What Are The Doctrines In The Bible?

In Awe of Him said:
11. The Doctrine of Baptism: Baptism is an outward act of obedience of an inward regeneration. It is not a part of the salvation experience.

12. The Doctrine of the Lord’s Supper: Also known as Communion or the Eucharist. Lord’s Supper is a symbolic meal instituted by Jesus Christ.

Major I transferred this from the Doctrines and Ordinances thread for reference.
Southern Baptists, and most Independant Baptists fulfill holy mandates known as ordinances of which there are two:
1. Water baptism
2. Lord's Supper.
Baptist ordinances are often mistakenly referred to as sacraments.

I was baptised in a creek... in 2009. I remember feeling that I had been cleansed from the last of curses from the Catholic Church.
Since then.... so many MARVELLOUS things have happened to me.

I haven't really added anything to this. I believe Baptism is straight forward... An outward sign of an inward Grace is how I have heard it described in the past.

As for Communion.... I am a bit confused as to how often and WHEN the protestant churches partake in this ordinance???
It seems for the most part to be randomly selected times through out the year.... and most often experienced during special church celebrations... near Christmas and for sure Easter.
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You asked..........
"As for Communion.... I am a bit confused as to how often and WHEN the protestant churches partake in this ordinance???"

Baptist churches are what is called "Autonomous". That means they have the right to self government.

As such, each church makes the decision on an Indvidual basis. Some partake monthly but most do it on a quarterly basis.

As with most all things, if it is done too often, say weekly or even monthly, it tends to lose it real meaning and becomes a simple ritual.
 
13. The Doctrine of Prayer: Prayer is the means by which believers communicate with God, express their praise, and intercede for others.

Matthew 6:9-13 (The Lord's Prayer): "This, then, is how you should pray: 'Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us today our daily bread. Forgive us our debts, as we have forgiven our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. For yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forevermore.'"

1 Timothy 2:1: "I urge, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercessions and expressions of gratitude be made for everyone.

James 5:16: "Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective."

Hebrews 4:16: "Let us then approach God's throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need."

Colossians 4:2: "Continue steadfastly in prayer, being watchful in it with thanksgiving."

Good morning Major ... As I looked through your list... I did not see the word Worship as a Doctrine and so logically... even though I would have separated prayer and worship as two distinct categories... I do believe Worship will joyfully co-exist with prayer.

I said the above because I am more of a WORSHIPPER than a PRAY(ER).... or I guess I should say... that I approach prayer in the context of understanding and believing that GOD will INTERVENE... and has always been INTERVENING = IT IS GOD'S NATURE and GREAT PLEASURE to ALWAYS be WORKING things out for GOOD.

And so... my position is NOT to petition Him as such... because that would suggest I am "bringing something to His ATTENTION" and asking Him to change it for the sake of WHAT I THINK is best.

I think of prayers for healing... and how the healing part seems to be the focus when in reality...God often works in SUFFERING to SANCTIFY and PURIFY a soul... as well as to STRENGTHEN FAITH.... and so... I will NEVER approach a prayer with a DEMAND or REQUEST to FIX the situation or CHANGE it. I simply bring a situation BEFORE Father and ask HIM to give the person or persons the necessary STRENGTH to endure what is before them.

Please hear me when I say... I am NOT in the least judging how people PRAY. Prayer is a most personal thing... and the bible does INDEED tell us to go to FATHER for ALL our needs... including healing. I guess I have simply FAR too often felt that many Christians approach GOD in a way that I simply cannot join with.

My heart is always THANKING GOD.... and my prayers are for STRENGTH to ENDURE.... STRENGTH and COURAGE to CHANGE and turn from attitudes that may not be pleasing to God.

For me... instead of asking Father for what I need.... Right off the bat... I stand on the promise that HE will supply me with all my needs... so... I never ask God for things.... I THANK HIM for the abundance of things I have on a daily basis.

What I do ask God for... is the strength to become more like Him.

I guess this is STYLE of prayer. I just know that I have OFTEN been very uncomfortable with how people pray and approach God.
 
In Awe of Him said:
13. The Doctrine of Prayer: Prayer is the means by which believers communicate with God, express their praise, and intercede for others.

Matthew 6:9-13 (The Lord's Prayer): "This, then, is how you should pray: 'Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us today our daily bread. Forgive us our debts, as we have forgiven our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. For yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forevermore.'"

1 Timothy 2:1: "I urge, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercessions and expressions of gratitude be made for everyone.

James 5:16: "Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective."

Hebrews 4:16: "Let us then approach God's throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need."

Colossians 4:2: "Continue steadfastly in prayer, being watchful in it with thanksgiving."

Good morning Major ... As I looked through your list... I did not see the word Worship as a Doctrine and so logically... even though I would have separated prayer and worship as two distinct categories... I do believe Worship will joyfully co-exist with prayer.

I said the above because I am more of a WORSHIPPER than a PRAY(ER).... or I guess I should say... that I approach prayer in the context of understanding and believing that GOD will INTERVENE... and has always been INTERVENING = IT IS GOD'S NATURE and GREAT PLEASURE to ALWAYS be WORKING things out for GOOD.

And so... my position is NOT to petition Him as such... because that would suggest I am "bringing something to His ATTENTION" and asking Him to change it for the sake of WHAT I THINK is best.

I think of prayers for healing... and how the healing part seems to be the focus when in reality...God often works in SUFFERING to SANCTIFY and PURIFY a soul... as well as to STRENGTHEN FAITH.... and so... I will NEVER approach a prayer with a DEMAND or REQUEST to FIX the situation or CHANGE it. I simply bring a situation BEFORE Father and ask HIM to give the person or persons the necessary STRENGTH to endure what is before them.

Please hear me when I say... I am NOT in the least judging how people PRAY. Prayer is a most personal thing... and the bible does INDEED tell us to go to FATHER for ALL our needs... including healing. I guess I have simply FAR too often felt that many Christians approach GOD in a way that I simply cannot join with.

My heart is always THANKING GOD.... and my prayers are for STRENGTH to ENDURE.... STRENGTH and COURAGE to CHANGE and turn from attitudes that may not be pleasing to God.

For me... instead of asking Father for what I need.... Right off the bat... I stand on the promise that HE will supply me with all my needs... so... I never ask God for things.... I THANK HIM for the abundance of things I have on a daily basis.

What I do ask God for... is the strength to become more like Him.

I guess this is STYLE of prayer. I just know that I have OFTEN been very uncomfortable with how people pray and approach God.
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You are correct sister.

The church or person that does not operate under the biblical theology of worship is in danger of failing to give God glory and failing to offer worship that is pleasing to Him. Worship is as misunderstood a doctrine as any other within the church. Contrary to popular belief, worship does not begin and end with the singing portion of our church services. Worship is also not limited to bowing in reverence before God. To begin with, worship is determined by God Himself, not by our sincerity, pious feelings, or musical skill.

I am not a believer in "long" prayers.

Matthew 6:7-8.....
“And when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen do. For they think that they will be heard for their many words. “Therefore do not be like them. For your Father knows the things you have need of before you ask Him.”
 
In Awe of Him said:
13. The Doctrine of Prayer: Prayer is the means by which believers communicate with God, express their praise, and intercede for others.

Matthew 6:9-13 (The Lord's Prayer): "This, then, is how you should pray: 'Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us today our daily bread. Forgive us our debts, as we have forgiven our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. For yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forevermore.'"

1 Timothy 2:1: "I urge, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercessions and expressions of gratitude be made for everyone.

James 5:16: "Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective."

Hebrews 4:16: "Let us then approach God's throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need."

Colossians 4:2: "Continue steadfastly in prayer, being watchful in it with thanksgiving."

Good morning Major ... As I looked through your list... I did not see the word Worship as a Doctrine and so logically... even though I would have separated prayer and worship as two distinct categories... I do believe Worship will joyfully co-exist with prayer.

I said the above because I am more of a WORSHIPPER than a PRAY(ER).... or I guess I should say... that I approach prayer in the context of understanding and believing that GOD will INTERVENE... and has always been INTERVENING = IT IS GOD'S NATURE and GREAT PLEASURE to ALWAYS be WORKING things out for GOOD.

And so... my position is NOT to petition Him as such... because that would suggest I am "bringing something to His ATTENTION" and asking Him to change it for the sake of WHAT I THINK is best.

I think of prayers for healing... and how the healing part seems to be the focus when in reality...God often works in SUFFERING to SANCTIFY and PURIFY a soul... as well as to STRENGTHEN FAITH.... and so... I will NEVER approach a prayer with a DEMAND or REQUEST to FIX the situation or CHANGE it. I simply bring a situation BEFORE Father and ask HIM to give the person or persons the necessary STRENGTH to endure what is before them.

Please hear me when I say... I am NOT in the least judging how people PRAY. Prayer is a most personal thing... and the bible does INDEED tell us to go to FATHER for ALL our needs... including healing. I guess I have simply FAR too often felt that many Christians approach GOD in a way that I simply cannot join with.

My heart is always THANKING GOD.... and my prayers are for STRENGTH to ENDURE.... STRENGTH and COURAGE to CHANGE and turn from attitudes that may not be pleasing to God.

For me... instead of asking Father for what I need.... Right off the bat... I stand on the promise that HE will supply me with all my needs... so... I never ask God for things.... I THANK HIM for the abundance of things I have on a daily basis.

What I do ask God for... is the strength to become more like Him.

I guess this is STYLE of prayer. I just know that I have OFTEN been very uncomfortable with how people pray and approach God.
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Major said:
You are correct sister.

The church or person that does not operate under the biblical theology of worship is in danger of failing to give God glory and failing to offer worship that is pleasing to Him. Worship is as misunderstood a doctrine as any other within the church. Contrary to popular belief, worship does not begin and end with the singing portion of our church services. Worship is also not limited to bowing in reverence before God. To begin with, worship is determined by God Himself, not by our sincerity, pious feelings, or musical skill. I am not a believer in "long" prayers. Matthew 6:7-8.....
“And when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen do. For they think that they will be heard for their many words. “Therefore do not be like them. For your Father knows the things you have need of before you ask Him.”
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Major wrote: I am not a believer in "long" prayers.

That's why my wife doesn't allow me to pray before a meal in the restaurant. (Food will get cold!) 😎 lol! 👍

Lots of learning information in this topic. Good stuff here.
 
bobinfaith said:
Major wrote: I am not a believer in "long" prayers.

That's why my wife doesn't allow me to pray before a meal in the restaurant. (Food will get cold!) 😎 lol! 👍

Lots of learning information in this topic. Good stuff here.
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Bob......many years in UA, my kinfolks would gather for a dinner when my parents took me there for the summer.

My grandmother was Pearl and everyone called her Aunt Pearl. Now there is one thing you learn real quick and that is you never call on Aunt Pearl to bless a meal. Not only did she bless the food, the praised the Lord, and thanked Him repeatedly. By the time she said Amen, half the people were asleep.
 
HAHAHAHAHAHA @ Aunt Pearl.

15. The Doctrine of Judgment: All human beings will stand before God in judgment, either to receive eternal life in heaven or eternal separation from God.

17 Join together in following my example, brothers and sisters, and just as you have us as a model, keep your eyes on those who live as we do. 18 For, as I have often told you before and now tell you again even with tears, many live as enemies of the cross of Christ. 19 Their destiny is destruction, their god is their stomach, and their glory is in their shame. Their mind is set on earthly things. 20 But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21 who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body. ~Philippians 3:17-21

I am very interested in exactly HOW this plays out ( not for the NON-believer ) because that is straight forward... but rather for the deceivers.... the charlatans.... those who spread FALSE information about Christ for the sake of their own gain.

I won't name any names but from where I sit... there are a great MANY whom I WONDER about... who claim to be teachers of the word and prophets .... but who have served to DECEIVE and DESTROY the flock.

I think it is a two-fold issue.... there is the DECEIVER who in my estimation deserves NO MERCY
and then there is the deceived who will have borne the consequences of an unfruitful Christian existence because of BAD THEOLOGY.

Do these people who have purposely MOCKED God get away with this???

I don't imagine that God would show ANY mercy on these broods of vipers.

The ones who we see today most prevalently at the forefront stage of what is being represented as CHRISTIANITY
.... flaunting their wealth... and lying about prosperity and WHO GOD IS. I see these ones as ALL being cast off to the pits of hell where they belong.

In light of what is happening at this very moment in time... I am thinking about these FALSE teachers. I am wondering if perhaps God has handed over the world to ITSELF... so that it can CLEANSE and CALL out HIS true BRIDE???
 
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In Awe of Him said:
HAHAHAHAHAHA @ Aunt Pearl.

15. The Doctrine of Judgment: All human beings will stand before God in judgment, either to receive eternal life in heaven or eternal separation from God.

17 Join together in following my example, brothers and sisters, and just as you have us as a model, keep your eyes on those who live as we do. 18 For, as I have often told you before and now tell you again even with tears, many live as enemies of the cross of Christ. 19 Their destiny is destruction, their god is their stomach, and their glory is in their shame. Their mind is set on earthly things. 20 But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21 who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body. ~Philippians 3:17-21

I am very interested in exactly HOW this plays out ( not for the NON-believer ) because that is straight forward... but rather for the deceivers.... the charlatans.... those who spread FALSE information about Christ for the sake of their own gain.

I won't name any names but from where I sit... there are a great MANY whom I WONDER about... who claim to be teachers of the word and prophets .... but who have served to DECEIVE and DESTROY the flock.

I think it is a two-fold issue.... there is the DECEIVER who in my estimation deserves NO MERCY
and then there is the deceived who will have borne the consequences of an unfruitful Christian existence because of BAD THEOLOGY.

Do these people who have purposely MOCKED God get away with this???

I don't imagine that God would show ANY mercy on these broods of vipers.

The ones who we see today most prevalently at the forefront stage of what is being represented as CHRISTIANITY
.... flaunting their wealth... and lying about prosperity and WHO GOD IS. I see these ones as ALL being cast off to the pits of hell where they belong.

In light of what is happening at this very moment in time... I am thinking about these FALSE teachers. I am wondering if perhaps God has handed over the world to ITSELF... so that it can CLEANSE and CALL out HIS true BRIDE???
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Good morning, In Awe of Him;

I'm responding to your post in LOVE and Encouragement for all of us.

The Doctrine of Judgment. When we stand before God in judgment we won't be watching what happens to the "others" before God. Personally, we will be rejoicing our lifetime of walking with Jesus and now standing before our Father.

Speaking for myself, God will judge me for what I did or didn't do for Him in my lifetime. No matter what (in my infinite mind) all I could do for Him, there's no way around it. I will still fall short and He will reveal that area and judge me.

It will be straight forward. We had a lifetime to dance around it but with the opportunity to get our life in right standing with Christ until the day we meet our Father.

The ones you describe is sad. Anyone who leads a lamb away from Christ is wicked. But the Good News is many have turned and repented of their wicked ways. God has guided them back to the road of right standing with Him. For this we must continue to pray for the blind and the lost.

Still, sad for the ones you describe made a lifetime of choosing the low road and kept dancing around it til the day they meet the Father. At that moment there won’t be time for change. There will be no time for last minute arguments of what they did for the Almighty. For this also we must continue to pray for the blind and the lost.

With each new day, there is still time right now to strive to remain holy.

Philippians 3:17-21, 17 Join together in following my example, brothers and sisters, and just as you have us as a model, keep your eyes on those who live as we do. 18 For, as I have often told you before and now tell you again even with tears, many live as enemies of the cross of Christ. 19 Their destiny is destruction, their god is their stomach, and their glory is in their shame. Their mind is set on earthly things. 20 But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21 who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body. - NIV

God bless you, sister.

Bob
 
In Awe of Him said:
I am very interested in exactly HOW this plays out ( not for the NON-believer ) because that is straight forward... but rather for the deceivers.... the charlatans.... those who spread FALSE information about Christ for the sake of their own gain.

I won't name any names but from where I sit... there are a great MANY whom I WONDER about... who claim to be teachers of the word and prophets .... but who have served to DECEIVE and DESTROY the flock.

I think it is a two-fold issue.... there is the DECEIVER who in my estimation deserves NO MERCY
and then there is the deceived who will have borne the consequences of an unfruitful Christian existence because of BAD THEOLOGY.

Do these people who have purposely MOCKED God get away with this???

I don't imagine that God would show ANY mercy on these broods of vipers.
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Maybe not with as much love and encouragement, but Jude has a few stark things to say...
Beginning at verse 4, and going through to at least verse 16.

Jude 1:4 KJV
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
 
crossnote said:
Maybe not with as much love and encouragement, but Jude has a few stark things to say...
Beginning at verse 4, and going through to at least verse 16.

Jude 1:4 KJV
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
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and THIS is what I am talking about. This is what bothers me so deeply... .and not that it's any of my business... but I often ask Father about this topic. THANK you crossnote
 
In Awe of Him said:
HAHAHAHAHAHA @ Aunt Pearl.

15. The Doctrine of Judgment: All human beings will stand before God in judgment, either to receive eternal life in heaven or eternal separation from God.

17 Join together in following my example, brothers and sisters, and just as you have us as a model, keep your eyes on those who live as we do. 18 For, as I have often told you before and now tell you again even with tears, many live as enemies of the cross of Christ. 19 Their destiny is destruction, their god is their stomach, and their glory is in their shame. Their mind is set on earthly things. 20 But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21 who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body. ~Philippians 3:17-21

I am very interested in exactly HOW this plays out ( not for the NON-believer ) because that is straight forward... but rather for the deceivers.... the charlatans.... those who spread FALSE information about Christ for the sake of their own gain.

I won't name any names but from where I sit... there are a great MANY whom I WONDER about... who claim to be teachers of the word and prophets .... but who have served to DECEIVE and DESTROY the flock.

I think it is a two-fold issue.... there is the DECEIVER who in my estimation deserves NO MERCY
and then there is the deceived who will have borne the consequences of an unfruitful Christian existence because of BAD THEOLOGY.

Do these people who have purposely MOCKED God get away with this???

I don't imagine that God would show ANY mercy on these broods of vipers.

The ones who we see today most prevalently at the forefront stage of what is being represented as CHRISTIANITY
.... flaunting their wealth... and lying about prosperity and WHO GOD IS. I see these ones as ALL being cast off to the pits of hell where they belong.

In light of what is happening at this very moment in time... I am thinking about these FALSE teachers. I am wondering if perhaps God has handed over the world to ITSELF... so that it can CLEANSE and CALL out HIS true BRIDE???
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There has been false teachers and charlatans since the beginning of time.

What we are seeing on TV and other medias is not new.

Matthew 7:21-23 is as relevant today as it was 2000 years ago when God said...........
" Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

"crossnote" quoted Jude:4 where he explains why his readers should aggressively defend the truth.

Today just as then, as predicted, immoral men and women had crept into the membership of first-century churches. Jude describes them as ungodly, accusing them of claiming that God's grace allowed them to lead an immoral life. According to Jude, they even rejected the fact that Jesus Christ is the ultimate authority and Lord. It seems these apostates believed it was acceptable to give in to the body's evil desires. The apostates' character, conduct, and condemnation had been predicted in Isaiah, 2 Thess, 1 Tim. 2 Timothy and 2 Peter.

The apostle Peter also contradicts the false teaching that grace permits immoral living, writing: "but as he who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct, since it is written, 'You shall be holy, for I am holy'" (1 Peter 1:15–16).

We (the church) have turned our head and allowed sin to not just "creep" in but to RUN in. We have allowed women to be Pastors and Deacons. We have allowed abortions and homosexuality all in the name of "Fairness and equality" and freedom to choose.

I have a feeling that at the Judgment Seat of Christ when all of these false teachers and charlatans stand to give an account of their actions, they will hear God repeat Matthew 7:21-23 again to them.
 
16. The Doctrine of the Holy Spirit: The HS is the third person of the Trinity, who indwells believers, empowers them for ministry, convicts them of sin.

17. The Doctrine of Spiritual Gifts: Believers are endowed with spiritual gifts by the Holy Spirit for the edification of the Church.

I decided to put these two together because they are often MIS-UNDERSTOOD and wrongly taught. Whether this is by purposeful deception for personal gain or not is to be debated. I believe that wrongful TEACHING with regards to these matters to be DELIBERATE in nature.

The Holy Spirit.... OH the lovely and most precious HOLY SPIRIT. The clean convicter of our sins.... the breath of STRENGTH when we are weary... and the only HOPE from worldly despair.

The topic of Spiritual GIFTS is yet again... another subject that DIVIDES believers.

There is a school of thought that spiritual gifts can be TAUGHT. I have seen this in Evangelical circles.... teaching of Healing... teaching of Prophesy.... teaching of tongues... teaching of interpretation of tongues and discerning dreams..... AND... the list goes on.

REAL spiritual gifts of are GOD GIVEN.... therefore cannot be taught.

Spiritual GIFTS as Major pointed out are for the EDIFICATION of the church. A well and healthy church will have their members acting according to the GIFTS given to each. It doesn't seem to me that we have many of these types of churches in operation today.

To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues, and to still another the interpretation of tongues.
 
In Awe of Him said:
16. The Doctrine of the Holy Spirit: The HS is the third person of the Trinity, who indwells believers, empowers them for ministry, convicts them of sin.

17. The Doctrine of Spiritual Gifts: Believers are endowed with spiritual gifts by the Holy Spirit for the edification of the Church.

I decided to put these two together because they are often MIS-UNDERSTOOD and wrongly taught. Whether this is by purposeful deception for personal gain or not is to be debated. I believe that wrongful TEACHING with regards to these matters to be DELIBERATE in nature.

The Holy Spirit.... OH the lovely and most precious HOLY SPIRIT. The clean convicter of our sins.... the breath of STRENGTH when we are weary... and the only HOPE from worldly despair.

The topic of Spiritual GIFTS is yet again... another subject that DIVIDES believers.

There is a school of thought that spiritual gifts can be TAUGHT. I have seen this in Evangelical circles.... teaching of Healing... teaching of Prophesy.... teaching of tongues... teaching of interpretation of tongues and discerning dreams..... AND... the list goes on.

REAL spiritual gifts of are GOD GIVEN.... therefore cannot be taught.

Spiritual GIFTS as Major pointed out are for the EDIFICATION of the church. A well and healthy church will have their members acting according to the GIFTS given to each. It doesn't seem to me that we have many of these types of churches in operation today.

To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues, and to still another the interpretation of tongues.
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When I was a young man (about 100 yrs ago) I was told when I got saved that I had to speek in tongues. I had heard it done in the church my parents went to but never by them or me.

When I was accepted as a member, the Pastor said that "I will have to attend a tongues class to learn who to speak in tongues".

If it is a gift then there is no way that it should be taught. That was the 1st step in my departure from the Pentacostal denomination.
 
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Just out of curiosity, what do you make of the "School of the Prophets" in Elijah's time?
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According to the New International Bible Dictionary, Samuel established the first school of the prophets at Ramah (1Sam.19:19-20) in an effort to counter the false teaching of the Torah being presented at the time. Students studied the Law and its proper meaning and interpretation. Not all the students had the prophetic gift but were being trained as preachers and teachers. This today would be the equivalent of a Bible college and seminary. For more information see the New International Bible Dictionary article "School" pages 904-905.
 
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Just out of curiosity, what do you make of the "School of the Prophets" in Elijah's time?
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Thank you brother for asking me such a question.

I believe what you are referring to is the Old Testament school of prophets in 1 Samuel 19:18–24 and in 2 Kings 2 and 4:38-44.
Some say “company of prophets” or “sons of the prophets” as well. Also, the prophet Amos possibly mentions a prophetic school in stating his credentials to Amaziah the priest in Amos 7:14.......“I was neither a prophet nor the son of a prophet”.

I can not tell you how many times I have used that phrase from Amos but I added......"But my father was a pistol so I guess I am a son of a gun"!

The “group of prophets” in 1 Samuel 19 was clearly comprised of students of the prophet Samuel. These students were likely Levites who served in roles related to the tabernacle and ceremonial worship. The content of their “prophesies” is not specified. Their messages could have been general teachings from God’s laws in the Books of Moses, or they could have included additional revelation.

There were at least three schools or communities of these prophets and possibly more, consisting of men who were devoted to God and served Him. They followed the teachings of Samuel, Elijah, and Elisha during the time of the prophets and were known as their “students.”

If you recall, the spiritual condition of Israel had worsened due to the influence of Ahab and Jezebel, who promoted Baal worship.
In response, Elijah and Elisha sought to strengthen the faithful remnant through these schools.

In many ways, those schools, and Israels spiritual decline remind me of the USA and our Churches today.
 
Major said:
Thank you brother for asking me such a question.

I believe what you are referring to is the Old Testament school of prophets in 1 Samuel 19:18–24 and in 2 Kings 2 and 4:38-44.
Some say “company of prophets” or “sons of the prophets” as well. Also, the prophet Amos possibly mentions a prophetic school in stating his credentials to Amaziah the priest in Amos 7:14.......“I was neither a prophet nor the son of a prophet”.

I can not tell you how many times I have used that phrase from Amos but I added......"But my father was a pistol so I guess I am a son of a gun"!

The “group of prophets” in 1 Samuel 19 was clearly comprised of students of the prophet Samuel. These students were likely Levites who served in roles related to the tabernacle and ceremonial worship. The content of their “prophesies” is not specified. Their messages could have been general teachings from God’s laws in the Books of Moses, or they could have included additional revelation.

There were at least three schools or communities of these prophets and possibly more, consisting of men who were devoted to God and served Him. They followed the teachings of Samuel, Elijah, and Elisha during the time of the prophets and were known as their “students.”

If you recall, the spiritual condition of Israel had worsened due to the influence of Ahab and Jezebel, who promoted Baal worship.
In response, Elijah and Elisha sought to strengthen the faithful remnant through these schools.

In many ways, those schools, and Israels spiritual decline remind me of the USA and our Churches today.
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Thanks, what spurred my question was your comment here...
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If it is a gift then there is no way that it should be taught. That was the 1st step in my departure from the Pentacostal denomination.
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It's sort of like, what school should I apply to, to learn how to prophesy? (when all the long it's a gift given).
 
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Thanks, what spurred my question was your comment here...

It's sort of like, what school should I apply to, to learn how to prophesy? (when all the long it's a gift given).
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I appreciate you.

My point was that if speaking in tongues was/is a gift of the Holy Spirit, then we should not have to "learn" anything.

The school of prophets it seems to me were men who were "taught" what the Law and the Torah were so that they could tell others = "Teach".

When I was younger, I was told that I had the gift and calling to preach. (I think that was said because I talked a lot and was loud).
Anyway.....I went to Seminary to learn how to and what to teach correctly from men who knew what the Bible said.

Something I observed.......on several occasions, a man would come to the Lord Jesus and be saved. Then about a month later he/they would come to me and want to teach a Bible class. That is a good sign but also a bad sign. Lots of churches have very few people who will want to teach so when this happens they grab the person and make them a teacher. That is the "bad" side.

You see, excitement over being saved is the "good" sign but we should not expect that a recently saved person all of a sudden to be qualified to teach others. All of this is like watching a movie on brain surgery then believing you can operate on someones brain.

Necessity should not be the remedy for success.

Is that about what you were thinking.
 
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