No, JW's are not preterist
Yes, they are indeed a bird of a unique stripe, such as the grave being Hell...
MM
No, JW's are not preterist
Whatever. Maybe you should go on a mission to Israel and try to convert some Jews to Christ .Yes, they are indeed a bird of a unique stripe, such as the grave being Hell...
MM
They're not so unique in that regard, plenty of groups out there that believe in soul sleepYes, they are indeed a bird of a unique stripe, such as the grave being Hell...
MM
Whatever. Maybe you should go on a mission to Israel and try to convert some Jews to Christ .
God was done with Israel in AD 70. Note the haulocist is not 8n the Bible.
AMEN!!!God was never "done" with Israel. That's a rudiment of those who subscribe to "replacement theology."
Well, God honored the 12 Tribes in the New Covenant... the new heaven and earth in Rev. 22, for His name sake.God was never "done" with Israel. That's a rudiment of those who subscribe to "replacement theology."
Harriet, I am Israeli, and to say what you stated is an attempt at a slap in the face of a nation of which you seem to know nothing about. Revelation, Zechariah, Ezekiel, Isaiah, Matthew, Mark and Luke, et al, they ALL speak of the Lord once again turning His fixated gaze upon Israel to fulfill His promises and covenant.
I'm not going to argue this with you because it's settled in scripture. The problem is those who subjectively shift the biblical time tables about in order to try and force scripture into conformity to the replacement theology framework. Preterism is one such system of thought and belief that adheres to replacement theology.
I don't mean to apply the sting of any slap to those who adhere to replacement theology and preterism. My being of Israeli dissent, and hearing this kind of stuff spouted about that is so opposed to what we can read in scripture, no. What we all DO know is that God is right and truthful, and mankind is a body of liars by comparison.
Amen.
MM
Well, God honored the 12 Tribes in the New Covenant... the new heaven and earth in Rev. 22, for His name sake.
God destroyed that evil generation of Israel who rejected their Messiah.
only the believing Jews escaped and fled beyond the mountains, as the Lord warned in Matt. 24.
I could go on bc I am equipped to debate any futurist. Something that you hide behind in any debate bc we get silenced on a few websites
So, I care about a clear future. Not crazy fiction about some future end times
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End times came for Israel. The old Jerusalem made way for the new covenant.
Couldn't even vaguely understand your whole post.Folks, for starters, please read Ezekial 37. In there you will see the prophecy of the two sticks (Israel (Ephraim) and Judah) brought together into one stick, gathered together as ONE nation, and their becoming once again the means by which the Lord continues His fulfillment of the promises made to Abraham.
The God spoken of in our Bibles is consistent, reliable, and utterly solid in His words, in His meaning, and His resolve for fulfilling ALL that He set out to do.
Contrary to the god-image portraiture painted by the replacement theology camp of a god that makes mistakes and casts aside entire nations He had spent so much of His efforts with through the ages, the God of the Bible is One who doesn't fit into the man-shaped and sized box of constraints, limitations and imperfections we see in replacement theology and cultic systems of thought.
The God we see in scripture is Mighty, Glorious, Perfect, Holy, and infinitely Majestic in ALL that He does.
The portrait of ficklness painted by various premises and conclusions that lead others into envisioning a god far less than the God we read about in scriptures, that's one of many things Paul of Tarsus warned that we watch for and defend our minds against.
MM
All twisted words to me. "our" conclusions" are not based on prophecies. Prophecies ended in AD70. Christ came spiritually figuratively physically in the clouds above Jerusalem. Take the time to read Roman history and Josephus in those days because you ignore that and just want to make something out of Revelation, a book you seem to have no knowledge of interpreting. Daniel said the scroll was for the end times. Something John had the whole vision of prophecy in Revelation. The "end times" came for the old covenant Israel.Generally speaking (for everyone here, and speaking to no individual in particular), it's always good practice to state more than just a conclusion. Expecting any conclusion statement to be believed by others involves providing some substance for backing.
In other words, our conclusions need to be supported by reasonable premises that others may check out for themselves to see if there's any substance to the stated conclusion. That's just good practice not only in the circles of higher, intellectual discussions and debate, but also a common courtesy to others if one dares expect their conclusion to be taken seriously, and therefore acceptable. Otherwise, the conclusion statement is nothing but a mere opinion that has every appearance of irrationality and emotive bias.
That concludes today's PSA (Public Service Announcement). Now, back to our regularly scheduled program....
MM
All twisted words to me. "our" conclusions" are not based on prophecies. Prophecies ended in AD70. Christ came spiritually figuratively physically in the clouds above Jerusalem. Take the time to read Roman history and Josephus in those days because you ignore that and just want to make something out of Revelation, a book you seem to have no knowledge of interpreting. Daniel said the scroll was for the end times. Something John had the whole vision of prophecy in Revelation. The "end times" came for the old covenant Israel.
It's so plain to see if you only admit you are brainwashed by modern times . I did not grow up nor was exposed to any preacher, priest or anyone telling me Jesus was still coming!
Maybe it's bc I would hold them to saying there's gonna be actual, in reality, a literal meaning to Christ REALLY coming on a white horse , etc.
Ask me and I'll tell you what is literal in Revelation bc you need to identify that in order to know what the figurative language means.
Trouble is, you forget about Jesus coming the 1st time. Then you miss all the real blessings when you try to pull Him down from Heaven again!
Not going to happen. Doesn't need to happen either bc He already made the necessary changes for the world through the Gospel.
Folks, for starters, please read Ezekial 37. In there you will see the prophecy of the two sticks (Israel (Ephraim) and Judah) brought together into one stick, gathered together as ONE nation, and their becoming once again the means by which the Lord continues His fulfillment of the promises made to Abraham.
The God spoken of in our Bibles is consistent, reliable, and utterly solid in His words, in His meaning, and His resolve for fulfilling ALL that He set out to do.
Contrary to the god-image portraiture painted by the replacement theology camp of a god that makes mistakes and casts aside entire nations He had spent so much of His efforts with through the ages, the God of the Bible is One who doesn't fit into the man-shaped and sized box of constraints, limitations and imperfections we see in replacement theology and cultic systems of thought.
The God we see in scripture is Mighty, Glorious, Perfect, Holy, and infinitely Majestic in ALL that He does.
The portrait of ficklness painted by various premises and conclusions that lead others into envisioning a god far less than the God we read about in scriptures, that's one of many things Paul of Tarsus warned that we watch for and defend our minds against.
MM
Hello Musicmaster;
Seriously, is there a way to research our family and the Ten Tribes of Israel, other than ancestry.com?
Because if there is I'm sure this source will provide more information that will help us in our search of the promise.
The Ten Tribes' starting point had to expand beyond Israel and somewhere along the way it will have crossed the path of all our family's history.
This may be off track in this topic but as God continues to fulfill the promises made to Abraham will not be limited to a select few generations but by His design, His bringing together the whole Body as One and One Nation.
God bless you, brother and thank your for sharing.
You need MM, to study history . You reject that about 1st century Roman writers and Josephus. That makes you just another dispensational commentator on prophecies in the Bible. Don't ever say I am outclassed here or anywhere. God is not a respecter of persons. Ezekiel 37?!! Give me a break. Quotes from Don Preston are the answer. His book, "Who is this Babylon" a total game changer and actually my 1st book years ago (2008) or so. a totally spi
Most of Revelation is a spiritual analogy of the events that would physically happen to the unbelieving Jews. Wh you must identify 1st, comparing Scripture to Scripture in order to interpret the TextFolks, generally speaking, there are indeed many writers out there who allegoricalize-spiritualize the scriptures in order to twist them to their personal bias. Nothing new about that at all. Historians have indeed recorded many things that happened in the past, which is great, but they are not the definers of meaning nor intent from the things of God.
Additionally, we have to keep in mind that antagonism is far from the means by which we can discuss topics constructively, especially to the point of conviction. When antagonism is the tone of rebuttals, that's when we can pretty much rest assured about the weak and shabby foundations upon which those who vomit antagonism knows they are on shabby grounding. It's my hope that others here will enter into this topic without feeling intimidated by antagonistic rhetoric that fails to establish their views as worthy of consideration.
Of greatest value is 1 John 2:27, whereby we have a Source from Whom we know without a doubt that the truth may be known and grasped that can, and does much of the time, run counter to the various departures from proper hermeneutics.
MM