Who comes with Jesus at His second coming?

Marilyn C

Marilyn C

I am interested to see what others believe on this important detail in scripture.

`Then I saw heaven opened, & behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful & True, & in righteousness He judges & makes war.......
And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white & clean, followed Him on white horses.` (Rev. 19: 14)

Here we see Jesus is coming to the earth to make war against the rebellious nations. Symbolism is used to help us understand this awesome sight. So we need to have God`s word for interpretation of them.

So who is coming with Jesus to make war.....?

Looking forward to your thoughts & back up scriptures. Marilyn.
 
Hi Abdicate,

Thank you for your reply. Could you even just give me a few of your scriptures that reveal this to you.

Marilyn.

Abdicate said:
I believe Jesus comes back with His bride only. That is my opinion and my understanding of the scriptures.

The scriptures are many on this, and they are all 100% Islamic nations.
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Lebanon Eze 28:20-24
Egypt Eze 29:3, 9
Egypt, Libya, Turkey and Arabia Eze 29:9; Eze 30:3-4; Isa 45:14
Syria, Iraq, Iran and Turkey Eze 32:22-23
Iran Eze 32:24
Turkey & the Turkic Nations of South Russia Eze 32:26-27
Jordan & Saudi Arabia Eze 32:29
Turkey & Lebanon Eze 32:30

Eze 27-32 is linked to Rev 19

Don't forget the Psalms too like 83 and 117
 
Hi Abdicate,

Thank you for doing all that work. I actually read your comments on the thread about Ps. 83 & I totally agree that that was the 6-day war. Not many understand that. I will look up all your scriptures that you posted about the Islamic nations. I agree that there will be Islamic nations there but believe that other nations will be involved.

`For they are the spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth & of the WHOLE WORLD, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty......Armageddon.` (Rev. 16: 14 & 16)

Thus said I really was asking you for your scriptures on who you believe is coming with Jesus when He returns to make war against the rebellious nations of the earth.

Looking forward to your comments, Marilyn.
 
All of the "raptured" Saints will be coming with the Lord at his second coming to make war on "all who know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:" (2 Th 1:8)

Rev 19:7.. Let us rejoice and exult and give him the glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and his Bride has made herself ready;
Rev 19:8.. it was granted her to clothe herself with fine linen, bright and pure"— for the fine linen is the righteous deeds of the saints.

Rev 19:14.. And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, were following him on white horses.
 
1Th 3:13.. To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.

Jud 1:14.. And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
 
Marilyn C said:
Hi Abdicate,

Thank you for doing all that work. I actually read your comments on the thread about Ps. 83 & I totally agree that that was the 6-day war. Not many understand that. I will look up all your scriptures that you posted about the Islamic nations. I agree that there will be Islamic nations there but believe that other nations will be involved.

`For they are the spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth & of the WHOLE WORLD, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty......Armageddon.` (Rev. 16: 14 & 16)

Thus said I really was asking you for your scriptures on who you believe is coming with Jesus when He returns to make war against the rebellious nations of the earth.

Looking forward to your comments, Marilyn.
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Thanks. As to the bride coming back, well that's not so spelled out as the Islamic one, but honestly you have to take all the scriptures into account. Here's MY thoughts as I gathered them from the scriptures: The rapture pulls the bride out, but not all Christians are the bride, only those found worthy to escape. The Marriage Supper of the Lamb happens and all the OT saints attend as guests while the earth is judged. After the supper, then the bema seat. Then the bride mounts up with Jesus and they return to the earth at the end of the tribulation period and destroys the AC and all the evil of the earth. The OT saints remain in heaven. Jesus reigns for 1000 years and His bride with Him, while the devil is in jail, and then when he's released, he tempts the world, and when they surround Jerusalem, the Father sends down judgement fire, then the end. Then all His are gathered together with Him into one place, Eph 1:10. Then the White Throne Judgment of the dead (lost) is made and all them, including death and hell, are thrown into the lake of fire. The rest live happily ever after. The End.

Just my take.
 
Hi @Abdicate,

Thank you for your overview. However as I have been taught somewhat differently in some of the details I thought people may like to understand that as well. You have not given me specific scriptures regarding the topic, but you may like to read what I was taught as I answer CCW95A.


Marilyn.
 
Hi @CCW95A,

Thank you for replying with scriptures. So let`s have a close look at them –


1Thess. 3: 13 `...so that He may establish your hearts blameless in holiness before our God & Father at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all His saints.`

1Thess. 4: 14 – 17 `For if we believe that Jesus died & rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus......then we who are alive & remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds...`

Thus we can see that in context Paul is referring to the `dead in Christ` coming with Him & those who are still alive will be caught up together with them. This is not the picture of Christ coming with an army to war against the rebellious. Two different events.


Jude 1: 14 ` Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these (rebellious) men also, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousand of His Holy Ones.`

Holy Ones – Gk. `hagio` meaning sacred, holy.


So we read that Enoch prophesied about the Lord coming with ten thousands of His `Holy ones.` Now who are these `holy ones.` If we go to Deuteronomy we read of Moses talking about this same event.

`And he said: “The Lord came from Sinai, & dawned on them from Seir; He shone forth from Mount Paran, And he came with ten thousands of holy ones.” (Deut. 33: 2)

Holy Ones – Heb. `quodos,` meaning sacred, holy.

Finally we are told by David in the Psalms who these `holy ones,` are.

`The chariots of God are myriads, thousands upon thousands; the Lord is among them as at Sinai, in holiness.` (Ps. 68: 17)

The `chariots of God,` are the angels who were also at Sinai.

Holy Ones – Heb. `quodos` & Gk. `hagio` both mean sacred & holy.

And that can be angels, people, or even holy things. Now some interpreters have written `saints,` but the word is `holy one.` So we need to look at other scriptures to know specifically what is the meaning.

I will look at your other scriptures but thought you or others might like to reply to this.

Marilyn.
 
Marilyn C said:
Thus we can see that in context Paul is referring to the `dead in Christ` coming with Him & those who are still alive will be caught up together with them. This is not the picture of Christ coming with an army to war against the rebellious. Two different events.
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You are right, one is talking about the "rapture", and the other is talking about his "second coming" with ALL his saints. Either way it makes no difference as every where Jesus goes, his Church also goes with him. Why? Because we are in Christ, and Christ is in us! There is no way Jesus can can anywhere without his Church, and there is no way we his Church can go anywhere without Christ since he lives in us!. He is our head, and we are his body! Besides the resurrection is for the body not the spirit as we are already sitting in Heavenly places in Christ. That is if we really believe the scriptures.
 
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CCW95A said:
Besides the resurrection is for the body not the spirit as we are already sitting in Heavenly places in Christ. That is if we really believe the scriptures.
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But how can the spirit and soul exist without the body. God made the body first in Gen 2:7.
 
ATP said:
But how can the spirit and soul exist without the body. God made the body first in Gen 2:7.
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Does Jesus have a body? How can he live inside us. Are we not his body? Were is Jesus right now? where he is so are we, if you are in Christ.
 
CCW95A said:
Does Jesus have a body? How can he live inside us. Are we not his body? Were is Jesus right now? where he is so are we, if you are in Christ.
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Jesus is the only exception because He is God.

Scripture does not say our spirit and soul are separated from our body at death, unless you have scripture to prove otherwise.
 
ATP said:
Jesus is the only exception because He is God.

Scripture does not say our spirit and soul are separated from our body at death, unless you have scripture to prove otherwise.
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Number one. We have already died on the cross with Christ. Two, we have been circumcised in putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ. How to do expect to come boldly to the throne of Grace? Your physical body can not go there, for flesh and blood can not inherit the Kingdom of God. The throne of grace is not in, or of this world!!

Col 2:11.. In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ,
 
CCW95A said:
Number one. We have already died on the cross with Christ. Two, we have been circumcised in putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ. How to do expect to come boldly to the throne of Grace? Your physical body can not go there, for flesh and blood can not inherit the Kingdom of God. The throne of grace is not in, or of this world!!

Col 2:11.. In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ,
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Right, flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom.

That is why we inherit the kingdom at the first resurrection with our glorified bodies, spirits and souls intact.
 
Marilyn C said:
Hi @Abdicate,

Thank you for your overview. However as I have been taught somewhat differently in some of the details I thought people may like to understand that as well. You have not given me specific scriptures regarding the topic, but you may like to read what I was taught as I answer CCW95A.


Marilyn.
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I use the scriptures I just get a bit weary of trying to prove them as most people don't see the big picture because of dogma. So when I show what I believe, it can't be shown in one verse. So what part of my beliefs do you want more information on?
 
ATP said:
Right, flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom.

That is why we inherit the kingdom at the first resurrection with our glorified bodies, spirits and souls intact.
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Man can live without his body, but he can not live without his spirit. Ever notice the personality of someone whose spirit has left his body? Not much to talk about with that person! This is why the Kingdom of God is filled with the "spirits of just men made perfect" (Heb 12:23) If you do not know who that would be, it is the Church, awaiting their new glorified bodies.
 
ATP said:
But how can the spirit and soul exist without the body. God made the body first in Gen 2:7.
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But Who gave the Spirit in the first place? The combination of Spirit and flesh made a living soul. When the body dies, the flesh returns to the dust from where it came, and the Spirit back to Who gave it. The soul, well, that depends on its actions on earth, Ecc 12:7.
 
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