Speaking In Tongues
- Thread starter Silk
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Oh boy, hear we go again, I'll try to keep it short.
Paul tells us to obey the laws of the country we are living in, ...here we have to change our drivers license over to a French drivers license within 6 months of entering the country, but I couldn't read French to take the test, so I continued using my California drivers license converted to a international license, but then it expired so I was driving illegally for several years, then in '98 I went back to California and while I was there renewed my drivers license, came back and converted it again to a international drivers license, it was good 'til 2003, after it expired I continued to drive for another 2 years, then Father intervened and took the pickup away from me, I had to buy a 50cc scooter that doesn't require a drivers license and that was my transportation for 7 years, rain or sunshine, then Father told me to go and enroll in certain drivers school (we have to go to a drivers school to obtain our license, no exceptions), while attending the school Father told me to buy a truck, it's a little van, ...it's French, before I even had my drivers license, He told me to go to the bank and ask for a loan, yeah right, their going to loan $6,700 to me, 63 years old, taking high blood pressure medicine and shooting insulin, but they did(?), however they made a serious mistake with the loan and I could default without them having any recourse (it took 3 months for me to be approved for the loan and the salesman held the truck for me without any down payment(?), that had to be the Lord), I passed the driving test, bought the truck and life was great, then my 25 year old keyboard died, that is how I have worshiped the Lord all of these years, I went looking for a real piano and Father steered me to a digital piano, a Kawai ES7 to be exact, I fell in love with it the moment I played it, but didn't have $2,800 to buy it, then Father reminded me about the truck loan the bank was anxious about, went to see the man, told him I needed $2,800 to buy the Kawai ES7, and if he could add that on to the existing loan that would straighten out his problem, that was a Wednesday, Friday night my bride and I were worshiping the Lord with our new piano and I've been playing it for 8 months now.
So seriously, I ask you, with all of what you can see of how the Lord is faithfully working in my life all of these years, ...why in the world would I want to mutter and peep???
Confused,
Gene
That's a tough one Silk, who can say, I'm adopted and not one person in my adopted family was/is saved, that's wrong, my mother is saved, on her death bed, but that's another story, ...it's my hope and prayer that my girls will receive the Lord and be a part of the church, if not then I hope and pray they will come to the Lord during the Tribulation for salvation, but that's my whole point, I want to pray with my intelligence, for me the souls of my two precious girls are too important to leave it up to mumbo jumbo, I want to take care of business while I'm in the Throne Room, Paul teaches we can groan when we pray and I do do that, especially when I think of what is awaiting them if they don't receive Jesus, ...that groaning comes from the heart of a heartbroken father.
Blessings,
Gene
Blessings,
Gene
MichaelH
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Man, guess it would do good just to hang out for a bit then. Follow after those who through faith and patience inherit the promises. The issue is you don't see the value in tongues. All I can say is that it would be a major blessing to your prayer time.
I showed you Mark 16 the signs that follow them that believe. Now don't test out the drinking poison one, but it's there just in case. I showed you that the laying hands on the sick was just a provision to believers through the Word and faith in the name of Jesus.
It is the same passage in James. Call the elders of the Church, the pray of faith shall save the sick. Notice we don't have to wait around for any gifts of healing to start manifesting, just the prayer of faith from the elders of the church and God shall rise them up. If there be sins they will be forgiven.
So, tongues would be something to look into because I use it to get wisdom from God. It's supernatural prayer to use in natural situations.
Story: (short version but this is where I got the scare on my nose from a devil)
In prison I got woken up by my other brothers. They tell me one of my brothers and my friend was out in the day room waiting on a ambulance. They tell me they already laid hands on him, rebuked devils and nothing was helping. My Brother felt that God was going to kill him and talked about it frequently because of what he done to get in prison and throw away his Pastor position.
I assured him over and over God can forgive and fix. People are hard headed though.
Well, i was not sure what I could do. If others had already tried to minister to him then I was out of options. I went out there anyway and there he was, slumped on a table with a guard there waiting on the ambulance. I walked over and he said that he thinks he is dying, his heart and a bunch of other stuff.
I think most of it was in his head to be honest, but I am no doctor.
He tells me he does not want to do faith confessions.............. Well, there went that idea, confess the Word.
The only other tool I have is tongues at this point. I don't know if He is really in serious condition, in his head. It's real to him though.
So, I start off with knowing the will of God. It's not God's will he be hurt and have to go to the hospital. I know that but what to do?
So I start praying in tongues, I tell God I am going to get a word back on what to do. Tongues is like that, but when I start to pray in tongues, the strangest thing started to happen. The devils started to act stupid. It was surreal but I just kept praying in tongues.
Finally I felt that release inside, I knew i had my answer and no sooner thinking that the Lord spoke to me.
"Go hold your Brothers hand and praise me, take turns thanking me with him."
At the time I did not fully understand the power of praise, so I was not sure how that was going to help but it was direction from the Lord.
So I sat down, held his hand and told him we were going to take turns praising God for something. I went first and thanked God for the chow hall food. (I think it was cake day that day) he said thank you for my family, then we just took turns and the power of God fell on both of us. I just started to laugh and whatever was wrong with my brother was healed instantly.
Ambulance shows up and now he ask me if he should go to the hospital, I tell him to just go and get checked out. They found nothing which I suspected but I can't say 100% God did not heal him of something serious either. Some cry wolf a bit to often if you know what I mean.
Just an example of many why muttering and peeping is a good idea.
Blessings.
Gene - I pray for your daughters.
Good Post Michael. All the stories are important I think. I don't think it is just a matter of faith and how much you have, I think we get what we need when we need it.
I don't think the Apostle Paul is saying he is saying he prays in tongues - I think you can pray in spirit with understanding as he actually says. I believe you feel you get something "more" out of praying in tongues than otherwise but I'm not sure it can be measured against each other.
Good Post Michael. All the stories are important I think. I don't think it is just a matter of faith and how much you have, I think we get what we need when we need it.
I don't think the Apostle Paul is saying he is saying he prays in tongues - I think you can pray in spirit with understanding as he actually says. I believe you feel you get something "more" out of praying in tongues than otherwise but I'm not sure it can be measured against each other.
Your "proposition" raises a question (maybe more). How many languages have there been in the world, and still are? For you are presuming that your "interpreter" has a clear understanding of ALL the languages...not! Another presumption is that the Holy Spirit will oblige you. Why should the Holy Spirit do that?
"And they were filled all with the Holy Spirit, and began to speak with other tongues as the Spirit gave utterance." Being born of water and of the Spirit is not "...of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." Man cannot move the Spirit of the Lord because of their parents were righteous, by their own strength, nor through man's logic. It is the Spirit that wills to be made manifest in whomsoever.
Be careful you don't try to "buy" God's Spirit, like Simon!
Read down further - we lost the translator - and as far as I know, there are only 2 types: the original 11 and everyone else who speaks in tongues. But it was posted for clarification and enlightment for one and all. It was not a test of God.
MichaelH
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She was just trying to figure things out. We just don't "Interpret" the gift of tongues, it's still as the Spirit wills. I know very few people constantly used in that gift, but I assume Paul said make sure that someone God uses that way is there if using tongues in a Church setting.
Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Heb 6:12 That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.
(If you get around people and see how it works, then we are more apt to follow and receive the same things they did. This is one big reason people are so against tongues, it says faith comes by hearing............ Not reading. Though I have gotten more faith meditating on the Word, but someone helped expound on understanding for me first)
Praise God Silk!! Well, stories are good, but I can only give what happened, and How tongues came into play. It's praying in the spirit to get understanding past what we can know naturally. We still have to wait on God when seeking him this way, just like praying in our own language.
Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
(Rom 8:26-27)
In my story, my brother was waiting on the ambulance convinced God was going to kill him and it was time for him to die. The scripture says the Holy Spirit helps us because we don't know what to always pray for and makes intercessions for the saints.
I guess there might be 5 other believers that need prayer, but We might not know for what or even their names so when prompted to pray, tongues is a good tool to use.
Keep in mind that all testimonies are based on the persons current revelation and may not be 100% scripturally accurate. I would like to think I responded 100% according with scripture that night, but to say I did everything right and perfect would be to say I know all there is to know about God and His word. We both know that is not the case.
So take all stories and testimonies understanding this. It's what happened, and I might have done something better or different with more understanding.
Maybe the following can serve as "clarification and enlightenment". The Holy Spirit does not need a "translator": but will give the interpretation to whomsoever he will. "But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. For to one is given...the interpretation of tongues; but all these works the one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will." The nine gifts of the Holy Spirit have always been in the Church. So it is the Holy Spirit who will choose the one who will "speak in tongues", as well as the one who will interpret.
No - the Holy Spirit doesn't need a translator - those who hear do, if they want to understand. Have you read the thread? The problem comes when people speak in tongues, there are no translators, and the speaker doesn't know what is being said. No one is saying that there are no nine gifts or that the Holy Spirit/God determine the gifts.
What I was saying is that most of the time I pray with the understanding but sometimes the Spirit just takes over and I pray or sing from the spirit with fulness of joy with no understanding (intellect) involved...it just pours out in glory to Him. I have no idea what my heart is saying, but He does) but I know what it is feeling toward God and it certainly cannot be a bad thing or a demonic thing. Ever just weep with joy in prayer and worship when God's presence and love just showers over you? All you are is a vessel filled with thanksgiving and gratefulness and you cannot contain it or express it in words? I love that so much I wish it were my everyday experience. It is an elation that soars so high and yet it is so humbling. Do you know what I mean? Has anyone else ever had that kind of joy filled experience? It gives me so much assurance yet awareness of my smallness and lack of worthiness save through Christ who ransomed me.
As for tongues one is God speaking through a person or persons to others, the other is a person's spirit speaking selflessly to Him alone. I see this as very different. But we each have our specific relationship with Him at different places on the road with different talents and gifts and purposes uniquely appointed by Him for His unique use for each of us...different members of one body (one is an eye, another a mouth, some are His hands or even His feet to carry the gospel spoken or lived from one place to another). No two walks are the same, but we have the self same Spirit (Hallelujah)....
brother Paul
Yes Paul, I have had those feelings - so intense I slipped out of my body - but English was all I spoke or heard. I agree that no 2 walks are the same. And thanks for your explanation of how you felt because I did want to compare the 2. And I am content with my place on my journey. Are you saying speaking in tongues is more exhalted? Higher on the road?
Not at all brother...we are fine, the ground is level at the foot of the cross...
I worded that wrong, I think. We all feel special when we feel the presence of God. But we don't all speak in tongues or heal or make prophecies when we do. It does not show a higher level of faith or spirituality. And I agree that prayer is a greater healer, volume wise than anyone who lays hands. I can accept these are personal confirmation in our journey. But I see nothing but chaos for a church, shall we say, where all members have to speak in tongues as a marker of faith or our journey - particularly when even the speakers don't know what they are saying. To feel good? to feel holy? to feel spiritual? Why would the God who gave us free will want us to speak to Him of what we do not understand? The Holy Spirit is God - why would God need to converse with Himself? I have felt the Holy Spirit - I have felt the presence of God. Words can never express what that truly entails. But when God wants to speak to me He uses English. When I speak to Him I use the english of my mind. Unknown tongues I don't see a use for on my journey. I may change that if I start babbling - I'll let you know (grin). I can accept it for others but I wouldn't trade my own experiences for ones I have no understanding of.
Mike, I'm sorry to say this,. but you just don't get it, ...I don't need or want speaking in tongues (unless it's the Tahitian language).
What you are saying and have been saying since the first thread I read about your idea of speaking in tongues is you claim there is a supernatural power in speaking in tongues, you claim to heal people by speaking in tongues to or over them, that you can control and use this supernatural power any time you want by triggering it by speaking in tongues, ....that makes you God, ...you say it and by your supernatural power of speaking in tongues it happens, ...that is what I see you are saying in all of your posts.
But the Word said they heard them speaking, "the wonderful works of God," ...you claim Mark 16 to be your authority for you acts, but that is not the context of how Jesus taught it, His intention for the gift was to allow these unlearned Galileans to go into all of the world and preach the Gospel in languages they had never learned or maybe even heard, no where is it recorded for us the Apostles used speaking in tongues to heal someone, Paul never taught us how to pray in tongues and no where in the New Testament do we find a supernatural power or anointing on a person speaking in tongues to heal, exorcise or anything else, ...speaking in tongues is telling the wonderful works of God, ...the world is intrigued by the gifts Gen 24:29, 30 and the Lord uses miracles, healing and speaking in tongues to arouse their curiosity, but what happened after they spoke in tongues, Peter preached the Gospel to them, tongues are for unbelievers .
Paul tells us prophesying is more important than speaking in tongues 1 Cor 14:15, but you don't believe that, you refuse to believe what Paul clearly taught in 1 Cor 12:28-30 that not everyone will speak in tongues, you refuse to believe that I have taken 1 Cor 12:31 as a life verse for myself and have coveted earnestly the best gift, better than speaking in tongues, you my friend are tunneled visioned, you only see one thing and that is why I voiced my concern for you and your son concerning the rewards you will receive or have burned up at the Bema seat of Christ.
You deny the authority of the Word in your life, you pick and chose what you want to believe, take your story, you prayed in tongues over a brother, a believer, and you claim the Holy Spirit answered you for him and chasing away the devils, ...but Scripture plainly states that tongues are for unbelievers 1 Cor 14:22, so which is it, was he not a believer or the Holy Spirit went against the written Word?
I'm not against speaking in tongues as it is taught in the Word and I'm not against you having a prayer language if you feel you need it, but obey Scripture and keep it to yourself in private between you and the Lord, the gift of speaking in an unlearned language is for the church, the gift of a prayer language is for individuals, so you need to stop confusing the two and in turn confuse the Lord's children with your misunderstanding.
I highly suggest your prayerfully read, receive and appropriate the 14th chapter of Corinthians into your Christian walk.
Blessings,
Gene
What you are saying and have been saying since the first thread I read about your idea of speaking in tongues is you claim there is a supernatural power in speaking in tongues, you claim to heal people by speaking in tongues to or over them, that you can control and use this supernatural power any time you want by triggering it by speaking in tongues, ....that makes you God, ...you say it and by your supernatural power of speaking in tongues it happens, ...that is what I see you are saying in all of your posts.
But the Word said they heard them speaking, "the wonderful works of God," ...you claim Mark 16 to be your authority for you acts, but that is not the context of how Jesus taught it, His intention for the gift was to allow these unlearned Galileans to go into all of the world and preach the Gospel in languages they had never learned or maybe even heard, no where is it recorded for us the Apostles used speaking in tongues to heal someone, Paul never taught us how to pray in tongues and no where in the New Testament do we find a supernatural power or anointing on a person speaking in tongues to heal, exorcise or anything else, ...speaking in tongues is telling the wonderful works of God, ...the world is intrigued by the gifts Gen 24:29, 30 and the Lord uses miracles, healing and speaking in tongues to arouse their curiosity, but what happened after they spoke in tongues, Peter preached the Gospel to them, tongues are for unbelievers .
Paul tells us prophesying is more important than speaking in tongues 1 Cor 14:15, but you don't believe that, you refuse to believe what Paul clearly taught in 1 Cor 12:28-30 that not everyone will speak in tongues, you refuse to believe that I have taken 1 Cor 12:31 as a life verse for myself and have coveted earnestly the best gift, better than speaking in tongues, you my friend are tunneled visioned, you only see one thing and that is why I voiced my concern for you and your son concerning the rewards you will receive or have burned up at the Bema seat of Christ.
You deny the authority of the Word in your life, you pick and chose what you want to believe, take your story, you prayed in tongues over a brother, a believer, and you claim the Holy Spirit answered you for him and chasing away the devils, ...but Scripture plainly states that tongues are for unbelievers 1 Cor 14:22, so which is it, was he not a believer or the Holy Spirit went against the written Word?
I'm not against speaking in tongues as it is taught in the Word and I'm not against you having a prayer language if you feel you need it, but obey Scripture and keep it to yourself in private between you and the Lord, the gift of speaking in an unlearned language is for the church, the gift of a prayer language is for individuals, so you need to stop confusing the two and in turn confuse the Lord's children with your misunderstanding.
I highly suggest your prayerfully read, receive and appropriate the 14th chapter of Corinthians into your Christian walk.
Blessings,
Gene
MichaelH
Inactive
Gene, I never said that one time. I never mentioned tongues heals anyone. Please don't make things up I never said or even hinted at.
Once again, I never said that. Don't be a false witness against me. Up till now i thought you were pretty awesome brother.
Paul said I rather ye prophesies. That is not something we choose to do but as the Spirit distributes.
I deny what Gene? Really? I never said I prayed in tongues over any brother. I never said the Holy Spirit chased any devil away. I said my nose was cut by one.
It's you that are not reading all the scriptures, it would not be me. Your also claiming I said things I never even mentioned.
1Co 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
It's a sign Gene, that is it. It does not mean we just use tongues when unbelievers are around. It's just a sign.
1Co 14:39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
(1Co 14:5)
Paul said He would rather we what? All speak with tongues, and if one interpret it will edify the unbelievers? No the whole church.
The scripture PLAINLY STATES tongues is just for the unbeliever?
He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
(1Co 14:4)
It's a sign to the unbeliever how about it's also for Edifying yourself.
For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
(1Co 14:14-15)
Speaking in tongues, Paul said it's called "Praying in the Spirit" That something your not interested in? We only pray in the spirit in front of unbelievers?
If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?
(1Co 14:23)
If tongues was just only for unbelievers why would they say were are mad if the whole church is praying in tongues when a unbeliever walks in?
could it be you have taken one scripture out of context to prove me wrong? I think that is the case.
So, instead of me denying the Authority of the Word of God, why don't you accuse yourself of not even taking time to read the whole chapter? That would be more the case here.
Also please stop lying and saying things I never said. I never said tongues healed anyone, I never said I chased devils away with tongues and I never said I prayed over anyone in tongues. Lying is not a good thing Gene, you should know that.
Speaking in tongues, an unlearned language, is receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit; while the gift of speaking in tongues is given by the Holy Spirit.
The (about) 120 disciples and apostles in the upper room on the Day of Pentecost ALL were filled with the Holy Spirit and "...began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance," It does not state that some were filled with the Holy Spirit while others spoke in other tongues. All were filled, and all began to speak in other tongues. It was not tongues that were poured out, but the Holy Spirit! This signifies that it was the Holy Spirit that governed (as opposed to possessed) the tongues of those who were "...in one place and in one accord...". They were all submissive to the Lord. James 3:5 says that "...the tongue can no man tame..."; and, "...if any man offend not in word, then he is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body." So now we have received the Holy Spirit. Why? So that the body (temptations of the flesh) can be bridled (tamed). This can no man accomplish, but by the leading of the Holy Spirit which we (the Church) has received.
There's more to come.
The (about) 120 disciples and apostles in the upper room on the Day of Pentecost ALL were filled with the Holy Spirit and "...began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance," It does not state that some were filled with the Holy Spirit while others spoke in other tongues. All were filled, and all began to speak in other tongues. It was not tongues that were poured out, but the Holy Spirit! This signifies that it was the Holy Spirit that governed (as opposed to possessed) the tongues of those who were "...in one place and in one accord...". They were all submissive to the Lord. James 3:5 says that "...the tongue can no man tame..."; and, "...if any man offend not in word, then he is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body." So now we have received the Holy Spirit. Why? So that the body (temptations of the flesh) can be bridled (tamed). This can no man accomplish, but by the leading of the Holy Spirit which we (the Church) has received.
There's more to come.
I believe as true/real all the stories/testimonials said in this thread - by Paul, Michael, Gene, Major. I think I understood the points of the stories, as well. Where before, I thought, at best speaking in tongues, was just a comfort from the comforter, I now see it in use as something different - perhaps a tool for some, to strengthen faith. I still have reservations because I do not speak in tongues - and I do not know anyone more blessed by the Lord than me 
(kidding a little). I don't have a ministry. Maybe the Lord knows I don't need this gift more than I need understanding. (Does typoing all over the place mean I am typing in tongues? - Lighten up)
(kidding a little). I don't have a ministry. Maybe the Lord knows I don't need this gift more than I need understanding. (Does typoing all over the place mean I am typing in tongues? - Lighten up)
MichaelH
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Hate to break it to you, but I am the Lords Favorite. You can be second favorite if you want.. I still have reservations because I do not speak in tongues - and I do not know anyone more blessed by the Lord than me
That is an amazing revelation to speak like that though. God loves me the most!!! John spoke like that and I think to rub it into Peter. I am the one the Lord loved.
God loves me to much to let me stay sick or loose a grand kid. NOPE, I am his favorite is child like faith that moves mountains. I wish all believers talked like you.
My pastors wife says I am God's favorite and i am the most blessed, even though Her and Gloria Copeland disagree, (Playing)
but it's that love of God and that looking up saying Daddy that is hard to find.
Blessing Major, when you get to lying and misquoting someone's whole post, it might be best to close the thread. I have no idea what is wrong with Gene or even if He is all there mentally. He could be just bound by religion and spirits that blind him and He reads it but a spirit flips it around on him so he thinks he understands but does not. I hope that is the case and he just needs delivered.
Religious spirits can actually cause you to not understand what you have even read in the Word, even the simple things. Pride is the thing that lets this blinding in though, so that is a root issue that needs a heart change.
Talking with one Pastor about healing, I brought up the issue of Blood where the women said, "If I just touch his garment, I shall be healed."
A perfect example on how to be healed by the Word. The women first believed, then she called those things that be not as though they were. She believed in her heart, then confessed with her mouth. The centurion did the same thing. "Just speak the Word only and my servant shall be healed. No need to even come see him."
It's that kind of faith to where we believe it so much, that is all that occurs to use to come out of our mouth. It moves mountains. Out of the abundance of our heart we speak.
If we don't believe the word, our mouth will give us away for we can't just control the tongue, the tongue speaks what is dormant in our heart. "idle words" it's words not connected to the brain but attached to our belief system.
The Pastor said ........ Well, Jesus allowed the women with the issue of blood to be healed. I asked where that scripture was at. He then said he knew ahead of time the women was going to grab him. I said that can't be because Jesus asked who touched him, he felt the anointing being sucked out of him. The women made it to the power source and by faith the anointing worked for her.
He said that is not what it is saying, Jesus choose to heal her. I said again, Jesus said to the women, YOUR FAITH made you whole, Jesus had nothing to do with her healing.
Even showing this guy plain scripture his religious oppression was blinding him from even having the simple ability to read properly.
I Believe this is what is wrong with Gene. It's a sad thing to have a spirit twist what you read so that you can't even understand what it is you have just read. I have seen it more than once and you find it often on these forums.
people will ignore whole scriptures to keep believing the way they want. You can even show them 10 scriptures and nothing registers in their heads. It's just blank up there.
Let them close it, people know where to find me if they are interested in the amazing gift of tongues. It might not help much in church but it's saved me and mine more than once.
blessings.