You could say that about the scriptures too. Not every piece of scripture was immediately and fully realized the first time you read them.
The Critical Race Theory and Christianity Can Not Co-exist
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Thank you for the comment!
The CRT has now invaded the Southern Baptist Convention as well!
Peter.....I never said that you were wrong.
It is that what you are trying to say is not coming across very well.
Then the 3rd point is......I think to place yourself in a position of "elitism" is dangerous. I really do not think that you are anymore self aware than anyone else and I say that with all respect and Christian love.
That kind of attitude is distinctly unbiblical. In Philippians, the Apostle Paul describes Jesus — the only one who rightly deserves elite status — as one who, “though in the form of God, did not count equality with God as a thing to be grasped, but humbled himself.” Instead, Jesus washed His disciples’ feet, fellowshipped with sinners, tax collectors and the racially “unclean,” and was the first to champion equality for women, slaves, and even lepers.
Just a thought.
Yes, but as Christians we have the mind of Christ, as individuals we don’t have your mind.
Boom! Well said!
Wow, what judgments you make of me. I forgive your ignorance (ignoring what is true).
Be careful to not continue gloating over your own minds, for it's not Christ's. Instead, remain soft and calm (humble) to the Spirit of Truth within you. Otherwise you will only hear what your old self wants to hear.
What you call "judgments" I call observations on comments YOU made. Personally, if you will read the posts made, you will see that no one made judgments against you.
What was actually said.....(Please read the posts) was.......
"could you rephrase what you said?"
"I am not sure about what you are trying to say brother."
"No need to be sorry, could you explain it in Scriptural, rather than psychological terms?"
"Maybe I am misunderstanding something."
Now in country boy language, can you tell us how those questions are "Judgments"?
When I read those questions and comments to you, what I see is people trying to understand what it is that you are trying to say and are not judgments at all.
Now if you want an example of "judgmental" comments, allow me to post your last phrase of........
" I forgive your ignorance (ignoring what is true)."
THAT is not only judgmental but is highly disrespectful and insulting!
Words have depth of truth within them, and if a person does not wish to know the truth their mind will go into denial and only hear what they want to hear (Matthew 11:15 Whoever has ears, let them hear.)
I was not referring to those as judgments. I was referring to
... a statement of segregation....
I am explaining what I am forgiving you for _ for not hearing the truth of my responses.
If I only said "I forgive you", you may take it upon your old-self that you were righteous after all.
I made no judgment, just pointing out the truth that you did not understand me.
To whom?
Now Major, please be aware of a truth about the old self. It is only the old self (old nature) which conceives personally something 'highly disrespectful and insulting'.
Matthew 16:25 For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it.
We crucify our old self to resurrect the new Self, our Being in Christ.
The new Self, when in our consciousness, expresses unconditional truth, love and faith. The new Self knows it is okay and words such as 'disrespectful and insulting does not apply / belong to the new Self in Christ.
Just a point of clarification, since I was quoted here.
As born again Christians we all have the mind of Christ, but none of us have the mind of each other.
I don't have the mind of Bob, CP, or Major, nor do they have my mind (that's a good thing lol).
There was no intent of segregation or air of superiority made, just a fact of communication in a fallen world.
Agreed.
Nice talking with you Peter.
I don't even get into those types of arguments or debates as they have no solid foundation, their whole argument is based on the fallen wisdom of man. I rather bring everything back to Christ looking at it through the lens of scripture. Sure most people don't want to hear that it's not a race problem but a sin problem but it is what it is. I'm hear to share the Truth of Christ and those with ears to hear will hear.
Hi Peter, could you clarify "Is not the living spirit of God in each and every person..."
Are you suggesting God's Spirit indwells unbelievers?
Thank you for your thoughts.
You may "not even get into those types of arguments or debates" however you just did by posting that comment.
I do not argue or debate. I just post observed facts and Bible Scriptures.
As for the teaching of CRT. those proponents would never come out and state it plainly, but it does have a distinct doctrine of sin. We as Christians understand what the Bible teaches about sin and seek to clearly define it.
The Westminster Shorter Catechism defines sin as “the want of conformity unto or transgression of the Law of God” (WSC #14).
Now if anyone takes the time to read what the CRT n=believes and teaches you would see that, they would consider sin to be any want of conformity unto or transgression of their dogma, assumptions, or beliefs. Their doctrine of sin calls for confession (owning your sin), repentance (renouncing and turning away), and contrition (ongoing sorrow for sin), with the hope of absolution and acceptance from those who have placed themselves in the seat of God (you read that correctly).
For CRT, chief sins include “whiteness” . . . yes, those who promote CRT believe and teach and promote that being born white; more specifically, being born into a world of privilege. As a group, the advantage of whites over others include cultural affirmations of worth, higher social status, greater ability to purchase, better quality jobs, and more opportunity to advance in society over people of color.
From this flows what is referred to as systemic racism: that is, racism is simply built into the structure of white society.
According to the CRT-----We don’t think about it, it’s not action taken or prejudices held, but is simply the way our society exists and functions by nature. So while aspects of racism are taught and learned, it is mostly inherited. If you are white, then you are born in sin, whether you acknowledge it or not; by virtue of having white skin, you are a racist—a sinner—by nature. You may profess to not be racist or have privilege, you may try to prove these things with empirical facts, but do not waste your time; personal attitudes, actions, and experiences do not matter according to CRT.
From a biblical perspective this is fascinating because there is a scintilla of truth contained in their concept of sin, and that is that sin is inherent—we are born with it. The fatal flaw in their theology is that it is confined to only one group (whites) and that group alone can be guilty of the capital offenses of privilege and racism. CRT borrows just enough from the Christian worldview in order to justify its teachings and actions, all the while vehemently and ironically rejecting the biblical view of sin.
The Bible does indeed explicitly and emphatically teach that sin is inherent, that all of us are born in sin.
Psalms 51:5.........
"Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me
Romans 3:23........
"ALL have sinned and come short of the approval of God".
Romans 5:12......
"Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, so also death was passed on to all men, because all sinned. When Adam sinned, sin entered the world. Adam’s sin brought death, so death spread to everyone, for everyone sinned."
All of us, every single person ever born (save Jesus) is born in sin and that sin nature is extensive—it affects every aspect of our being, our heart, mind, body, and will. We desire sin. We seek it. We think sinful thoughts and say sinful things without ever having to be taught or trained to do so. We just sin. We act consistently with the sinful nature that the Bible says we all share.
(Source:https://www.redeemerchurchofsouthhills.org/wake-up-critical-race-theory-sin/)
As has been so aptly stated, “we are not sinners because we sin, we sin because we are sinners” (RC Sproul).
tsk, tsk, sounds like a sneaky way to rob non whites the offer of salvation.
Why have a savior if you’re not in sin?
No I didn't enter into the debate, what I said can be applied to all of mans fallen arguments. I chose not to go down any of those rabbit holes where the goal posts continually move.
CRT and Social Justice cries against alleged injustices, these clearly are wedges being hammered into pop Christianity through the more liberal denominations and independent groupings to try and pollute Christianity as a whole. The Marxist foundations of these movements is so very clear to anyone who would take the time and make the effort to look at it more deeply, with a willingness to compare it all to the scriptures.
These movements have also corrupted the understanding of God's word in the minds of those who are easily swayed through their own greed. Justin Peters makes an excellent case in his biblical exposition applied against these horrid movements.
These movements have also corrupted the understanding of God's word in the minds of those who are easily swayed through their own greed. Justin Peters makes an excellent case in his biblical exposition applied against these horrid movements.