UFO's----Are They Real?

[Major]

And finally after a nice warm glass of full cream milk I feel much stimulated to write again Major I be much curious about something very perplexing to me . You say the dinosaur ones be dead long time due to death 66 million yrs ago . But the bible say death was a curse pronounced solely upon Adam & Eve Ephesians 5:12 say ( Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin: And so death passed upon all men for that all sinned. ) and the Romans 8: 22 does also state that the entire creation be under the curse of a fallen world and does groaneth very much in pain for the appointed time of renewal. Major I’m some very much confused Are we to conclude that death is merely a normality from past civilianisation and not unique to Adam & Eve ?. I still not fully understanding to what you mean

Dear Prim. It is NOT Ephesians 5;12. It is Romans 5:12. Thank so much for asking me.

In this Scripture, Paul states that sin came into the world through one man. This one man is Adam, the first man created from dust by God Himself (Genesis 1:27). God breathed life into Adam and placed him in the garden of Eden with only one restriction: Don't eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (Genesis 2:15–17). Adam, along with his wife, Eve did exactly what they were told not to, and sin entered the world.

The root of your question rests in the world "world,"---in this context, it is specifically a reference to humanity.
The Bible only focuses on mans relationship to God and animals are never in question whether it be life or death.
What's clear from Paul's argument here is that death followed MANS sin, as God said it would.

Romans 8:22 again we see that CONTEXTUALLY it refers to HUMANITY.

 

[Major]

Major I’m curious about the extinction of the dinosaurs of some 66 millions I forget the period it is claimed that they roamed the earth. A some 200 million time line upon the evolutionary tree from memory. Perhaps you did not read my post 114 properly when I wrote about body tissue discovered on some of the dinosaurs I think all the way back in 2005 the bomb shell even caused a specialist in that field to he demised from his job.. And the scientific world is still unming and arrring about this to very day. That being according to the laws of chemistry and physics and with their very lenient dating method of a few hundred thousand years to a maximum million years that all soft tissue should be completely hydrolysed and completely degraded. It becomes massively problematic to geological time scale if scientists are claiming the time period of extinction of 66 million years ago when all dinosaur tissue blood should have ceased to exist within the 300 thousand to a million years mark of their very lenient time scale. That was whatI trying to explain. Something to think about anyway. TO BE CONTINUED View attachment 8607View attachment 8608View attachment 8609View attachment 8610

There is NO point to be made there in your post.

 

[Major]

You than go on to say that no human fossils have never been found with dinosaur fossils so you inform us that the Dinosaurs must have perished in another time period of since 66 million yrs ago There be some debate over wether human fossils have been discovered with dinosaurs but i won’t make it a. Issue here. Major I don’t know why.human fossils are not not found amongst dinosaur fossils. Fossils be very rare more so with dinosaurs they make up a few percent of the fossil record and that’s without taking all the fake ones out. Fossil hunting only began in Ernest in the mid 19th century and considering that much is still to be explored on land and considering that 71 percent of the world is covered now by vast oceans and lakes it is only assumption to claim such a theory. It be like saying because there has been no pre flood fossilised human remains discovered after the flood that humanity could not have existed before the flood. TO BE CONTINUED View attachment 8605View attachment 8606

You said............
" Major I don’t know why.human fossils are not not found amongst dinosaur fossils."
Easy one to answer..........There were NO humans alive when the Dinasaur's lived. IF there were, then there would have been human bones right along side of the dinosaur bones because the dino's would have eaten them them.

 

[Major]

Major there certainly be a record of dinosaurs entering the ark. They would come under the classification of Genesis 6:19-20( and of every living thing of all FLESH two of every sort ). ( of fowls of cattle of every CREEPING thing of the EARTH after his kind. You right about the eggs the dinosaurs came as babies. Are all the fowls the beasts and the creeping things of the earth individually named for our convenience. To Adam they were But not to us. So why just toss out the dinosaur. And considering that the word ( dinosaur) wasn’t brought into the English language until 1841 by Sir Richard Owen. Meaning ( terrible lizard ) means they were known by other names such as Behemoth in Job 40:15-24 and Leviathan in Job 41. And also the dragon be that of physical or spiritual reality. which is attested to throughout the world. They have records and descriptions of such discoveries in ancient China they were known as dragon teeth. Just because something has become extinct and fossilised doesn’t make it 70-200 million yrs old. It be like the Coelacanth fish resurfacing from extinction in 1938 from it’s supposed 70 million year fossilised grave with not one bit of evolutionary change . It be like the pine tree discovered in the blue mountains of NSW a few hundred Kilometres from Sydney in 1994-95 . We call it the Woolemi pine. Once classified as extinct with it’s fossilisation numbered at the 100 million year mark. Now thriving in Australia as a green finger collection. And not one evolutionary change in all that time. TO BE CONTINUED View attachment 8604View attachment 8601View attachment 8602View attachment 8603

You said.............
"Major there certainly be a record of dinosaurs entering the ark."
Then instead of posting your opinion.......PROVE IT with the sources attached!
Again, as I have stated 100's of times, I do not deal in "Conspiracies-thoughts-and opinions" here on the forum. I only teach as best I can the Word of God to those who are interested in learning.

That being said, please understand that Nowhere in the Bible do we see dinosaurs battling mankind for dominion. There is NO BIBLICAL record of DINOSAURS!

Genesis 7:3; 14............
“You shall take with you seven each of every clean animal, a male and his female; two each of animals that are unclean, a male and his female; also seven each of birds of the air, male and female, to keep the species alive on the face of all the earth’....On the very same day...they entered the ark--they and every beast after its kind, all cattle after their kind, every creeping thing that creeps on the earth after its kind, and every bird after its kind, every bird of every sort”.

There is no description of the great dinosaurs that should have come along if they had existed then. Instead, the animals described in Genesis 7 are exactly like the ones that live today.

The Bible records a time period before the earth became “without form or void” that is mentioned in the first chapter of Genesis.

Genesis 1:1 says..........
“In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.”

Notice this includes our entire universe—and our earth. But then in verse 2 it says the earth was (or became) “without form or void.” The New International Version has a footnote on this verse explaining that the verb “was” can be translated as “became.” Several Bible commentaries including Nelson’s New Illustrated Bible Commentary, The Jameison, Faucett and Brown Commentary and Barnes Commentary confirm this translation.

So something transformed the earth into a chaotic and empty place—and God is not the author of confusion but of peace and order (1 Corinthians 14:33, 40). It has been thought, and I as well believe that dinosaurs could well have existed and become extinct during this indefinite period of time before man was created—an age known as the pre-Adamic world.

When we read about Adam and Ever being created, the plants and animals mentioned are also characteristic of our modern world.
There are flowering plants and tame animals such as cattle, beasts and birds in Eden (Genesis 2:9, 19-20), not the giant dinosaurs and huge gymnosperms [ferns and other spore bearing plants] of the Age of Reptiles that are found in the geologic record.

 

[Dave F.]

If death did not exist in the world until after Adam sinned, how did he know what it meant to die? God told him he would die in the day that he ate of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Adam told Eve that God said they would die if they ate it and the devil said they would not die. At no point does say they did not know what it was to die...so...How did they know?

 

[rtm3039]

This is an interesting article on the subject: https://apologeticspress.org/have-dinosaur-and-human-fossils-been-found-together-4664/

 

[Major]

If death did not exist in the world until after Adam sinned, how did he know what it meant to die? God told him he would die in the day that he ate of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Adam told Eve that God said they would die if they ate it and the devil said they would not die. At no point does say they did not know what it was to die...so...How did they know?

Good question and thanks for asking!

A careful reading of the context of the Scripture in Romans 5 tells us that it is talking about spiritual death. Romans 5:18-19 implies that the consequences were spiritual, not physical. We know for many reasons that death existed before the sin of Adam. WE know that there were bacteria dying before Adam sinned. Surely there were predators killing prey, fish eating other fish and so forth before the sin of Adam and Eve.

So, IMHO, t is an incorrect interpretation of the Bible to say that physical death was initiated with the sin of Adam.

 

[Major]

This is an interesting article on the subject: https://apologeticspress.org/have-dinosaur-and-human-fossils-been-found-together-4664/

Here in another one............https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/did-humans-and-dinosaurs-ever-live-together

 

[Prim90]

?

 

[Prim90]

There is NO point to be made there in your post.

Major the question of my post 119 & post 114 be rather straight forward. Again for the 3rd time. The scientific world claims according to their laws of chemistry and physics that all soft tissue should have completely hydrolysed and completely degraded within the 300 thousand year and one million year mark at the max. It hasn’t the dinosaur tissue is still there. That means the extinction of Dinosaurs that roamed the earth some 66 million years according our longtime people is just not True. Your now down to 300 thousand to a million years of dinosaurs roaming the earth which throws the whole evolutionary time scale out of sequence. That’s quite a drop from 66 million years all the way down to the million year don’t you think. No point to be made you claim. The point has always been clear for those who genuinely take the time look.

 

[ModeratorTeam]

Staff Caution: This thread has gone on and on for seven pages of back and forth disagreements and bickering. If this behavior continues, this thread will be halted and Warnings issued.

"Play nice, or pay the price."


`

 

[Prim90]

You said.............
"Major there certainly be a record of dinosaurs entering the ark."
Then instead of posting your opinion.......PROVE IT with the sources attached!
Again, as I have stated 100's of times, I do not deal in "Conspiracies-thoughts-and opinions" here on the forum. I only teach as best I can the Word of God to those who are interested in learning.

That being said, please understand that Nowhere in the Bible do we see dinosaurs battling mankind for dominion. There is NO BIBLICAL record of DINOSAURS!

Genesis 7:3; 14............
“You shall take with you seven each of every clean animal, a male and his female; two each of animals that are unclean, a male and his female; also seven each of birds of the air, male and female, to keep the species alive on the face of all the earth’....On the very same day...they entered the ark--they and every beast after its kind, all cattle after their kind, every creeping thing that creeps on the earth after its kind, and every bird after its kind, every bird of every sort”.

There is no description of the great dinosaurs that should have come along if they had existed then. Instead, the animals described in Genesis 7 are exactly like the ones that live today.

The Bible records a time period before the earth became “without form or void” that is mentioned in the first chapter of Genesis.

Genesis 1:1 says..........
“In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.”

Notice this includes our entire universe—and our earth. But then in verse 2 it says the earth was (or became) “without form or void.” The New International Version has a footnote on this verse explaining that the verb “was” can be translated as “became.” Several Bible commentaries including Nelson’s New Illustrated Bible Commentary, The Jameison, Faucett and Brown Commentary and Barnes Commentary confirm this translation.

So something transformed the earth into a chaotic and empty place—and God is not the author of confusion but of peace and order (1 Corinthians 14:33, 40). It has been thought, and I as well believe that dinosaurs could well have existed and become extinct during this indefinite period of time before man was created—an age known as the pre-Adamic world.

When we read about Adam and Ever being created, the plants and animals mentioned are also characteristic of our modern world.
There are flowering plants and tame animals such as cattle, beasts and birds in Eden (Genesis 2:9, 19-20), not the giant dinosaurs and huge gymnosperms [ferns and other spore bearing plants] of the Age of Reptiles that are found in the geologic record.

Prove it. Major I already have. The document be the bible. Under the classification of Genesis 6:19-20 along with Genesis 7:3,14 which simply adds extra numbers for clean animals instead of just the two for the unclean . Apart from that Genesis says what it says ( and every beast all cattle and every creeping thing boarded the Ark) you seem to have this infatuation that the evolutionary time scale for 66 million yrs ago for the dinosaurs extinction can’t be wrong. Yet we have a wealth of knowledge that dinosaurs or dragons if you like lived among us from every culture around the world. We even have their bones just minus the evolutionary lie of 66 million yrs which you continue to expound. You often point out the size of some of the dinosaurs and their ferociousness the lion and tiger also I guess. No doubt fully grown dinosaurs weren’t chosen there also be the matter of hibernation as with the bears for the more unruly ones like the mammoth hypotonia and dare I say Puff the magic dragon too : ) TO BE CONTINUED

 

[Major]

Prove it. Major I already have. The document be the bible. Under the classification of Genesis 6:19-20 along with Genesis 7:3,14 which simply adds extra numbers for clean animals instead of just the two for the unclean . Apart from that Genesis says what it says ( and every beast all cattle and every creeping thing boarded the Ark) you seem to have this infatuation that the evolutionary time scale for 66 million yrs ago for the dinosaurs extinction can’t be wrong. Yet we have a wealth of knowledge that dinosaurs or dragons if you like lived among us from every culture around the world. We even have their bones just minus the evolutionary lie of 66 million yrs which you continue to expound. You often point out the size of some of the dinosaurs and their ferociousness the lion and tiger also I guess. No doubt fully grown dinosaurs weren’t chosen there also be the matter of hibernation as with the bears for the more unruly ones like the mammoth hypotonia and dare I say Puff the magic dragon too : ) TO BE CONTINUED

You said............
" Yet we have a wealth of knowledge that dinosaurs or dragons if you like lived among us from every culture around the world. "

You said........
"Under the classification of Genesis 6:19-20 along with Genesis 7:3,14 which simply adds extra numbers for clean animals instead of just the two for the unclean ."

NOPE! All you have presented is your opinion! The Bible DOES NOT say Noah included dinosaurs on the ark!

 

[Major]

Major the question of my post 119 & post 114 be rather straight forward. Again for the 3rd time. The scientific world claims according to their laws of chemistry and physics that all soft tissue should have completely hydrolysed and completely degraded within the 300 thousand year and one million year mark at the max. It hasn’t the dinosaur tissue is still there. That means the extinction of Dinosaurs that roamed the earth some 66 million years according our longtime people is just not True. Your now down to 300 thousand to a million years of dinosaurs roaming the earth which throws the whole evolutionary time scale out of sequence. That’s quite a drop from 66 million years all the way down to the million year don’t you think. No point to be made you claim. The point has always been clear for those who genuinely take the time look.

Sister.......I am withdrawing from this conversation with you. It is obvious that you are a "conspiracy theorist" and this is going nowhere.

You are convinced in what you believe no matter what is said or Biblically shown to you. Therefore, I really am not able to help you.

God bless you and stay safe!.

 

[Prim90]

Sister.......I am withdrawing from this conversation with you. It is obvious that you are a "conspiracy theorist" and this is going nowhere.

You are convinced in what you believe no matter what is said or Biblically shown to you. Therefore, I really am not able to help you.

God bless you and stay safe!

Major we must comply with the moderators wishes. I do wish you and family nice day. The dinosaurs and Primmy say goodnight

 

[john14six]

Perhaps those aliens, UFO's, are really demons, and the devil will use the reported sightings, etc. to explain to the world after the Rapture of the Church that all of those who disappeared were abducted by aliens.

 

[Major]

Perhaps those aliens, UFO's, are really demons, and the devil will use the reported sightings, etc. to explain to the world after the Rapture of the Church that all of those who disappeared were abducted by aliens.

And that is IMHO makes perfect sense.

I did a teaching study on the Revelation on this forum and that is one of the answers I posted as to how the Antichrist would explain all the missing people from the Rapture.

Please take the time to glance at that thread.

 

[VictorianLady]

Satan is a UFO! That is what YOU said!

Occultism is the doorway to the spirit dimension. The purpose of occult practices is to open this doorway and gain contact with spirits.

It is no surprise that many of the leading Ufologists have confirmed that alien abductions clearly resemble accounts of demons throughout history.

I mean satan is behind it. LOL

 

[VictorianLady]

You said............"
"They said that they do believe in God, but they do not obey Him".

That is impossible!!!! It is a lie!

Why is that impossible? The devil knows God is real which is why they believe in Him. They just don't obey Him because they rebelled and got kicked out of heaven. There are even people who believe God exists, but they still live the way they want to without following the Bible.

 

[Major]

I mean satan is behind it. LOL

OK! That is much better!