UFO's----Are They Real?

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Musicmaster said:
I'm not tracking your train of thought on it being a matter of God going back on His word to remove from the demonic hoards His power that He has given to them. Where did He ever promise them that they would retain His power that He gave to them? This is fascinating.

There is a pit mentioned in scripture where the "locust" demons, those who will one day torment mankind on this earth, are powerless to influence mankind due to them being locked away in the "pit" (Tartarus).

Granted, the demons who are still roaming about the earth have the power given to them as they continue to move mankind in the direction God want's things to go toward the very end of all things, but His Millennial Reign will show well enough that, even without the influences of Satan in this world after he is locked away for that thousand years, mankind is bereft, in and of himself, of moral uprightness apart from Christ.

MM
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What I mean is that God created everything including the angels by His word. He spoke things into existence the same way He spoke this world into existence. When He spoke the angels into existence, they recieved their powers through His word when He spoke them and what they are made of and what they can do, into existence. So to take the devil's power from them would be to change what He made them to be when He spoke them into existence. So He would be withdrawing His word if He took away their power. Everything exists through His word. (He spoke everything into existence). He would be changing His word or changing His mind about what they can do. That would make His word lose some of it's integrity and His word is what's holding this universe together.
Locking the demons away does not change their nature or essence.

Psalms 33:6​

By the word of the Lord the heavens were made, and by the breath of his mouth all their host.
 
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Major said:
You said..........
"The Bible says he changes not, He's the same yesterday, today and forever."

That has to do with His CHARACTER and has nothing to do with the subject being discussed!

You then said...........
"So to withdraw what He had given would be like changing His mind, or going back on His word because He spoke everything in existence. "

When did God ever give demons the ability to create life?????? What Universe, What Book of the Bible???
How can He withdraw something He never gave?????
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His word is how He created everything including the angels. He spoke everything into existence. He created everything by His word. To change how He created them would be to change what He spoke when He spoke them into existence.

Psalms 33:6​

By the word of the Lord the heavens were made, and by the breath of his mouth all their host.
 
VictorianLady said:
What I mean is that God created everything including the angels by His word. He spoke things into existence the same way He spoke this world into existence. When He spoke the angels into existence, they recieved their powers through His word when He spoke them and what they are made of and what they can do, into existence. So to take the devil's power from them would be to change what He made them to be when He spoke them into existence. So He would be withdrawing His word if He took away their power. Everything exists through His word. (He spoke everything into existence). He would be changing His word or changing His mind about what they can do. That would make His word lose some of it's integrity and His word is what's holding this universe together.
Locking the demons away does not change their nature or essence.

Psalms 33:6​

By the word of the Lord the heavens were made, and by the breath of his mouth all their host.
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Question: How can anyone know that the angels received their power at the point of their creation? Does the word of God reveal that? If so, where?

MM
 
VictorianLady said:
His word is how He created everything including the angels. He spoke everything into existence. He created everything by His word. To change how He created them would be to change what He spoke when He spoke them into existence.

Psalms 33:6​

By the word of the Lord the heavens were made, and by the breath of his mouth all their host.
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Agreed. That is exactly what the Bible actually says. I do not know what the point is you are trying to make.
No one is trying to "Change" anything.
 
Major said:
Agreed. That is exactly what the Bible actually says. I do not know what the point is you are trying to make.
No one is trying to "Change" anything.
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I said it because Musicmaster was saying he didn't know why God didn't just take away the devil's power.
 
VictorianLady said:
I said it because Musicmaster was saying he didn't know why God didn't just take away the devil's power.
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I don't believe that is what I said. What I stated is that the Lord can take away the power that any angel (be they good or evil) possesses. I don't ask "why" He doesn't because I know He's Sovereign.

MM
 
Damascus said:
Computers, electricity, television, cars, trucks, AI. The list is long.
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Your evasion of my question seems to indicate you have no reasoning as to why you believe in the existence of extraterrestrial aliens from another planet. If that's what I am to understand from your skirting my question, then I will leave it at that.

If that's not the case, then I await your answer...if you're willing to give it.

MM
 
Damascus said:
Oh, come now, everyone knows cats are a myth. 😺🐾
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Interplanetary and intergalactic aliens are certainly a myth.

I remember that whacked out guy years ago, Carl Sagan was his name, claiming that mankind is an insignificant life form, calling the speck of the earth we populate, sailing through the galaxy and universe along the timeline of meaninglessness, and it all going nowhere meaningful.

Well, he knows better now, doesn't he?

Many an atheist and gnostic enjoys claiming that it's the height of pride for any human to claim that the earth is the only life form in the universe, and thinking that there could possibly be a God who would go to all the trouble to create a universe with just us populating it.

That is evidence for ignorance about God, mainly because they don't know His written word.

MM
 
VictorianLady said:
I said it because Musicmaster was saying he didn't know why God didn't just take away the devil's power.
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Nobody has yet explained how it is a violation of God's word for Him to remove from the fallen angels His power that He gave to them.

In Hell, they will indeed be powerless.

MM
 
Musicmaster said:
Interplanetary and intergalactic aliens are certainly a myth.

I remember that whacked out guy years ago, Carl Sagan was his name, claiming that mankind is an insignificant life form, calling the speck of the earth we populate, sailing through the galaxy and universe along the timeline of meaninglessness, and it all going nowhere meaningful.

Well, he knows better now, doesn't he?

Many an atheist and gnostic enjoys claiming that it's the height of pride for any human to claim that the earth is the only life form in the universe, and thinking that there could possibly be a God who would go to all the trouble to create a universe with just us populating it.

That is evidence for ignorance about God, mainly because they don't know His written word.

MM
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And this comment from you is the bottom line we debate over.............
"That is evidence for ignorance about God, mainly because they don't know His written word."
 
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