Who Will Be The Two Witnesses?

Who do you think

  • Elijah

    Votes: 10 90.9%

  • Enoch

    Votes: 3 27.3%

  • Moses

    Votes: 8 72.7%

  • John the Baptist

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • King David

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • James, Brother of Jesus

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Mary Magdalene

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Mary, the Mother of Jesus

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    11
Major - however you want to slice the cake - they still are slain (I agree God allows it). You said that because all who live and are saved during the Trib will do so without physical death. You can't dismiss the theory based on that, that the 2 witnesses won't experience physical death. Aside from the fact that I believe there will be those saved who die before the trib ends.

The 2 witnesses seem to appear, full grown, in Jerusalem. And they are directly lead by God. It could be two unknowns and certainly I wouldn't think they would identify themselves as Elijah or Moses or whoever, immediately, if they were. If, as attributed by Christ, Elijah was reborn as John the Baptist, then he has suffered physical death. (Matthew 17:12 ). But, Malachi 4:5 , says Elijah will come
"Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:" So maybe he will come both times. IDK.

I think the 2 witnesses come after the Rapture, at the beginning of the trib, for 3 1/2 yrs, to rebuild the 3rd Temple and gather the remnant. I think when the Temple is rebuilt, cleansed and dedicated (3 1/2 yrs), the AC will come to Jerusalem,allowed to slay the witnesses and abominate the Temple. That is the sign to flee Jerusalem and many have predicted they will flee to Petra.
 
Jewish Apocrypha has a story where after the fall, God was showing Adam his many descendants when Adam exclaimed. There was a soul born on the same day that he died. Adam felt this soul was beautiful and great and mourned he would not live longer. He told God that he would give 70 years off his own life to this soul. Thus Adam lived 930 years and King David lived 70 years.
The case for King David:
- He comes from Adam's line thru Seth to Noah to Shem, great grandson to Boaz and Naomi who had Obed who sired Jesse - David's father. The prophecy says Christ will come from the line of David - not Adam or any patriarch in between.
- In the KJV, David is mentioned/referenced 1,139 times. Supposedly, there is no archaelogical evidence (or Solomon for that matter), that David ever really lived. And yet David lives in the hearts and minds of Jews & Christians to this very day. He represents a golden age to Jews.
- He killed Goliath of Gath with a stone to the forehead. He cut off Goliaths head and may have buried the head just outside Jerusalem at the place of the skull - Golgatha? 1st Century Jewish historian, Josephus indicates that the bones of Israel's enemies, the giants were on display at the Temple.
- He loved God, and despite his sins, was loved by God. He repented his sins and tried to atone.
- Some of his Psalms are said to be messianic, indicating he knew what was to come regarding Christ.
If someone was a Jew today - would they believe a message from King David.

That's all the pros I can think of at the moment. Anyone else want to have a go? The cons?
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I almost forgot - David made Jerusalem the capital of Israel. His son built the 1st Temple. Maybe it's David's turn to build a temple.
 
Wow! You know I forgot all about those that Christ raised from the dead. Perforce, they all died twice. But MacArthur seems to see them throughout the 7 yr. Trib. I'll have to think on that a bit. I have always thought they are resurrected after 3 days and then return to Heaven. OK - I am over they have to have never died. Moses was going to be my next case because he is the one figure that everyone would listen to. Loved the link!!!.
 
Silk said:
Wow! You know I forgot all about those that Christ raised from the dead. Perforce, they all died twice. But MacArthur seems to see them throughout the 7 yr. Trib. I'll have to think on that a bit. I have always thought they are resurrected after 3 days and then return to Heaven. OK - I am over they have to have never died. Moses was going to be my next case because he is the one figure that everyone would listen to. Loved the link!!!.
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Mind blown. I never thought about those who have been raised from the dead in the Bible. Id love to hear more opinions on that subject, but I think I'll start it in a new thread, so I don't hijack this one.

For this one, if it has to be people that are already in the Bible... What if it's two people that God is giving a second chance. In that case how about Judas, and... Cain.
 
Where is the Messiah said:
Mind blown. I never thought about those who have been raised from the dead in the Bible. Id love to hear more opinions on that subject, but I think I'll start it in a new thread, so I don't hijack this one.

For this one, if it has to be people that are already in the Bible... What if it's two people that God is giving a second chance. In that case how about Judas, and... Cain.
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Don't worry about hi-jacks - I started the thread to get people talking w/o arguments.
 
Wow, again. I was thinking God giving a second chance to David when I posted it but was waiting on anyone else's cons against David. That was what I was hoping for in this thread - to discuss great bible figures. Pro and con. I do like the second chance idea.
 
Just a reminder: You can change your vote in the poll. I just changed mine to Elijah and Moses.

I really wish I could change the poll now. Dang
 
I believe the two witnesses are symbolic of God's Word as recorded in the Old and New Testaments (see Zechariah 4:2-6; Psalm 119:105). The angel makes it clear that the olive trees are representing the work of God's Spirit--the Bible testifies (witnesses) of God's Spirit at work in human history.

In 538 A.D. the papacy empowered by Emperor Justinian used its unholy alliance with human government to destroy the Ostrogoths because they held up God's Word in opposition to the false teachings of the papacy. This began the 1260 year (year for a day as in Ezekiel 4:5-6) suppression of the Bible (two witnesses) and persecution of those faithful to it by the papacy and its allied governments ending in 1798, when Napoleon overthrew the pope.
 
And what exactly would be the case for Elijah? And why does Christ refer to him as Elias? (at the transfiguration) Is it just that he did not experience physical death? And is predicted to return? Here's some scripture that has him being nourished by ravens and raising the dead.


1Ki 17:1
And Elijah the Tishbite, who was of the inhabitants of Gilead, said unto Ahab, As the LORD God of Israel liveth, before whom I stand, there shall not be dew nor rain these years, but according to my word.
1Ki 17:2
And the word of the LORD came unto him, saying,
1Ki 17:3
Get thee hence, and turn thee eastward, and hide thyself by the brook Cherith, that is before Jordan.
1Ki 17:4
And it shall be, that thou shalt drink of the brook; and I have commanded the ravens to feed thee there.
1Ki 17:5
So he went and did according unto the word of the LORD: for he went and dwelt by the brook Cherith, that is before Jordan.
1Ki 17:6
And the ravens brought him bread and flesh in the morning, and bread and flesh in the evening; and he drank of the brook.
1Ki 17:7
And it came to pass after a while, that the brook dried up, because there had been no rain in the land.
1Ki 17:8
And the word of the LORD came unto him, saying,
1Ki 17:9
Arise, get thee to Zarephath, which belongeth to Zidon, and dwell there: behold, I have commanded a widow woman there to sustain thee.
1Ki 17:10
So he arose and went to Zarephath. And when he came to the gate of the city, behold, the widow woman was there gathering of sticks: and he called to her, and said, Fetch me, I pray thee, a little water in a vessel, that I may drink.
1Ki 17:11
And as she was going to fetch it, he called to her, and said, Bring me, I pray thee, a morsel of bread in thine hand.
1Ki 17:12
And she said, As the LORD thy God liveth, I have not a cake, but an handful of meal in a barrel, and a little oil in a cruse: and, behold, I am gathering two sticks, that I may go in and dress it for me and my son, that we may eat it, and die.
1Ki 17:13
And Elijah said unto her, Fear not; go and do as thou hast said: but make me thereof a little cake first, and bring it unto me, and after make for thee and for thy son.
1Ki 17:14
For thus saith the LORD God of Israel, The barrel of meal shall not waste, neither shall the cruse of oil fail, until the day that the LORD sendeth rain upon the earth.
1Ki 17:15
And she went and did according to the saying of Elijah: and she, and he, and her house, did eat many days.
1Ki 17:16
And the barrel of meal wasted not, neither did the cruse of oil fail, according to the word of the LORD, which he spake by Elijah.
1Ki 17:17
And it came to pass after these things, that the son of the woman, the mistress of the house, fell sick; and his sickness was so sore, that there was no breath left in him.
1Ki 17:18
And she said unto Elijah, What have I to do with thee, O thou man of God? art thou come unto me to call my sin to remembrance, and to slay my son?
1Ki 17:19
And he said unto her, Give me thy son. And he took him out of her bosom, and carried him up into a loft, where he abode, and laid him upon his own bed.
1Ki 17:20
And he cried unto the LORD, and said, O LORD my God, hast thou also brought evil upon the widow with whom I sojourn, by slaying her son?
1Ki 17:21
And he stretched himself upon the child three times, and cried unto the LORD, and said, O LORD my God, I pray thee, let this child's soul come into him again.
1Ki 17:22
And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived.
1Ki 17:23
And Elijah took the child, and brought him down out of the chamber into the house, and delivered him unto his mother: and Elijah said, See, thy son liveth.
1Ki 17:24
And the woman said to Elijah, Now by this I know that thou art a man of God, and that the word of the LORD in thy mouth is truth.
 
Moses, now!! He's the law giver who lead his people from Egypt to the Promised land. Doesn't he deserve to feel that land under his feet for the first time?
 
The Revelation was "SIGNIFIED" or to put it another way - "SIGN-IFIED". The Two Witnesses are "signs", or symbols. As usual, if we want to know what prophecy means, we have to follow Peter's instructions and ask the "holy men that spake as they were moved by the Holy Spirit". One such man, Zechariah, uses the exact same symbolism in chapter 4 that John uses in Revelation 11 and interprets that symbolism as the "Word of God" - the Bible. Historicism interprets this "3 1/2 days" as the 3 1/2 years of the French Revolution where the Bible was outlawed and then reinstated EXACTLY 3 1/2 years to the date due to the horrific results of that Bible ban in France. No literal person can possibly be those Two Witnesses, for Moses, Elijah, Enoch, etc. are now immortal and no longer subject to death; those who await the Resurrection of the Just will be raised immortal as well.
 
They're real people... who is the question, and I don't believe it has to be anyone in particular. Their arrival is not explained so it could be two Jews that have yet to accept the Lord Jesus as their saviour and will when the rapture happens - the great departure spoken of in 2 Thess 2:3. Side note: in the earliest English translations it's "departure" not "falling away" which makes more sense since 1 Thess and 2 Thess talk about the wondrous events to come. The departure is the rapture because of the departure happens first, then the wicked one is revealed as reiterated in verses 2 Thess 2:7-8
 
Interesting topic. I don't know who to vote for. I always thought the two witnesses were just two individuals who God will use mightily during the tribulation.

It would be cool if it was Moses and one of the other prophets though. Imagine what scientists who don't believe in God would say if they discovered Moses alive today? :D
 
Silk said:
Major - however you want to slice the cake - they still are slain (I agree God allows it). You said that because all who live and are saved during the Trib will do so without physical death. You can't dismiss the theory based on that, that the 2 witnesses won't experience physical death. Aside from the fact that I believe there will be those saved who die before the trib ends.

The 2 witnesses seem to appear, full grown, in Jerusalem. And they are directly lead by God. It could be two unknowns and certainly I wouldn't think they would identify themselves as Elijah or Moses or whoever, immediately, if they were. If, as attributed by Christ, Elijah was reborn as John the Baptist, then he has suffered physical death. (Matthew 17:12 ). But, Malachi 4:5 , says Elijah will come
"Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:" So maybe he will come both times. IDK.

I think the 2 witnesses come after the Rapture, at the beginning of the trib, for 3 1/2 yrs, to rebuild the 3rd Temple and gather the remnant. I think when the Temple is rebuilt, cleansed and dedicated (3 1/2 yrs), the AC will come to Jerusalem,allowed to slay the witnesses and abominate the Temple. That is the sign to flee Jerusalem and many have predicted they will flee to Petra.
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Your comment was.........
"You said that because all who live and are saved during the Trib will do so without physical death."

I do not think that is what I said. I said or at least meant to say that there will be people saved during the Trib. who will live through it. Certainly there will be trials and suffering and death for believers but not ALL believers will die.

Elijah could not be reborn as John the Baptist Silk as that would teach "reincarnation" and that is no where to be found in the Scriptures.

I agree that the 2 witness will appear at the beginning of the 7 years. I have always thought that it will be through their preaching that will lead to the 144 K being saved.
 
Abdicate said:
They're real people... who is the question, and I don't believe it has to be anyone in particular. Their arrival is not explained so it could be two Jews that have yet to accept the Lord Jesus as their saviour and will when the rapture happens - the great departure spoken of in 2 Thess 2:3. Side note: in the earliest English translations it's "departure" not "falling away" which makes more sense since 1 Thess and 2 Thess talk about the wondrous events to come. The departure is the rapture because of the departure happens first, then the wicked one is revealed as reiterated in verses 2 Thess 2:7-8
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I agree And that is exactly what I have been saying!!
 
Where is the Messiah said:
Mind blown. I never thought about those who have been raised from the dead in the Bible. Id love to hear more opinions on that subject, but I think I'll start it in a new thread, so I don't hijack this one.

For this one, if it has to be people that are already in the Bible... What if it's two people that God is giving a second chance. In that case how about Judas, and... Cain.
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It can not be Judas and Cain. Death sealed their choices in life.

But What if it is two Jewish Rabbis who are alive right now, living in Israel and because they know the Scriptures inside and out, WHEN they observe the Rapture they understand what has happened and they turn to Christ and become saved. Since they have missed the Rapture they begin their ministry of preaching from the Temple which begins the world wide revival.
 
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