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i am glad to see you post this
Should Baptism be repeated?
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forgiven61
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by telling the child they have to.. which is not Bible
forgiven61
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exactly
A child doesn’t get to have an opinion. Actually at that age of a few years we don’t even know. Only that later most of us are much glad we were done. Along with keeping our affiliation numbers strong in the faith. It may mean a lot to you considering that be the name you go under. But not so much to us that we would ever consider being called such.
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it depends on the child besides when a child gets saved it does not mean rush into baptism .. some children have a deeper grasp than some adults. to many depend on water to be saved
Forgiven as mentioned in my previous post it has nothing to do with and if and when a child be saved. At the same time our churches believe it to be a visible but also an inward sign of Gods faith given unto the elect when it comes to infant baptism Acts 2:38- 39. Look more closely at v 39. Is it not to our children’s children As well ? We merely proclaim the Lords great commission of baptising in the name of the Father the Son and the Holy Ghost just as in the old covenant of circumcision so with new covenant of baptism which has been conferred upon the Church to appropriate at least with traditional churches under the stipulation of the great commission Mathew 28:19.
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Forgiven we must also consider that under the old covenant of circumcision all including infants were considered members of the covenant community due to old covenant as mentioned in Genesis 7:9-14 . Not that all were believers we leave that for the Lord to decide as with all in the the new covenant also . The matter of grace has not changed Col 2:11-12 only in administration and the new sign of initiation from circumcision of old to baptism into the new. Col 2:8-15. . When thinking upon the age of consent with baptism we must also consider the many times in the book of Acts where the entire household is converted and baptised. It is unimaginable to think that there would be no infants amongst those households. The church has looked into the matter deeply in its infancy. The very reason the traditional church has always promoted infant baptism as the primary correct interpretation. Forgiven We have no problem in baptising those who have never been baptised from whatever age as confirmed within the Reformed Churches articles of faith and the Westminster confession the cannon of Dort and a multitude other documents along with the Bible. But we do refuse to baptise people who have already been baptised from their youth . You may disagree. A difference of doctrinal outlook I guess.
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I was "baptised" as an infant in the Catholic Church.
When I walked out of the Catholic Church 20 years ago... it was my understanding that because I requested
ex-communication from the church that I was then deemed as an apostate and my eternal position in the eyes of the church
was eternal damnation.
It is my opinion that infant baptism is a false claim of salvation. AT most it is a claim to membership of the church.
I absolutely did not feel that I was getting baptised TWICE but rather... .for the first time in a state of biblical obedience.
When I walked out of the Catholic Church 20 years ago... it was my understanding that because I requested
ex-communication from the church that I was then deemed as an apostate and my eternal position in the eyes of the church
was eternal damnation.
It is my opinion that infant baptism is a false claim of salvation. AT most it is a claim to membership of the church.
I absolutely did not feel that I was getting baptised TWICE but rather... .for the first time in a state of biblical obedience.
Good morning,
As forgiven, Major and other posters made clear, water baptism doesn't confirm one's salvation. Still, baptism by water immersion is a major decision in a Christian's life.
I don't officiate "infant baptisms" (I understand what you mean, Prim90.) Instead, it's what is called a Baby Dedication or what the autonomy of a given Christian Church chooses to define. Infants are too young to understand and make this kind of decision. So the parents who make this request would meet with me. I would help them understand the purpose of a Baby Dedication. The parents were making a serious decision as stewards in the raising of their infant child in the Christian foundation of their home.
I was 1 month old and baptised in the Roman Catholic Church. My Dad and late Mom were 21 and 20 respectively. They were not grounded doctrinally or theologically but they believe in God and were Church going people. I learned as I got older their intentions being their first child and for this I thank God that my parents thought enough of me to make a public proclamation that I would be raised in the foundation of a Christian home.
When I turned 18 1/2, I don't know why I left the Catholic Church but what I did learn from CCD (Confraternity of Christian Doctrine,) I took that with me and began my journey as a regenerated Christian. As young adults my wife Hazel and I made a serious decision to be water baptised.
Our Pastor met with us to help us understand the meaning of water immersion which unfortunately many Pastors fail to do as a practice to their congregants. This is why many Christians still struggle distinguishing between water (public proclamation to repent, serve and follow Jesus) and spiritual baptism (receiving Christ, getting saved and receiving salvation.)
A Pastor has an important responsibility to teach water baptism and Baby Dedication to their grooming ministers (Paul to Timothy mentoring.) For this we must continually pray for all Pastors.
God bless you all.
Bob
I mean absolutely NO DISRESPECT to anyone who might belong to the Catholic Church.... I assumed that NO one here within the forums was a practicing Catholic. If I am wrong about that... I apologise for even making a comment regarding baptism.
I do not believe that it is possible to have a fruitful doctrinal discussion with someone who is an active member of the Catholic church because their premise on entering ANY argument is that they belong to the ONE TRUE CHURCH. It is an uneven playing field from the get go and personally... .I do not desire to engage in these types of discussions because they never accomplish anything and are most often CIRCULAR arguments. ( That is just my humble opinion )... and it is how I protect myself.
So without having offended anyone... Please accept this disclaimer moving forward. I will be very mindful to stay clear of any discussion that could cause division and strife.
God bless everyone.
Good morning, In Awe of Him;
Noone is implying you were making disrespectful remarks to anyone who is a practicing Catholic. Christian Forum Site's moderators monitor the threads / posts daily and carefully. We will address anyone who make derogatory remarks against any member compromising the forum rules.
As far as doctrinal discussions with a practicing Catholic many have requested to meet with Pastors and have conversations with them. In my personal experience many have met with me with questions about their faith. Some have converted to Christianity or decided to remain in Catholicism. We don't dismiss anyone who has questions about their current or searching faith. It is my role to maintain a peaceful one on one discussion with Jesus in the center which is the fruit of our meeting. Whether they receive what I share or not, it's up to our amazing God who transforms a calling.
Let's get back to the verb of topic regarding Should Baptism Be Repeated. You are welcome to pm the moderators or myself if you want to discuss this further.
God bless you, sister.
Bob
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problem with baptism is not baptism it self. its all the off beat doctrines that are man made. you have those who baptize in Jesus name for the remission of sins . which i very much disagree with
those who rebaptize into the church for membership . God is not the author of confusion man over the ages of time has added to the word. it has just about got to the point i hear of baptism i wonder if they are saved... i have a friend in pastor position he puts it straight out.. jesus said bring forth fruits if repentance . we live in a world of doctrines of men water baptism never saved anyone it follows salvation i know the c.c and few others put strong emphasis on baptism . the devil is at work blinding folks with religion and ceremonies
those who rebaptize into the church for membership . God is not the author of confusion man over the ages of time has added to the word. it has just about got to the point i hear of baptism i wonder if they are saved... i have a friend in pastor position he puts it straight out.. jesus said bring forth fruits if repentance . we live in a world of doctrines of men water baptism never saved anyone it follows salvation i know the c.c and few others put strong emphasis on baptism . the devil is at work blinding folks with religion and ceremonies
Hey forgiven;
I once saw you in a photo baptizing one of your members. Praise God!
When someone asks you to baptize them, do you make time to meet and help them understand the purpose of water baptism prior to baptizing them?
God bless you, Jerry.
We're baptized into Christ once, no?
Hello crossnote;
Yes, once is sufficient for spiritual and water baptism.
God bless you.
Bob
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yes i do i make it very clear that was first church i was pastor of her name was faith, i am very opposed to baptizing for the Remission of sins , its a false teaching they baptize you with emotions ..then tell them you have the gift of the holy ghost . i am % 100 opposed to charismatic teaching... NOT being Pentecost
Bob an interesting perspective. You call it bubba dedication. What does that entail ? A few goo goos and gah gahs perhaps and than we see you in 12 yrs when bubba is able to speak properly understand fully why they are being throwing in the pond. You must explain me some more : ) We only know the infant baptism. But in your understanding a child cannot fully have any understanding of the initiation of baptism at such a young age. But is the logic and reasoning a correct one?. My question to that reasoning would be when was it ever about age. Under the old covenant newly borns babies were circumcised at 8 days and initiated and accepted into the community as a covenant people . Leviticus 12:3 ,Luke 2:21, Acts 7:8. The babies had no idea or understanding of what was taking place. Baptism is now the new covenant sign of initiation and acceptance into a Christian community . Baptism was never about your age it was seen as a covenant of your identity just as in the old so in the new. Many here seem to throw out the baby out with the bath water due to the many doctrinal problems in many areas which have gradually crept into the Roman Catholic Church over the centuries. Child baptism isn’t one those problems though they do interpret it a little differently. And thinking upon that. I do think upon Bobs departure from the Catholic Church. Bob not remember why he left ?
Oh really. Perhaps a case of amnesia or old age . Primmy with her very curious nature and very alert fox ears does ponder and be some curious about that : ) Bob wishing you a nice morning in your part of the world. 
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Prim, You are trying to turn this into a conversation about infant baptism when the original post said MANDATORY baptism. Can you show me any scripture that says we are to force people to be baptized whether they believe or not? You have compared infant baptism to the law of circumcision, however, neither has anything to do with that child's salvation. The circumcision only identified them as a member of a particular group of people that were under God's law. If they did not keep the law their circumcision was of no value at all (see Romans 2:28-29). If one has not accepted Jesus as Lord and savior, then their baptism is likewise of no account. We are not instructed to force people into baptism, but to share the gospel and then baptize those, who have believed. God bless you, sister.
Bob an interesting perspective. You call it bubba dedication. What does that entail ? A few goo goos and gah gahs perhaps and than we see you in 12 yrs when bubba is able to speak properly understand fully why they are being throwing in the pond. You must explain me some more : ) We only know the infant baptism. But in your understanding a child cannot fully have any understanding of the initiation of baptism at such a young age. But is the logic and reasoning a correct one?. My question to that reasoning would be when was it ever about age. Under the old covenant newly borns babies were circumcised at 8 days and initiated and accepted into the community as a covenant people . Leviticus 12:3 ,Luke 2:21, Acts 7:8. The babies had no idea or understanding of what was taking place. Baptism is now the new covenant sign of initiation and acceptance into a Christian community . Baptism was never about your age it was seen as a covenant of your identity just as in the old so in the new. Many here seem to throw out the baby out with the bath water due to the many doctrinal problems in many areas which have gradually crept into the Roman Catholic Church over the centuries. Child baptism isn’t one those problems though they do interpret it a little differently. And thinking upon that. I do think upon Bobs departure from the Catholic Church. Bob not remember why he left ?
Good morning, Prim90;
Pray tell, what is a "bubba" dedication? lol!
You mention "perspective" and "my understanding." Both of these do not qualify me to officiate Baby Dedications. Its prayer, seeking knowledge, wisdom, discernment and applying the Word of God when presenting it to the infant's parents.
Two examples are 1 Samuel 1:11, 26-28, and in Luke 2:27-38 - Hannah, Joseph and Mary dedicated their sons Samuel and Jesus to God.
As I meet with the parents, it's my role to help them understand the dedication of their child to God. I emphasize it's not by force but solely their choice and desire to God.
I further explain their decision as being stewards of God's creation, after all, He entrusts Dad and Mom to be accountable in the raising of their children in a Christian foundation upbringing. Many parents have never had it explained to them this way.
In a Baby Dedication I assure you there are no goos goos and gah gahs. Usually the infant is sleeping, some cry while in the arms of it's parents.
At the time when the infant reaches an age where they can make the decision on their own to be water baptized, my experience in baptizing sub teens is an average of 12 years, and older. At this time of their life they understand what's being explained to them.
My departure from the Catholic Church when I was barely 19 years old and most of my 20s was a decision that I pondered for years. Part of the reason was so my wife and I could "sample the world." It was wonderful but my lifestyle was wrong. I wasn't ready to set apart my life wholly for God until I reached my 30s. It was at that time God led us to a new Church, He opened my eyes and I began to trust Him in the direction and calling of our lives.
I hope this helps answer some of your questions, sister.
God bless you, Prim90.
Dave In Mei’s post 1 the headline begins with and proclaims ( SHOULD BAPTISM BE REPEATED ) ? Dues it not. The post than goes on to introduce a 2nd group of people those who have not been baptised. According to Baptist belief this is decided at the of understanding generally around 12 yrs of age. Than the question than turns to mandatory baptism being enforced upon them even if they not than believe . The question than turns to upon later conversation should they have the right to be baptised again. Dave my apologies I misunderstood the full context of the post. We not have these problems it be foreign to our system of church belief. This be an entirely Baptist matter. Any more discussion about the merrits off Infant baptism is irrelevant to the post subject at hand . I now leave the post without any further discussion to your other questions because of the above mentioned. Dave may God continue to Bless your wk .
Prim
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