Thanks Cooper, it’s interesting to read your opinion. I’d really like to hear as many understandings as possible, since that can only give me better understanding of the book of Revelations, because I firmly believe that we live in the end days. The only way I understood some symbology in the Revelations is by reading other Christians understandings. Without others there are things that I don’t think I would have understood.
What’s the meaning of receiving mark of the beast and of not being able to buy or sell?
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The beast is mammon and mammon is money. People worship money, it is like a god to them. The rich young ruler comes to mind.
The beast is mammon and mammon is money. People worship money, it is like a god to them. The rich young ruler comes to mind.
Cooper.....may I say to you with all due respect, that the "beast" is NOT money, and by the way, Welcome back to the site.
You said...........
"The beast is mammon and mammon is money"
Now, the Bible says to us that the beast is actually a "Person". There are actually Two beasts in the Revelation.........
1.
Rev. 13:1..........
"And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon HIS horns ten crowns, and upon HIS heads the name of blasphemy."
The original Greek for the word "HIS" is literally........." Plural- MAN/MALE".
So we now know that the Beast is a real living human MAN and is actually not mammon/money.
2,
Rev. 13:11..........
"And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and HE had two horns like a lamb, and HE spake as a dragon.
The same Greek grammatics apply to verse 13 as in verse 1 which means this is a real human MAN.
This beast in verse 11 is know as the "False Prophet".
The application of the "Mark of the Beast" will be driven by the False Prophet and the result of the mark's refusal by born again believers is that they can not but food to eat or water to drink.
Therefore the "Mammon/ Money" is not the Anti Christ but is in fact the result of ones rejection of the A/C which means death.
I should have looked up the notes in the Believers Bible.
"Revelation 13:1 Chapter 13 introduces us to two great beasts: one beast rising up out of the sea, and one out of the earth or land, that is, the land of Israel. There is no doubt that these beasts symbolize men who will play prominent roles during the Tribulation Period. They combine the features of the four beasts of Dan_7:3-7. The first beast is the head of the revived Roman Empire, which will exist in a ten-kingdom form. He rises out of the sea, a type of the Gentile nations. He has ten horns. Daniel predicted that the Roman Empire would be revived in a ten-kingdom form (Dan_7:24). He has seven heads. In Rev_17:9-10 these are said to be seven kings, a possible reference to seven different types of rulers or seven different stages of the empire. He has ten diadems on his horns. These speak of the power to rule, which was given to him by the dragon, Satan. He has a blasphemous name on his heads, and he makes claims for himself as if he were God and not a mere man."
Would you like the rest? I find it very interesting, but this is a controversial subject.
In my own defense I quote from Wiki:
Mammon. "In the Middle Ages it was often personified and sometimes included in the seven princes of Hell. Mammon in Hebrew means "money". The word was adopted to modern Hebrew to mean wealth."
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I should have looked up the notes in the Believers Bible.
"Revelation 13:1 Chapter 13 introduces us to two great beasts: one beast rising up out of the sea, and one out of the earth or land, that is, the land of Israel. There is no doubt that these beasts symbolize men who will play prominent roles during the Tribulation Period. They combine the features of the four beasts of Dan_7:3-7. The first beast is the head of the revived Roman Empire, which will exist in a ten-kingdom form. He rises out of the sea, a type of the Gentile nations. He has ten horns. Daniel predicted that the Roman Empire would be revived in a ten-kingdom form (Dan_7:24). He has seven heads. In Rev_17:9-10 these are said to be seven kings, a possible reference to seven different types of rulers or seven different stages of the empire. He has ten diadems on his horns. These speak of the power to rule, which was given to him by the dragon, Satan. He has a blasphemous name on his heads, and he makes claims for himself as if he were God and not a mere man."
Would you like the rest? I find it very interesting, but this is a controversial subject.
In my own defense I quote from Wiki:
Mammon. "In the Middle Ages it was often personified and sometimes included in the seven princes of Hell. Mammon in Hebrew means "money". The word was adopted to modern Hebrew to mean wealth."
No need to post anymore Cooper as I am very familiar with this subject.
The Believers Bible which you quoted says exactly what I posted.
The 1st beast is the A/C who will be a human man.
The 2nd beast is the F/P and he is a human man as well.
No need to be defensive brother as I agree completely with you that Mammon means Money however it is not the A/C, which is what I was pointing out.
Blessings to you!
Hi peeps
I'm returning to this thread because of whats kinda been happening with regard to buying and selling these days.
And of course, in many countries there is a move to digital currency, especially online, or credit and fiat money, which people are already using.
Though money has always had a 'mark of the beast' of some sort on it.
If you have a smartphone, apparently the latest is you can use that as your wallet. Though people all have numbers on their cards. But they also have those credit card things. Some have this thing called 'paywave' where you just wave the card and somehow, it takes your money electronically. You don't even see it.
This can be good or bad depending on how you use it!
So you either have a special number, or a name, or both but the thing with the mark is that it is an image something. It might say visa or something.
What that might mean is that this mark might be put on your right hand or your forehead (I'm thinking it might be a tattoo) and that means you are allowed to buy and sell.
I don't think it's too much to worry about as Christians are pretty good at sharing and giving and receiving, rather than buying and selling. Ok people might get angry when they can't buy what you have, or that you don't want to sell anything. But some things are NOT for sale and some things you just can't buy.
I think people must accept that, and that God provides and gives everything to us for free. He does not charge us.
There is a scripture that says 'those that die in the Lord will live and their bodies rise again,' so if someone tries to FORCE you to buy or sell something, and you don't want to because you don't have the mark of beast and refuse to worship it, then, it doesn't matter what they may do to us.
That is what I believe anyway.
I'm returning to this thread because of whats kinda been happening with regard to buying and selling these days.
And of course, in many countries there is a move to digital currency, especially online, or credit and fiat money, which people are already using.
Though money has always had a 'mark of the beast' of some sort on it.
If you have a smartphone, apparently the latest is you can use that as your wallet. Though people all have numbers on their cards. But they also have those credit card things. Some have this thing called 'paywave' where you just wave the card and somehow, it takes your money electronically. You don't even see it.
This can be good or bad depending on how you use it!
So you either have a special number, or a name, or both but the thing with the mark is that it is an image something. It might say visa or something.
What that might mean is that this mark might be put on your right hand or your forehead (I'm thinking it might be a tattoo) and that means you are allowed to buy and sell.
I don't think it's too much to worry about as Christians are pretty good at sharing and giving and receiving, rather than buying and selling. Ok people might get angry when they can't buy what you have, or that you don't want to sell anything. But some things are NOT for sale and some things you just can't buy.
I think people must accept that, and that God provides and gives everything to us for free. He does not charge us.
There is a scripture that says 'those that die in the Lord will live and their bodies rise again,' so if someone tries to FORCE you to buy or sell something, and you don't want to because you don't have the mark of beast and refuse to worship it, then, it doesn't matter what they may do to us.
That is what I believe anyway.
Hi Peki,
I have just found this great thread of yours. Interesting thoughts there. I think you have addressed the heart motive behind someone receiving the `mark,` which is very important. It reveals that you just can`t take it without choosing to `work` for the devil, as you say.
Now I believe that God`s word tells us that the Mark is made up of 3 components - the mark, the name of the `beast` or the number of His name.` (Rev. 13: 17)
Mark - The implanted chip that carries all your specific information - medical, social, economic etc
Name - The authority of the Leader of the Global Government. (Just as we have authorization for our licence, working with children etc)
Number - A person`s individual number in the Global System.
How this Global Government will have the power to enable or stop someone `buying or selling,` is through the CBDC, (Central Bank`s Digital Currency). All Central Banks are looking into how to have their own digital currency. A few have already trialed it. When that is operational and becomes the only currency on offer, it will be able to control the `buying and selling.`
How? Well CBDC`s are PROGRAMMABLE. That means they have every digital token accounted for. Thus they can make some tokens only last a month, or limit what you get, or stop you withdrawing if you have a bad social credit, etc etc.
And then of course every Central Bank is connected to the IMF, (International Monetary Fund) who has it all written on their web site, that they will be the World`s Bank. So an unelected group of people will have economic control over every country`s Central bank and their operations.
Just needs the man in control of this - the economic and religious (false)office. (Rev. 13: 11 - 18)
While it may be a chip it needs to be visible so people see it, so it will have an image of some sort.
People already have chips in their cards and on their phones (SIM cards). But they don't have it on them all the time. You can memorize your number (people already have passwords and PINS) but the difference with a mark is that it will be totally obvious to anyone that you are allowed to buy or sell.
So like cattle are tagged and banded, or how people wear wedding rings if they are married, a mark is put on people.
People already have chips in their cards and on their phones (SIM cards). But they don't have it on them all the time. You can memorize your number (people already have passwords and PINS) but the difference with a mark is that it will be totally obvious to anyone that you are allowed to buy or sell.
So like cattle are tagged and banded, or how people wear wedding rings if they are married, a mark is put on people.
A lot of 'brands' already have this they call it a 'trademark'.
If they don't have this authorized symbol, it can't be sold. For example, Mcdonalds has the golden arches. If someone at McDonalds tries to sell anything that doesn't have the McDonalds symbol on it, they will get in big trouble.
If they don't have this authorized symbol, it can't be sold. For example, Mcdonalds has the golden arches. If someone at McDonalds tries to sell anything that doesn't have the McDonalds symbol on it, they will get in big trouble.
to some degree its here but not fully implemented .. not so sure we actually can pin point it..if you have material to share based on scripture i would like to read it.
It should be remembered, whatever the mark/name/number may be, it is also associated with worship...
And another, a third angel, followed them and spoke with a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he will also drink the wine of God’s wrath, which is poured full strength into the cup of his anger. He will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the sight of the holy angels and in the sight of the Lamb, (Rev 14:9-10)
It was permitted to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast could both speak and cause whoever would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. And it makes everyone—small and great, rich and poor, free and slave—to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead,
(Rev 13:15-16)
And another, a third angel, followed them and spoke with a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he will also drink the wine of God’s wrath, which is poured full strength into the cup of his anger. He will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the sight of the holy angels and in the sight of the Lamb, (Rev 14:9-10)
It was permitted to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast could both speak and cause whoever would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. And it makes everyone—small and great, rich and poor, free and slave—to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead,
(Rev 13:15-16)
Crossnote on post #31 has given the correct Scripture.
The ole Major does not know but is leaning very highly to the UPC Bar Code. The Mark of the Beast according to the Scriptures and the CONTEXT of Revelation will be to track people and allow those here on the earth to "buy and sell" merchandise. That is exactly what the UPC code does.
The barcode IMHO has paved the road for 666: the Mark of the Beast. The barcode did something very important to help bring in 666: The mark of the Beast. . . The barcode opened the door (in fact, it not only opened it, it kicked the door down) to the "digital world". Everything is now a number. Everything gets a barcode. As someone truly said, "If it exists, bar code it".
The UPC bar code was originally invented by the grocery and retail industry so as to TRACK sales and eliminate THEFT from employees and control inventory.
So then......when the A/C comes to power, anyone without a UPC code on their hand or forhead can not purchase food to survive.
But that is just me.
no argument on that. i will say ti is a leading up to .however we live the age of electronics/ computers . your social security is by electronics .we all have debit cards credit cards /credit scores . we are heading towards a cashless society this is when it comes to end times i am careful as to what i say . other than Christ is returning .pre trib mid trib trib rapture .
I would also think that even before the actual worship and application of the name/mark come the miraculous signs and wonders by the false prophet to draw away all but the sheep...
The coming of the lawless one is based on Satan’s working, with all kinds of false miracles, signs, and wonders, and with every wicked deception among those who are perishing. They perish because they did not accept the love of the truth and so be saved. (2Th 2:9-10)
It exercises all the authority of the first beast on its behalf and compels the earth and those who live on it to worship the first beast, whose fatal wound was healed. It also performs great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to earth in front of people. It deceives those who live on the earth because of the signs that it is permitted to perform in the presence of the beast, telling those who live on the earth to make an image of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. (Rev 13:12-14)
Hopefully, we are gone by then, but if not, I'd be very leery of any 'miracle workers'.
Which one of the thousands of "popular" ones would you like??? the latest one is your "Vaccination certificate". I 'spect that when there IS a "Mark of the beast", we'll probably recognize it for sure. In the meantime, your take on it is as good as any. I remember when it was your "Social security number" which, of course ignored the fact that there are other countries besides the U.S.
Agreed. And if we all were truthful we would have to agree that there is already in place right now the Signs and Wonders church application.
I think those are Tinkertoys in comparison to the signs and wonders coming by the False prophet, at least not many aren falling away due to the parlor tricks of the shysters.
I totally agree brother. However, what we see today by that gust opens the door to what is on the other side of that door.
Maybe it's Facebook.
Because of the forehead thing. If everyone is on Facebook they are marked. Also a lot of people buy and sell on Facebook it's become big business. Also there are images on Facebook that can speak because all they have to do is add sound to it or lipsynch so there you go. Plus they can harvest all your data on it.
Or it might be Tiktok.
Because of the forehead thing. If everyone is on Facebook they are marked. Also a lot of people buy and sell on Facebook it's become big business. Also there are images on Facebook that can speak because all they have to do is add sound to it or lipsynch so there you go. Plus they can harvest all your data on it.
Or it might be Tiktok.