The judgment seat of Christ: Dividing wheat from tares by works.

[forgiven61]

I apologize. Didn't mean to confuse anyone. Actually, Yes.....The judgment of nations and the sheep & goats Judgment are the same event.

i dont ask for apologizes i am in agreement with you on the judgement of nation .. i been speaking of the wheats and tares math 13


and we are in full agreement

Then In Revelation 20:4-15, we see that there are two resurrections – for dead people. At the end of Revelation 19:20-2, we find that living persons who received the mark of the beast and who worshipped his image will be immediately judged. This is the time of the Sheep and Goat judgment will occur.

 

[Godhelpus]

I like the term "Make-believers". There are those, who, profess to be Christian but their attitudes and deeds say otherwise.

This is certainly true by Scripture, however, with the subject at hand, it begs the question: Who makes this judgment between believers and make-believers, that confess Jesus Christ? Do we make that judgment, or the Lord?

Jas 4:11 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge. There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?

It's only the Lord that judges people naming His name by deeds. And so, where and when does He do that? If not at His Judgment seat, where we must all stand to give account of our deeds, then where?

Is there some Scripture, that plainly says the make-believers are not judged at His seat, when everyone else naming His name are?

And why are both good and bad deeds mentioned at His judgment seat?

 

[forgiven61]

This is why the thief of the cross example fails for me... he wasn't baptized because he literally could not be. The exception can't also be the rule. This view of baptism is always under extreme circumstances. I'm talking about the person who just doesn't want to or is putting it off for years and years. Someone who can't be baptized is different from someone who won't be baptized

water baptism does not save .. you can be in car wreck just minutes away from passing away being dead.. you can call upon Jesus ask forgiveness your saved..

 

[Godhelpus]

Bob.........You said.---
"why haven't we reached a common ground in this discussion?"

Because we are all sinners.
Because we are all stubborn.
Because we like what we know even if what we know is wrong = Bias.
Because some of us have personal opinions that are ingrained = Agenda.

Now, consider that you are in a church meeting and one person says.....I think the Holy Spirit is telling us to use drums.
Another church member says.....I think the Holy Spirit is telling us to use organs and pianos.
Who is right? Is one person more in tuned with God that the other one?

Of course you are going to say that we must consider the Scriptures and see what they say to us. I agree that the church is a creature that feeds upon and finds life in God’s Word. And we should hold fast to this truth.

Cordial discussions uselly lead to productive insights where there is growth and learning that takes place.

However, there’s often dead ends that happen in discussions about differences in biblical interpretation, which is what we see on forums all the time. That is always what happens particularly around contentious issues. You reach an impasse on a particular point simply because the litigators are.....
All are Sinners.
All are stubborn.
All of us like what we know.
All of us have personal opinions.

So then, sometimes that’s where the conversation ends. There comes a point in time when the conversation turns to "contentious" and that is where the moderators earn their high salary by deciding to shut down a topic of discussion.

Just a personal opinion that I am sharing and there is no need to send me a love offering on this.

I agree with this, because Scripture exhorts us not to endlessly debate things. To me the rule is simple. When we begin just repeating ourselves, then we're talking to walls, not open ears. Unless something new is brought in, then I simply move on.

In rare cases, if a charge of false doctrine and gospel is made, then I shut down immediately. Since the door is not only closed, but shut in the face. Scripture teaches us that if we really believe someone is giving false doctrine, then we ought just say goodbye:

2Jo 1:9 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:

 

[Godhelpus]

Water baptism is an act of faith (work) and is a necessary step in the salvation process.

A step? There are more? Like flesh circumcision?

Act 15:1And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.

Early Christian history teaches baptism. For the remission of sins.

It's never full proof to rely solely upon a word translation. The word can be translated by remission of sins. And so, by being forgiven, we can now be baptized with water in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. That's the nature of Phillip baptizing the Ethiopian, where his confession of whole-hearted faith in Jesus Christ, allows him to be baptized:

Act 8:36And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Water baptism is a privilege of saving faith, not a saving work. Context of all Scripture is the only way to rightly teach it. There are also examples of some confessing Jesus Christ, who only had John's water baptism, and so Paul gave them Jesus Christ's baptism. The Scripture says nothing about becoming forgiven and saved by the baptism.

Then there's Pauls' curious declaration that he purposely did not baptize new believers in Corinth, nor was he sent by the Lord to do so, but only to preach the gospel of faith in Jesus Christ. Was he going to leave them unforgiven and unsaved on purpose? He did not say that he had someone else do the baptizing. No doubt they were baptized by someone at some time, but not immediately by Paul who first preached the gospel to them.

If water baptism is necessary to be saved, sort of like flesh circumcision, then any delay is dangerous to the soul. And so it is with all works preached to be saved by, faith and confession from the heart in Jesus Christ becomes useless to save the soul, during the 'interim' of works. There's becomes a dangerous 'time lapse' after believing and receiving Christ, which is by hearing, not by working:

Gal 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

J
It can't be that the people who knew the people who knew Jesus got it wrong for a 1000+ years. They also have instruction for infant baptism in the Didache (70AD), less than 40yrs after Christ's death.

Didache? You've lost me there.

50yrs after the death of John the Apostle 》》ca. 150 A.D., Hermas, brother of Pope Saint Pius I, The Shepherd
— Remission of sins; born again through Baptism —

The Pope the Shepherd, I have not heard of, but Jesus Christ the Bishop and Shepherd of my soul, I have:

1Pe 2:25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

Jesus is the only one that's worthy of the capital Shepherd.

1Pe 5:4 And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.

Mandate 4:3:1 “I have heard, sir,” said I, “from some teachers, that there is no other repentance except that which took place when we went down into the water and obtained the remission of our former sins.” He said to me, “You have heard rightly, for so it is. …“They had need,” [the shepherd] said, “to come up through the water, so that they might be made alive; for they could not otherwise enter into the kingdom of God (John 3:5), except by putting away the mortality of their former life. These also, then, who had fallen asleep, received the seal of the Son of God, and entered into the kingdom of God.

21 Centuries — Behold The Truth

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Mandate 4:3:1? Lost me again.

I'm aware of many efforts by would be prophets and apostles trying to sound like Scripture, in order to give their stuff some theological heft, as though that's supposed to help make it true.

Joseph Smith was reasonably good at it, with a little help from his angel friend Moroni...

Gal 1:8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

 

[Godhelpus]

Since this is the end of the world, it seems to me that this is speaking of the great white throne judgement.

This is a reasonable conclusion; however, not the only one. The world is translated from age aionos, not cosmos. They are interchangeable in many cases, such as in Heb 1, where the God makes the ages/worlds by His Son. There is now only one world that will end, but there are more than one ages, that have and will end in this world.

The only time the end of this physical world is prophesied, is not in Matthew 24, which is the end of this age with the Lord's return. But rather in 2 Peter 3, when this heaven and earth will be burned away with fire. The judgment at that time can only be at the GWT.

Therefore, the separation between wheat and tares can well be made by God twice: First at the Lord's return with the first resurrection, and then at the GWT, when the rest of the dead live again.

The tares being burned in the fire seems to be a reference to the lake of fire which is the second death.

Once again, it can be first at the end of this age by the Lord's return, and again at the end of this world by fire and melting heat. However, Jesus informs us that specifically now in this age, there are both wheat and tares awaiting separation. That separation certainly is with His second coming, where He severs His good and faithful servants from the evil and unfaithful.

Unless there is Scripture specifically saying, that those bad believers and servants remain on earth, then the severing of tares from wheat can only be at the GWT. In that case, I would be corrected in part, and acknowledge the wheat and tares are not at the Bema judgment.

However, there is a problem with 'tares' in Matthew 13 during the Millennium:

Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

The devil will not be sowing anything on earth during the Millennium, because he will be shut up in the bottomless pit. Therefore, the those tares must be at this time, and severed at the Lord's return, when the angels will gather the wheat to meet with the Lord in the air, and the tares will be gathered and burned with fire in hell.

Everyone that goes into the millenium gets the same treatment, a forced righteousness (sort of), but not everyone responds by accepting Jesus. There are those that will still reject Him and rise up against Him at the end and will be consumed with fire from Heaven.

Very true. The Lord's millennium will be His greatest harvest of souls to Himself, in more abundance than all the thousands of years going before.

And when His reign expires, the devil will be loosed with liberty to round up the enemies of the Lord for one last battle on this earth. It will take however long to gather against the Lord, but in in day it will be quickly destroyed by fire of the Lord from heaven. A much larger repeat of Sodom and Gomorrah.

 

[Dave F.]

Can you please clarify these two statements? How can the devil not be sowing anything on earth and yet be let loosed to round up the enemies of the LORD?

The devil will not be sowing anything on earth during the Millennium, because he will be shut up in the bottomless pit. Therefore, the those tares must be at this time, and severed at the Lord's return, when the angels will gather the wheat to meet with the Lord in the air, and the tares will be gathered and burned with fire in hell.


And when His reign expires, the devil will be loosed with liberty to round up the enemies of the Lord for one last battle on this earth. It will take however long to gather against the Lord, but in in day it will be quickly destroyed by fire of the Lord from heaven. A much larger repeat of Sodom and Gomorrah.

I understand that the devil is chained up during the millenium and that he will be loosed, but you seem to be saying that the devil has nothing to do with these enemies of the LORD becoming the enemies of the LORD. Perhaps I am just misunderstanding you, which is why I ask for the clarification.

 

[Godhelpus]

This is why the thief of the cross example fails for me... he wasn't baptized because he literally could not be. The exception can't also be the rule. This view of baptism is always under extreme circumstances. I'm talking about the person who just doesn't want to or is putting it off for years and years. Someone who can't be baptized is different from someone who won't be baptized.

Now, I agree with this, and it ought be taught this way, with obedience to any commandment of God. It's not about becoming saved, but about keeping the commandments of the Lord, of which water baptism is one.

Mat 28:19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

 

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[In Awe of Him]

The below is the FIRST sentence in the original post.

In a nutshell first, I don't believe the Bible allows for any 'escape' from God's righteous judgment, where He judges all people by our work. The Bible does say that judgment begins with us His people before the unbelievers. I believe that is before Jesus Christ's seat at His second coming. He do as He promised and separate the wheat from the tares by judgment of our works.

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The above statement regarding God's judgement according to our WORKS goes against EVERYTHING I believe. There is NO common ground when fighting legalism.... and so I am surprised to see how far this thread has gone... and I am saddened to realize how quickly the atmosphere can change when GRACE comes under attack.

This is NOT about superiority for me. I think my presence within the forums has shown over the months that I am one who loves UNITY... and for the most part... I have tried to show respect for all who enter here.... but my comfort and trust has come with the BELIEF that here within the forums.... we support the DOCTRINE of GRACE..... NOT because it promotes an atmosphere of superiority... but rather because it teaches the TRUTH of our position as God's CHILDREN... so that we might live spirit-filled lives with the assurance that GOD will finish within us... that with which he has begun.

God Bless you all.

 

[Godhelpus]

After Staff Review, a decision has been made.

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Please find a common ground and put the differences aside. In-depth technical analysis of scripture can lead to those differences of interpretation and bickering can result.

My own personal rule is based on the Bible exhortation not to continue repeating ourselves, if we disagree on the same point over and over. Nothing useful comes of it. And as you say, it usually just becomes a clawing-match of two crabs circling one another.

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[Godhelpus]

Maybe you did not realize that This judgment, Judgment of The Nations is also called the judgment of The Sheep and The Goats.

After the tribulation, the Lord Jesus will sit in judgment over the Gentile nations. They will be judged according to their treatment of Israel during the tribulation. Those who showed faith in God by treating Israel favorably (giving them aid and comfort during the tribulation) are the “sheep” who will enter into the Millennial Kingdom. Those who followed the Antichrist’s lead and persecuted Israel are the “goats” who will be consigned to hell.

This is fair enough for me. The judgment of nations can't be the judgment seat of Christ. Those not naming Christ and left alive on earth, will be judged by the Lord at the beginning of His reign. That judgment will be based upon their own natural neighborliness. They don't name Jesus Christ, but they do practice the 'golden rule' when able. I see it as the Lord beginning His reign on earth with His new subjects on the best footing possible.

And yes, that will specifically include helping His people in times of distress, persecution, etc... because of the faith.

Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

1Pe 4:16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

2Ti 3:12Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

 

[Godhelpus]

Actually I do not have a way to separate believers from make believers.....But God did and it was He who said in Matthew 7:21-23........
""Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

These people who are in view are not Muslims, Buddhists, or atheists.

Never said they were. I Never in any way say that the unbelievers, that do not confess faith in Jesus Christ, will be at the Bema judgment.

These are those who would gladly say, “I am a Christian.” They work their works in Jesus’ name. They pray and heal in Jesus’ name. They preach and teach in Jesus’ name. They build huge churches and ministries in Jesus’ name. They claim a relationship with Him. But they are none of His.

Totally agree. There are believers naming His name, and make-believers naming Him. The only question is who makes that judgment, and especially when. We know it's only the Lord that does so.

In fact, He sends them away, not with commendation for their good works in His name (and many good works are done in Jesus’ name by false professors), but by disowning their every deed and word.

And so, once again the only question of the whole topic, is where and when the Lord does send the make-believers away. I say at His judgment seat, when He comes to separate them at His second coming.

Do you have Scripture specifically saying otherwise?

He “never” knew them, nor did they ever truly know Him. They weren’t Christians who lost their salvation.

I see. Once again, as with there being unbelievers at His seat, I never say anything about any believers 'becoming' unbelievers.

I only refer to anyone confessing Jesus Christ as a believer. I.e. when Paul says we must all appear at His seat, I say He is speaking of all of us that name His name. There's nothing in the verse, where any distinction is made between believers vs make-believers.

In fact, the only specifical identification made at the Bema judgment, is all who labor in His name,

2Co 5:9Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ;

They work their works in Jesus’ name. They pray and heal in Jesus’ name. They preach and teach in Jesus’ name. They build huge churches and ministries in Jesus’ name. They claim a relationship with Him. But they are none of His.

And, we see here that you yourself identify the make-believers as also laboring in His name. Therefore, by your own acknowledgment of make-believers also laboring, they too must appear at His judgment seat, to give account of their works.

When Paul says, we all must appear, He specifically means all who labor in His name.

In any case, there are two specific questions to answer: Are the make-believers ever called unbelievers in Scripture? And most importantly, does any Scripture specifically say the make-believers are judged and sent packing anywhere other than at His Bema seat?

And, since some make-believers not only confess faith in Jesus Christ, but also labor in Jesus' name, then only the non-laboring make-believers can be excluded from giving account of their works at the judgment seat of Jesus Christ.

 

[BibleLover]

Never said they were. I Never in any way say that the unbelievers, that do not confess faith in Jesus Christ, will be at the Bema judgment.


Totally agree. There are believers naming His name, and make-believers naming Him. The only question is who makes that judgment, and especially when. We know it's only the Lord that does so.



And so, once again the only question of the whole topic, is where and when the Lord does send the make-believers away. I say at His judgment seat, when He comes to separate them at His second coming.

Do you have Scripture specifically saying otherwise?






I see. Once again, as with there being unbelievers at His seat, I never say anything about any believers 'becoming' unbelievers.

I only refer to anyone confessing Jesus Christ as a believer. I.e. when Paul says we must all appear at His seat, I say He is speaking of all of us that name His name. There's nothing in the verse, where any distinction is made between believers vs make-believers.

In fact, the only specifical identification made at the Bema judgment, is all who labor in His name,

2Co 5:9Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ;



And, we see here that you yourself identify the make-believers as also laboring in His name. Therefore, by your own acknowledgment of make-believers also laboring, they too must appear at His judgment seat, to give account of their works.

When Paul says, we all must appear, He specifically means all who labor in His name.

In any case, there are two specific questions to answer: Are the make-believers ever called unbelievers in Scripture? And most importantly, does any Scripture specifically say the make-believers are judged and sent packing anywhere other than at His Bema seat?

And, since some make-believers not only confess faith in Jesus Christ, but also labor in Jesus' name, then only the non-laboring make-believers can be excluded from giving account of their works at the judgment seat of Jesus Christ.

There are 2 classes of people in the world with regard to the gospel: believers and non-believers. Only believers truly belong to Christ. The so-called "make-believers" are, in fact, non-believers who have attempted to buy "fire insurance" without any genuine intention of surrendering their lives to Christ. That places them in the same camp with pagans and heathens, regardless of what utterances they may make.

 

[Major]

There are 2 classes of people in the world with regard to the gospel: believers and non-believers. Only believers truly belong to Christ. The so-called "make-believers" are, in fact, non-believers who have attempted to buy "fire insurance" without any genuine intention of surrendering their lives to Christ. That places them in the same camp with pagans and heathens, regardless of what utterances they may make.

Exactly!

 

[Godhelpus]

Can you please clarify these two statements? How can the devil not be sowing anything on earth and yet be let loosed to round up the enemies of the LORD?

Because man doesn't have to be tempted by the devil, in order to sin against God. We can have our own lust tempt us against God, the same way Lucifer tempted Himself to first rebel.

Isa 14:12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God:

Jas 1:13Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
I.e. we can't blame the devil, and especially not God, but only ourselves for our own lust and sinful disobedience.

The millennium will prove once for all, that man created in God's image has power to love or rebel against the Lord, under the best conditions for doing good, where the only leadership is Jesus Christ the righteous Himself, and His resurrected saints.

Many still haven't learned that lesson from Adam and Eve, who transgressed the commandment in the garden of God, where the LORD Himself walked in the cool of the day...

The devil will not be sowing anything on earth during the Millennium, because he will be shut up in the bottomless pit. Therefore, the those tares must be at this time, and severed at the Lord's return, when the angels will gather the wheat to meet with the Lord in the air, and the tares will be gathered and burned with fire in hell.


And when His reign expires, the devil will be loosed with liberty to round up the enemies of the Lord for one last battle on this earth. It will take however long to gather against the Lord, but in in day it will be quickly destroyed by fire of the Lord from heaven. A much larger repeat of Sodom and Gomorrah.

I understand that the devil is chained up during the millenium and that he will be loosed, but you seem to be saying that the devil has nothing to do with these enemies of the LORD becoming the enemies of the LORD. Perhaps I am just misunderstanding you, which is why I ask for the clarification.

No, you understand well enough, and hopefully I've answered your legitimate question about why some people continue to disobey God, even when the devil has nothing to do with it.

However, I did not say he will have no influence in rounding up the rebellious for one final war with God. And that will only include those, as you say, who had already become His enemies by their own lust.

They will remain alive and not executed by the King's law, because they outwardly obeyed in works, though rebelling against Him in the heart.

Mat 23:25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess...Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

 

[Godhelpus]

There are 2 classes of people in the world with regard to the gospel: believers and non-believers.

True. There are believers confessing faith in Christ, and non believers not at all.

Only believers truly belong to Christ. The so-called "make-believers" are, in fact, non-believers

The problem with this is, not so much that there are good and bad believers, but then going on to call the bad ones, non-believers and not Christians at all. You say some people confessing faith in Christ are in fact, non-believers. But does the Bible say so? What Scripture calls the bad believers, non believers? Where does the Lord and His apostles say some people confessing faith in Him, are not Christians at all? Otherwise, you are only offering a personal opinion about such things. Which is not something that can be rightly applied to His judgment seat.

I'm not saying the Lord doesn't send away some people calling Him Lord, but where does He ever call them 'non-believers' and not Christians? I don't see any record of that in Scripture. However, there is Scripture calling all of us Christians:

1Pe 4:15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters. Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

We see here, that even if any Christian is doing evil like the non-believers, he/she is still called a Christian. It is not Scriptural to say that someone confessing Christ and doing evil, is not a Christian. And only those doing good as we ought, can be called a Christian.

Therefore, since the Lord calls anyone naming His name a Christian, then the only difference between believer and non-believer on earth, is whether someone confesses Him Lord or not.

who have attempted to buy "fire insurance" without any genuine intention of surrendering their lives to Christ. That places them in the same camp with pagans and heathens, regardless of what utterances they may make.

Some believers naming Christ can unfortunately be found in the same filthy camp of pagans and heathens, doing the same filthy works, but still the Lord does not call them pagans, heathens, and non-believers.

Jesus may bid us treat some of us as heathens and non-believers at some time of evil doing, but He never tells us to call any of us heathens and non-believers.

Mat 18:17And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

And even with such an extreme case of ostracism, Paul in fact tells us to still count any of us brethren in Christ, and not non-believers.

2Th 3:14 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed. Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.

 

[Matiro]

Hi Godhelpus,

The `Wheat and Tares` judgment is for Israel and the Nations. Jesus was speaking to the people of Israel and confirming the promises of God to them. (Rom. 15: 8)

As for us in the Body of Christ we are not at the Great White Throne judgment, (Jesus took our judgment) however, we will appear at Christ`s Bema seat of judgment for rewards. Our works will be judged as to what was done by the anointing of the Holy Spirit and not for self aggrandizement. This results in rewards or losses, but not of our salvation.

You are speaking of two different judgments - one for rewards ( 1 Cor. 3: 11 - 15) and one for salvation or punishment. (Rev. 20: 11 - 14)

Are you sure?
And what about when Lord Jesus said:
"And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me."

Was that for Israel and nations only? I doubt it.
And He talked about works.

 

[cocoa]

We see here, that even if any Christian is doing evil like the non-believers, he/she is still called a Christian. It is not Scriptural to say that someone confessing Christ and doing evil, is not a Christian. And only those doing good as we ought, can be called a Christian.

Therefore, since the Lord calls anyone naming His name a Christian, then the only difference between believer and non-believer on earth, is whether someone confesses Him Lord or not.

The Bible says we will know a true believer by their fruit. If someone is continually committing evil , living a life of sin, are they a Christian, if there is no evidence of transformation?