So Cape what do you determine to be truth. Is it the books that were once accepted as scripture that no longer be accepted as inspired scripture. Or is it the actual accepted scriptures of today that you take issue with. Whilst it is true that the victors often write their account of history often with much biased and dishonestly. But that still doesn't change the matter of truth that we have of the battle of Waterloo or the American war of independence or the American civil war as a historical reality of truth. So there must be a reckoning of truth somewhere. and finally how do you determine that truth ? In your humble opinion more so when it comes to the bible .
What Are The Doctrines In The Bible?
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When I was wrestling with God and begging Him to reveal the TRUTH of WHO HE IS...to me... I did not find my answers in any CHURCH denomination. I went from leaving the Catholic Church... to only 2 other churches... and neither of those churches gave me any BIBLICAL answers.
The list of doctrines that Major posted are NOT founded from denominations... they are taken directly from the BIBLE. ALL Christian churches should be teaching proper biblical DOCTRINE. Sadly, however... this is NOT the case... nor is it the norm. Christian churches/denominations have mis-represented GOD and some ABSOLUTE TRUTHS.
There are some basic TRUTHS that we need to embrace... and accept if we want to call ourselves CHRISTIANS.... but ALSO.... this TRUTH is what gives us the POWER to live an obedient life that is pleasing to God.
Right off the bat... there are a list of denominations that will NOT bring you to the truth... due to their IMPROPER teachings.
Catholicism
Calvinism
Pentecostalism ( Charismatic ) also the Oneness Pentecostals
United Church ( who embrace same sex relationships and marriage )
WoF/Prosperity Doctrine
The above list is far from complete but is a basic sweep of those churches that have been around for a while... yet they hold and teach beliefs that are NOT biblical.
Then you have all the non-denominational fellowships that for the most part teach the WoF/Prosperity doctrines.... Basically anything you can see on television via the mega churches.
The problem with believing in a false doctrine over a true doctrine is that FALSE teaching brings you to a dead-end street.
On the other hand... a right belief in the TRUTH of the BIBLE brings forth LIGHT and a FRUITFUL life.
There is POWER in biblical TRUTH. LIFE CHANGING POWER.
The list of doctrines that Major posted are NOT founded from denominations... they are taken directly from the BIBLE. ALL Christian churches should be teaching proper biblical DOCTRINE. Sadly, however... this is NOT the case... nor is it the norm. Christian churches/denominations have mis-represented GOD and some ABSOLUTE TRUTHS.
There are some basic TRUTHS that we need to embrace... and accept if we want to call ourselves CHRISTIANS.... but ALSO.... this TRUTH is what gives us the POWER to live an obedient life that is pleasing to God.
Right off the bat... there are a list of denominations that will NOT bring you to the truth... due to their IMPROPER teachings.
Catholicism
Calvinism
Pentecostalism ( Charismatic ) also the Oneness Pentecostals
United Church ( who embrace same sex relationships and marriage )
WoF/Prosperity Doctrine
The above list is far from complete but is a basic sweep of those churches that have been around for a while... yet they hold and teach beliefs that are NOT biblical.
Then you have all the non-denominational fellowships that for the most part teach the WoF/Prosperity doctrines.... Basically anything you can see on television via the mega churches.
The problem with believing in a false doctrine over a true doctrine is that FALSE teaching brings you to a dead-end street.
On the other hand... a right belief in the TRUTH of the BIBLE brings forth LIGHT and a FRUITFUL life.
There is POWER in biblical TRUTH. LIFE CHANGING POWER.
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I have a question about this.... Does Justification happen from the moment we are saved??? or is it the final step that allows us to get to heaven? I'm trying to find a way to explain what I mean.
I know we are justified by and only because of CHRIST. I believe this is HOW GOD sees us... even though we are still filled with sin due to being on earth.... but there MUST be something that happens at judgement day???.... the part that Christ will plead our case and has paid in FULL for all our sins is what allows us to get to heaven.... right???? We are seen as righteous and exonerated from our SIN because Christ paid our debt... HE absorbed all our sin = we are made RIGHTEOUS before God. Am I correct??
Yes. You are correct!
At the moment we accept Jesus as our Saviour, He declares us "Not Guilty". Justification is a legal term for that action.
Also, at that same moment in time, we are indwelt with the Holy Spirit and "sealed".
The process of salvation is..........
1. Justified happens at the moment we accept Jeus as the Christ.
2. Sanctified. This is a life long process of being set aside for Gods use.
3. Glorified. This happens to our spirit at death so that we can stand in front of a holy God.
There is NO Judgment day for the believers. The Judgement Seat of Christ is seen in Romans 14:10-12......
“For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat. . . . So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God”.
Also 2 Corinthians 5:10........
“We must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad”.
The judgment seat of Christ does not determine our salvation; that matter was settled by Christ’s sacrifice on our behalf and our faith in Him. All our sins are forgiven, and there is “no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” (Romans 8:1).
Jesus said in John 5:4........
“Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life”.
Please understand that as I said, I am not debating or saying anyone is wrong and I am right. I am only teaching the Word of God as I know it and absolutely NO ONE has to accept what I say.
You are correct when you say........."My denomination is better than your denomination". That has been going on since there has been denominations.
And because men would rather believe a man with sweet flowing words instead of a Holy God we wind up with..............
Mormonism
Jehovah Witnesses
Muslims
Word of Faith
Prosperity Gospel
Rattlesnake handlers
Cathosolism
Universalism
And the list goes on and on and on!
What I can say with absolute clarity is that "ANY" denominational teaching that is not found in the Bible is heresy!
The person, or the denomination that agrees with what God has said is the one who is right!
It is just that simple my dear friend.
You are correct when you say........."My denomination is better than your denomination". That has been going on since there has been denominations.
And because men would rather believe a man with sweet flowing words instead of a Holy God we wind up with..............
Mormonism
Jehovah Witnesses
Muslims
Word of Faith
Prosperity Gospel
Rattlesnake handlers
Cathosolism
Universalism
And the list goes on and on and on!
What I can say with absolute clarity is that "ANY" denominational teaching that is not found in the Bible is heresy!
The person, or the denomination that agrees with what God has said is the one who is right!
It is just that simple my dear friend.
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Good morning,
This is a good list of the Doctrines.
I've shared with our congregation and other Churches that the Doctrines presented in this thread is vital to understand, at least the fundamentals of each one. The doctrines are important belief / teachings of Jesus Christ. In time as we continue to grow in Christ, we all have the opportunity to dig deeper each Doctrine and what it means.
Each Christian Church's autonomy may have their own set of Doctrines but the discipline of consistency in these Doctrines, is to be in accordance to the Word of God.
Please go back and review the list in this thread and one will see that each Doctrine is Biblical.
This is not to confuse Doctrines with the Ordinances. The Ordinances are sacred celebrations or remembrances such as Baptism and the Lord's Supper but that's for another discussion.
Major, a suggestion. Perhaps you can begin another thread on the Ordinances and each of their meanings.
These Doctrines become the accountability of each Church's leaders to establish and practice. It is also their responsibility to teach their congregants.
The list of Doctrines doesn't mean I'm going to master each one in my lifetime. Just like the Bible, there will always be room for study but having a basic understanding is a good start, and growing in it's meaning in the future is beneficial.
One a personal note. We're attending the funeral of a former member who died at 89. According to his son he decided the funeral will be held at a Catholic church. How has the Doctrines affected me in an instance such as this? By God growing me in my disposition, character and attitude in all life. I think about this.
My wife and I have attended at least 3 "funeral masses" that I can remember. There will be the Rosary, clinging of incense, prayers such as the Hail Mary, etc...Will I stand and protest what is and isn't Biblical while in attendance? Of course not.
Despite what I may disagree with, we will be there in silence and in Spirit, to remember an old friend, a brother in Christ who I solemnized his and his bride's wedding years ago. I'm there to support the family by my presence through prayer for his son, daughters, grandchildren and family. Their father will be missed by all, that's for sure.
I confess I won't enjoy being there, but it's not about me. The Doctrines aren't just a list of the Christian Church, it's purpose is to mold and shape what I practice, bringing Glory to God.
God bless everyone.
Bob
This is a good list of the Doctrines.
I've shared with our congregation and other Churches that the Doctrines presented in this thread is vital to understand, at least the fundamentals of each one. The doctrines are important belief / teachings of Jesus Christ. In time as we continue to grow in Christ, we all have the opportunity to dig deeper each Doctrine and what it means.
Each Christian Church's autonomy may have their own set of Doctrines but the discipline of consistency in these Doctrines, is to be in accordance to the Word of God.
Please go back and review the list in this thread and one will see that each Doctrine is Biblical.
This is not to confuse Doctrines with the Ordinances. The Ordinances are sacred celebrations or remembrances such as Baptism and the Lord's Supper but that's for another discussion.
Major, a suggestion. Perhaps you can begin another thread on the Ordinances and each of their meanings.
These Doctrines become the accountability of each Church's leaders to establish and practice. It is also their responsibility to teach their congregants.
The list of Doctrines doesn't mean I'm going to master each one in my lifetime. Just like the Bible, there will always be room for study but having a basic understanding is a good start, and growing in it's meaning in the future is beneficial.
One a personal note. We're attending the funeral of a former member who died at 89. According to his son he decided the funeral will be held at a Catholic church. How has the Doctrines affected me in an instance such as this? By God growing me in my disposition, character and attitude in all life. I think about this.
My wife and I have attended at least 3 "funeral masses" that I can remember. There will be the Rosary, clinging of incense, prayers such as the Hail Mary, etc...Will I stand and protest what is and isn't Biblical while in attendance? Of course not.
Despite what I may disagree with, we will be there in silence and in Spirit, to remember an old friend, a brother in Christ who I solemnized his and his bride's wedding years ago. I'm there to support the family by my presence through prayer for his son, daughters, grandchildren and family. Their father will be missed by all, that's for sure.
I confess I won't enjoy being there, but it's not about me. The Doctrines aren't just a list of the Christian Church, it's purpose is to mold and shape what I practice, bringing Glory to God.
God bless everyone.
Bob
Oh BOB.... I love YOU!!!!!! This is called showing MERCY at a time where MERCY is needed. THIS is called being a mature CHRISTIAN.
This is NOT the time to PROVE a point. AS they say the rosary... YOU can sit quietly and THANK GOD that you have been BLESSED to KNOW the TRUTH.
If you don't like the smell of incense... I would bring yourself some Vicks to stick up your nose... It is a very strong smell and some people get nauseous from it.
Hello In Awe of Him;
We love you too, sister.
I'm sure the son would have his reasons for choosing the Catholic Church but hey, his Dad died.
After the funeral I'll look to the Lord to search my heart and am sure to be at peace. This comes from discipleship from the Doctrines and it's intentions.
God bless you, In Awesome of Him.
You're not thinking it's wrong to go .... RIGHT??? The hard part for you will be TOLERATING the rituals that you know all too well
are NOT biblical. Sadly... the Catholic mass will give you an abundance of those THINGS.... HA. Just grin and bear it.... AND... bonus... If you bring the VICKS..... YOU will smell like a PEPPERMINT..... HAHAHA
Just DO NOT go up for COMMUNION..... OH my goodness.... don't do it BOB. HAHAHA... I'm sure that you know already that communion is ONLY offered to CATHOLICS.
Hello, In Awe of Him;
Thank you for the tips, but no, to all the above.
God bless you, sister.
Bob
9. The Doctrine of Sanctification: Sanctification an ongoing process by which believers are conformed to the image of Christ .
This is the pilgrim's walk.... our journey from the moment we become a Christian. It is our day in an day out TESTIMONY
of the WORKINGS within us towards being chiseled into the IMAGE of GOD.
It is our STORY.... and it is the LIVING JOURNAL that we write for and to GOD.
This is the pilgrim's walk.... our journey from the moment we become a Christian. It is our day in an day out TESTIMONY
of the WORKINGS within us towards being chiseled into the IMAGE of GOD.
It is our STORY.... and it is the LIVING JOURNAL that we write for and to GOD.
I will be honored to start that thread.
My wife and I have also attended services at different denominational churches. It would be a terrible dishonor to those people to argue or challenge there ordnances. The only proper thing to do is to ignore it.
For instance, we did not take communion in the Catholic church at a funeral service.
Correct. As we read the Bible, pray and work for God we are santified daily.
10. The Doctrine of the Church: The Church is the body of Christ, composed of all true believers in Jesus Christ.
and herein lies my problem.... The below is my original list of denominations I would never attend due to their false teachings. My city is small... but we do have these listed churches here.
Catholicism There has been much written about the doctrines within this denomination.
Calvinism On top of all the false teachings of Calvinism... our Presbyterian church has a female pastor.
Pentecostalism ( Charismatic ) also the Oneness Pentecostals. We have two Pentecostal churches and another non denominational church that is tied to the Toronto Blessing movement.... as well as an Independent Pentecostal Church where my aunt goes.
United Church ( who embrace same sex relationships and marriage ) The pastor is once again a woman... and she is a married lesbian.
WoF/Prosperity Doctrine No churches here that teach this doctrine of which I am aware of.
We also have two Baptist Churches and one of them has been laced with scandal.
My lack of TRUST is a real issue for me. I have said this many times and will say it again... Canadian churches are not remotely similar to those in the United States. WE do not have the church FAMILIES and communities....like they do down south.
My aunt's church is about the only one I can think of that has had the same followers for over 50 years... and her church is LEGALISTIC.
Literally.... I have NOTHING of TRUTH to choose from.... and I am certainly unwilling to walk in any of the above places for the sake of saying I went to church.
and herein lies my problem.... The below is my original list of denominations I would never attend due to their false teachings. My city is small... but we do have these listed churches here.
Catholicism There has been much written about the doctrines within this denomination.
Calvinism On top of all the false teachings of Calvinism... our Presbyterian church has a female pastor.
Pentecostalism ( Charismatic ) also the Oneness Pentecostals. We have two Pentecostal churches and another non denominational church that is tied to the Toronto Blessing movement.... as well as an Independent Pentecostal Church where my aunt goes.
United Church ( who embrace same sex relationships and marriage ) The pastor is once again a woman... and she is a married lesbian.
WoF/Prosperity Doctrine No churches here that teach this doctrine of which I am aware of.
We also have two Baptist Churches and one of them has been laced with scandal.
My lack of TRUST is a real issue for me. I have said this many times and will say it again... Canadian churches are not remotely similar to those in the United States. WE do not have the church FAMILIES and communities....like they do down south.
My aunt's church is about the only one I can think of that has had the same followers for over 50 years... and her church is LEGALISTIC.
Literally.... I have NOTHING of TRUTH to choose from.... and I am certainly unwilling to walk in any of the above places for the sake of saying I went to church.
I understand. It's becoming harder and harder to find real Bible believing churches anymore. Churches are becoming only too happy to accommodate the values of their local cultures. Even here in the American Bible belt more and more churches are opting for only Sunday morning services. This is largely due parishioners preferring Sunday evening televised sports such as the Super Bowl to church attendance (apparently they don't have video recorders). They also find they're too fatigued or otherwise occupied to attend Wednesday night services.
Well......I do not have any solutions for you. I do however have an idea.
Do a search of this forum site and look for "Romans" and Revelation". I posted a verse by verse systematic teaching on both books and they are still here.
Maybe do a daily reading of them with your Bible open and follow along! Now, before doing that, go to "You tube" and search "Bill Gaither's Homecoming". Listen to a few old fashioned songs, then do the Bible study and you will be able to say you went to a real Bible church service!
That is good to know.... I want to finish with this topic first.... as this is the FIRST time I have really done what could be construed as a STUDY.
So... this thread is a good start for me.
Good to hear.......I understand!
11. The Doctrine of Baptism: Baptism is an outward act of obedience of an inward regeneration. It is not a part of the salvation experience.
12. The Doctrine of the Lord’s Supper: Also known as Communion or the Eucharist. Lord’s Supper is a symbolic meal instituted by Jesus Christ.
Major I transferred this from the Doctrines and Ordinances thread for reference.
Southern Baptists, and most Independant Baptists fulfill holy mandates known as ordinances of which there are two:
1. Water baptism
2. Lord's Supper.
Baptist ordinances are often mistakenly referred to as sacraments.
I was baptised in a creek... in 2009. I remember feeling that I had been cleansed from the last of curses from the Catholic Church.
Since then.... so many MARVELLOUS things have happened to me.
I haven't really added anything to this. I believe Baptism is straight forward... An outward sign of an inward Grace is how I have heard it described in the past.
As for Communion.... I am a bit confused as to how often and WHEN the protestant churches partake in this ordinance???
It seems for the most part to be randomly selected times through out the year.... and most often experienced during special church celebrations... near Christmas and for sure Easter.
12. The Doctrine of the Lord’s Supper: Also known as Communion or the Eucharist. Lord’s Supper is a symbolic meal instituted by Jesus Christ.
Major I transferred this from the Doctrines and Ordinances thread for reference.
Southern Baptists, and most Independant Baptists fulfill holy mandates known as ordinances of which there are two:
1. Water baptism
2. Lord's Supper.
Baptist ordinances are often mistakenly referred to as sacraments.
I was baptised in a creek... in 2009. I remember feeling that I had been cleansed from the last of curses from the Catholic Church.
Since then.... so many MARVELLOUS things have happened to me.
I haven't really added anything to this. I believe Baptism is straight forward... An outward sign of an inward Grace is how I have heard it described in the past.
As for Communion.... I am a bit confused as to how often and WHEN the protestant churches partake in this ordinance???
It seems for the most part to be randomly selected times through out the year.... and most often experienced during special church celebrations... near Christmas and for sure Easter.
Good morning, In Awe of Him;
I read the last paragraph in your post and will like to share in Major's other thread, Ordinances and Doctrines.
What Is The Difference between Ordinances and Doctrines ?
The Catholic Church, and Eastern Orthodoxy, as well as Lutherans and Episcopalians and a few Protestant denominations use the term sacrament to refer to a rite through which God’s grace is conveyed to an individual. Many evangelical churches prefer the word ordinance, which can be defined as a...
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God bless you.