Cross has power to purge this from a believer. This "snake" is a "selfish" spiritual force. At the Cross we die to "self" and to this power of selfishness. Love from the Spirit is without selfishness and the whole purpose and plan of God.

Good enough for me man.

I do not mean to be harsh against you brother Paul, I must say you have an amazing foundation of knowledge and I am sure you believe what you believe based upon honest intentions.

cough.... cough..... Once in a great while glimmer of hope does come from his keyboard. I will agree with that.

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Ok now I'm really confused. How could god be 2 people?? Ok so god got Mary pregnant and Jesus was born who was gods son because god impregnated her. So how is god the father and god the son? I really don't get this. If god wanted to come to earth as a human could he not have just come here in a human form himself?

The answer can be found in this verse."God is spirit" (John 4:24). Both God the Father and God the Son, Jesus, are distinct separate individuals who are one in Spirit, in the fullness of the Holy Spirit. God is also the Holy Spirit.

The believer also is one with God in the Holy Spirit, however the believer is subject to the will of God in the Spirit.

The oneness is shown in this scripture. "I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. (John 14:20).

How can God be two people.
You know Religion effects our intelligence. It effects common and simple understanding, it effects our logic. It effects everything God put in us to understand things. If we used our religious logic to solve everyday problems, we would be mental idiots unable to even balance our check books, and remember where the heck the bathroom is at.

Now you just said they are distinct and separate individuals. auhmmm that makes 2. But then ask how can God be two people.

See what religion does? Makes you say there are two different cars here, but really, I only count one.

Jesus and the Father are ONE. Jesus words. We are one in Him. We are all one in the Spirit.
If this statement is used to prove there is only ONE GOD, then we are also the Creator. Instead we stay consistent in what the scriptures mean by being ONE.......... For Husband and wife are ONE flesh but that does not erase one of them.

We are all ONE not getting wet under the umbrella. However, there is more than one of us under the umbrella. God is defined as a Deity of uncertain Origin. (James Strong) Deity, means immortal being.

Jesus Christ came in the Flesh......... Those that don't believe that are of the Antichrist. (1John 4:3)
God was manifest in the flesh............ (1 Tim 3:16) He was received up to glory.

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
(Joh 17:5)

This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
(Act 2:32)

There are TWO!! NOT ONE.
God was manifest in the flesh, that God the Lord Jesus Christ. The "OTHER" God his father gave him glory and raised him from the dead.

One by which all things were made, One by which all things were made through and because of.

For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by (DIA-A primary preposition denoting the channel of an act; through) whom are all things, and we by him.
(1Co 8:5-6)

If we say there is ONE GOD only, then we lost all ability to count because of religion or we just plain not accepting one of them and giving them glory like the scripture did 31 times.......... God the Father, and The Lord Jesus Christ.

If we say there is ONE GOD, then God did not come in the flesh (Son of God) because One God raised him from the dead and gave him Glory (Father God) It took TWO!!!

Well, there is one God, but 3 separate persons...................... That is religious nonsense. Like setting 3 apples on the counter and asking to count them. The person writes down there is only 1 Apple but 3 separate and distinct apples present.
Won't make it very far in this World and that to come if that is all the better we know how to count. Even God knows how to count and he certainly would not get that mixed up.

Jesus was fully God, in the flesh. The Son of man, and Son of God. He was on earth, but before He was with the Father because God so loved the World he sent his only Son. He sent God his son, the only one to have seen his face and be a man.

Anyway...........

 

[Mitspa]

If you quote a scripture that called some righteous, then it can only be based on faith. And real faith will produce right acts, but the right acts are a product of the faith not the flesh.

 

[Mitspa]

If you quote a scripture that called some righteous, then it can only be based on faith. And real faith will produce right acts, but the right acts are a product of the faith not the flesh.

Lets add this to the mix... that there was a "form" of righteousness according to the law, but that must be cast aside at the truth of Christ.
Ro 2:20 An instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, which hast the form of knowledge and of the truth in the law.

Ro 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

Php 3:9 ¶ And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

So if you are saying that man can by the law have a "form" of godliness, then I would agree. But that is an abomination in the eyes of God, in that He has given us HIS RIGHTOEUSNESS and no man should dare to present any righteousness before God as coming from himself.

 

[Candelario Mario Villa]

you seem to hear what you want... The Lord God is a just God and able to judge all things and all people according to His Own understanding and purpose. Of course He would not condemn a child that had not the understanding to choose His Will. I say this also whoever He condemns.. He is just...whoever He justifies ..He is the Almighty.

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(BOLD above is mine)
In that you are not correct: you are right!

Cnadelario Mario Villa

 

[God calls me Olivia]

Good enough for me man.


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How can God be two people.
You know Religion effects our intelligence. It effects common and simple understanding, it effects our logic. It effects everything God put in us to understand things. If we used our religious logic to solve everyday problems, we would be mental idiots unable to even balance our check books, and remember where the heck the bathroom is at.

Now you just said they are distinct and separate individuals. auhmmm that makes 2. But then ask how can God be two people.

See what religion does? Makes you say there are two different cars here, but really, I only count one.

Jesus and the Father are ONE. Jesus words. We are one in Him. We are all one in the Spirit.
If this statement is used to prove there is only ONE GOD, then we are also the Creator. Instead we stay consistent in what the scriptures mean by being ONE.......... For Husband and wife are ONE flesh but that does not erase one of them.

We are all ONE not getting wet under the umbrella. However, there is more than one of us under the umbrella. God is defined as a Deity of uncertain Origin. (James Strong) Deity, means immortal being.

Jesus Christ came in the Flesh......... Those that don't believe that are of the Antichrist. (1John 4:3)
God was manifest in the flesh............ (1 Tim 3:16) He was received up to glory.

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
(Joh 17:5)

This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
(Act 2:32)

There are TWO!! NOT ONE.
God was manifest in the flesh, that God the Lord Jesus Christ. The "OTHER" God his father gave him glory and raised him from the dead.

One by which all things were made, One by which all things were made through and because of.

For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by (DIA-A primary preposition denoting the channel of an act; through) whom are all things, and we by him.
(1Co 8:5-6)

If we say there is ONE GOD only, then we lost all ability to count because of religion or we just plain not accepting one of them and giving them glory like the scripture did 31 times.......... God the Father, and The Lord Jesus Christ.

If we say there is ONE GOD, then God did not come in the flesh (Son of God) because One God raised him from the dead and gave him Glory (Father God) It took TWO!!!

Well, there is one God, but 3 separate persons...................... That is religious nonsense. Like setting 3 apples on the counter and asking to count them. The person writes down there is only 1 Apple but 3 separate and distinct apples present.
Won't make it very far in this World and that to come if that is all the better we know how to count. Even God knows how to count and he certainly would not get that mixed up.

Jesus was fully God, in the flesh. The Son of man, and Son of God. He was on earth, but before He was with the Father because God so loved the World he sent his only Son. He sent God his son, the only one to have seen his face and be a man.

Anyway...........

 

[Mitspa]

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(BOLD above is mine)
In that you are not correct: you are right!

Cnadelario Mario Villa

Well thank you Mario... It is God who justifies and who can condemn? That's why I would never question your salvation, or try to cause you to doubt the promise God has made to you. Those who think to "unsave" other believers are not keeping these things in mind.

 

[MichaelH]

Good enough for you also?

I read on comment. I will say sorry if I got on some soapbox.

I love the Lord Jesus, and to say there is only ONE GOD, means to me that I am leaving one out. Jesus did so much for us, God in the Flesh, and His Father honored him and gave him all things, by which we are joint heirs. He one with the Father, we one in them a family brought back together, brought back to God.

when some of us read the Word Christ, some of us don't think it is Jesus last name, but Jesus the Anointed one and his anointing for us. When we see sword, we translate that to the Eternal Word of God, alive and powerful to do what God said it would do. Judging our own thoughts, and dividing.

When the devil is able to convince us of ONE GOD, then our mind lumps them in one, removes a throne that was rightfully given and Denies a Real Father and a Real son.

Be blessed Olivia.

 

[God calls me Olivia]

Good enough for me man.


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How can God be two people.
You know Religion effects our intelligence. It effects common and simple understanding, it effects our logic. It effects everything God put in us to understand things. If we used our religious logic to solve everyday problems, we would be mental idiots unable to even balance our check books, and remember where the heck the bathroom is at.

Now you just said they are distinct and separate individuals. auhmmm that makes 2. But then ask how can God be two people.

See what religion does? Makes you say there are two different cars here, but really, I only count one.

Jesus and the Father are ONE. Jesus words. We are one in Him. We are all one in the Spirit.
If this statement is used to prove there is only ONE GOD, then we are also the Creator. Instead we stay consistent in what the scriptures mean by being ONE.......... For Husband and wife are ONE flesh but that does not erase one of them.

We are all ONE not getting wet under the umbrella. However, there is more than one of us under the umbrella. God is defined as a Deity of uncertain Origin. (James Strong) Deity, means immortal being.

Jesus Christ came in the Flesh......... Those that don't believe that are of the Antichrist. (1John 4:3)
God was manifest in the flesh............ (1 Tim 3:16) He was received up to glory.

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
(Joh 17:5)

This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
(Act 2:32)

There are TWO!! NOT ONE.
God was manifest in the flesh, that God the Lord Jesus Christ. The "OTHER" God his father gave him glory and raised him from the dead.

One by which all things were made, One by which all things were made through and because of.

For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by (DIA-A primary preposition denoting the channel of an act; through) whom are all things, and we by him.
(1Co 8:5-6)

If we say there is ONE GOD only, then we lost all ability to count because of religion or we just plain not accepting one of them and giving them glory like the scripture did 31 times.......... God the Father, and The Lord Jesus Christ.

If we say there is ONE GOD, then God did not come in the flesh (Son of God) because One God raised him from the dead and gave him Glory (Father God) It took TWO!!!

Well, there is one God, but 3 separate persons...................... That is religious nonsense. Like setting 3 apples on the counter and asking to count them. The person writes down there is only 1 Apple but 3 separate and distinct apples present.
Won't make it very far in this World and that to come if that is all the better we know how to count. Even God knows how to count and he certainly would not get that mixed up.

Jesus was fully God, in the flesh. The Son of man, and Son of God. He was on earth, but before He was with the Father because God so loved the World he sent his only Son. He sent God his son, the only one to have seen his face and be a man.

Anyway...........

My statement does not prove that we are all the creator. What is so hard to understand that God has manifestation in the whole Spirit whereas the children utilize that which is given to them of the Spirit by God who put His Spirit in them. God's will is manifest through the whole Spirit of God, whereas the children are partakers of the aspects of God's Spirit as God gives to them.

There are different kinds of gifts. But they are all given by the same Spirit. 5 There are different ways to serve. But they all come from the same Lord. 6 There are different ways to work. But the same God makes it possible for all of us to have all those different things.
7 The Holy Spirit is given to each of us in a special way. That is for the good of all. 8 To some people the Spirit gives the message of wisdom. To others the same Spirit gives the message of knowledge. 9 To others the same Spirit gives faith. To others that one Spirit gives gifts of healing. 10 To others he gives the power to do miracles. To others he gives the ability to prophesy. To others he gives the ability to tell the spirits apart. To others he gives the ability to speak in different kinds of languages they had not known before. And to still others he gives the ability to explain what was said in those languages.11 All of the gifts are produced by one and the same Spirit. He gives them to each person, just as he decides (1 Corinthians 12:4-11).

This applies not only to gifts, but to all things given to an individual for all truth and purpose from God for that individual is in God's Spirit.

How is it so hard to believe that God is made of the Father, the Son, and the The Holy Spirit. I do not get what you are yelling about in the there are two comment of yours. That is what I am saying. In fact it seems like you are half the time saying God is one and half the time saying God is two. What are you saying? I think you just answered me.

I am saying the Father and Son are two persons united as one with the Holy Spirit.

 

[God calls me Olivia]

Let me put it this way. Some times God the Father talks to me, some times Jesus talks to me, and some times God speaks to me through the Holy Spirit. Does this make it clearer to you?

 

[Candelario Mario Villa]

Look at the world and say that "sin" is not rampant? Your post makes no sense, you seem to want to present an unbiblical doctrines and then defend it by making some of the most unreasonable of points. The Cross, as I have proven in scripture, is foolishness and of no effect to those who do not believe. So what other promises of Christ to you give to the world apart from faith in Him? This borders on universal salvation and other such unbiblical doctrines.

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Mitspa:
Man inherited the propensity to sin, but not the very sin of Adam. That sin (of Adam) was resolved on the cross. If we say that we, as you SEEM to propose, inherited Adam's sin, then we are saying that the Lord's sacrifice was only partial: like the gospel that you preach. Then yes, your gospel would conform to Adam's sin: and your gospel would not only be correct, but right. To be fair, I will post the Gospel I preach, so that there be no confusion as to where I stand. It can be found in Mk. 16:15-16; Acts 2:38-39;and I cor. 15:1-4. I believe there is sufficient Biblical evidence to say that the words of Jesus and his apostles are true.

I can see where the children of those nations whom the Lord has cursed are cursed unto the third and fourth generation. (please,
I am not considering the "generational curse" that modernists propagate upon Christianity to keep them in bondage); and I can
see that that curse could be extended upon the Church, if we start to behave like those nations, even as the OT Israelites. No
man can know everything: that is why it is so necessary that we gather as believers: because as a Church, it has been given us to understand and obey the Gospel. But if we neglect the gift, it will profit us nothing.

I agree that the propensity to sin is in the flesh: but not the very sin itself. Paul said, "...it is sin that dwells in me." Was he saying that it was the sin that he was born with: or the sin that he had sinned, and the propensity to sin that was still residing in his flesh...his spirit, however, clean of sin and of unrighteousness? And now I will say this plainly, not to be misunderstood:
No one who denies the Gospel is truly free from sin. A man may believe in Jesus, but that by itself does not equal salvation.
Has no one heard? "Faith without works is dead." The works which we speak, are the works of obedience.

Candelario Mario Villa

 

[MichaelH]

Agreed but they will not contradict His revealed will. Taking a scripture here or there like "There is none righteous no not one" because it supports a theological position is equally amiss (and I am sure you agree). When Paul said this he was not defending or supporting the unbiblical position of Total Depravity. He knew all too well that God Himself declared many people righteous (therefore there were some not none)...like wise Joseph, Mary, and others were said to be "righteous" "blameless" etc., even before the Christ events...John the baptist and Jeremiah were filled with the Holy Spirit (born from above) in the womb...ten all the Apostles (including Paul) are "righteous" because GOd says so...

So I agree but also the other side of that coin is true...we must go BY THE WORD but not by a scripture here and one there that fits what we have been taught that they mean...we must seek the whole counsel of God on any given matter and the truth includes all that is said even when it appears to contradict one another.

Do you agree with that?

brother Paul

righteousness just means right standing with. Abraham faith was counted for right standing with God. Don't mean Abraham was perfect. David had a heart for God, does not mean David had not blown it a couple times majorly.

Without Faith, you can't even please God. (Heb 11:6)

It's never been about who God picked. It's always been about who had faith and heart was right toward God.
2Ch 16:9 For the eyes of the LORD run to and fro throughout the whole earth, to shew himself strong in the behalf of them whose heart is perfect toward him. Herein thou hast done foolishly: therefore from henceforth thou shalt have wars.

God is not picking as Election Doctrine states, he is looking.
Deu 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

Righteousness does not mean blameless. Hence we need Jesus. There were those in the OT who had unshakable faith in God, David would run into battle saying a 1,000 on my left 10,000 on my right, but it won't come near me, no Plague, sickness is allowed in my dwelling, for God shall cover me with his wings.

You don't even see that faith in believers today, a bunch of fearful doubting believers but still going to make it through faith in Jesus Christ. Though the devil uses them as a rug to wipe his feet on.

David was certainly not blameless, though God gave him victory in all his battles, saying.... You have to much blood on your hands to build my temple. So, David sowed into the Building of the temple, but was not allowed to touch the construction of it.

 

[MichaelH]

Let me put it this way. Some times God the Father talks to me, some times Jesus talks to me, and some times God speaks to me through the Holy Spirit. Does this make it clearer to you?

I was just thinking about that after I posted. I can tell which one is talking to me through the Holy Spirit. You just know when the Son is speaking to you, it's about Church, it's down to business. Some won't understand that, but I understand what your saying perfectly.

Being part of the Pentecostal camp, Jesus was the Word part of God. (His name means the Word, not he is a word Rev)
I was praising God for something and said thank you Jesus, well your God so Thank you God.

The Lord spoke to me, It was the first time I knew it was Jesus, it was down to business. He said, "I am not my Father."
That did not make sense, and took years later to understand. I will never forget it though.

His voice sounds different, just can't explain, but you just know.

OK, Two under the Holy Spirit.

Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

For the Holy Spirit to be God, He would have to speak of his own and just not what He hears. Instead He is God's spirit, somehow divided by 7 (Isa) (Rev) On the Earth is God with us through His Spirit. Who knows.............

The Holy Spirit is on Earth though, to enforce the Word and testify of Jesus, convicting the World of sin.

I want you to think of the Word god as a class of being. Think of it as Family. I am not saying there is one God then saying there are two.

The bible says there is only one Lord God. None like him. Both in the OT and the NT.

Joh 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
Joh 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

People say that..... Well, Jesus laid aside his Mighty Powers and was just in man form, that is why He said that because in God form He is just as Great as the Father or even is the Father (Oneness)

NO, God was manifest in the Flesh, Christ came in the Flesh. He is still God, Still always with the Father, and Still did not sin. Only God can do that.

Jesus is still fully God, the Son of God. He is not confused about who His father is. It's His God also.

Eph 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

Paul cleared it up, Paul said there be gods many and lords many but to US there are TWO.
Paul did not mention the Holy Spirit though.

God the Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ. Father and Son.

The Term god is always generic unless it's in title form.

Satan was called god of this world, Jesus call us gods........ None of that put's Satan or us on the level of God the Father and God the Son. Jesus said nobody can be greater than his master, it suffice to be the same as the Master.

When we read the Word without mans concept (Trinity, Oneness, Modelist) then read as fresh we see clearly. With mans concept we continue to miss what is very apparent there.

Be blessed.

 

[Candelario Mario Villa]

you seem to hear what you want... The Lord God is a just God and able to judge all things and all people according to His Own understanding and purpose. Of course He would not condemn a child that had not the understanding to choose His Will. I say this also whoever He condemns.. He is just...whoever He justifies ..He is the Almighty.

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You ARE preaching predestination! Or a form of it.
Of course God is just: whoever said He was not? No, that is what YOU are hearing, because you do not like anyone disagreeing with you. You say that a child is born with sin...and then you say that God will not condemn a child...
Just what is it you are saying? Oh! I remember. Faith. It's all about faith. You came in from the WOF, and brought that doctrine right along: and now you want to be some great preacher. I get it.
OK. DO you believe the Gospel of Jesus and His apostles: or do believe they are wrong? You cannot have it both ways.

Walk in the Light, as He is in the Light.

 

[MichaelH]

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Just what is it you are saying? Oh! I remember. Faith. It's all about faith. You came in from the WOF, and brought that doctrine right

Whats Wrong with the WOF Doctrine, whatever that might be. They don't preach Predestination but make man responsible before God to receive from God by Faith. Predestination removes all concepts of faith. If God wants you sick, then nothing you can believe different changes that. If God wants you in hell, then your screwed buddy, accepting Jesus won't help you. (OH, ya, you would be made to stupid to accept Jesus)
Jesus lied saying All things are possible to him that believe.................... (to the man that needed his son healed)

Election, Predestination says that the one that believes by His stripes we are healed and speaks nothing against it, will get the same results as someone in fear asking if it be God's will to heal them please heal them. If not Oh Mysterious God, then thy will be done, sniff......sniff......sniff....

Just saying.