Ok then..if they disappeared? You would know it right? Have they taken some sort of sample?
Why Did God Lie?
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maybe you have never heard of the communist party? They don't wait around, they just torture anyone who disagrees with them. They only reason its not eternal is because the folks die as they are tortured!
EVERTIME an atheist steers another away from the remission of their sins they cause their eternal separation from God...the rest is commentary! When an individual or institution teaches that their is no God as if this premise is a fact, THEY condemn that person...God is not in hell torturing anyone...in Hell they got their way....a place God made where they are absolutely and ultimately apart from God or anything God would have provided...that IS the everlasting torture....
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It's good to see some folks around here actually believe in eternal punishment as Jesus stated. Now where was you Paul when dealing with those nut cases in the Annialisium (However you spell it) thread. I felt Like I was sitting in the cafeteria of a mental ward.
Best to hear and take heed about Eternal punishment here, and not be one of those types that love the school of hard knocks. You most definitely want to stay out of that school as there is no graduation.
I'm not going to read thru 15 pages of this..Hey! I gotta life.
Seems to me that there are way too many blind assumptions and not enough honest inquiry.
The fruit of the tree was not an apple or any other vegetable type thing;.
The fruit was disobedience, which was produced by failing to trust God.
The serpent called into question God's trustworthiness and Adam and Eve bought into the deal.
The death that this affair brought was not physical, but spiritual. How could Adam and Eve continue in fellowship with God when they had no faith in Him? when they had agreed with the serpent that He was a liar?
It is interesting to ponder what might have been if Adam and Eve had remained faithful, or if they had had a few kiddies before they sinned.
But that is simply not knowable...we need to focus on what did happen and what our own personal response is.....we are accountable whether we like it or not...whether we think so or not.
Bit like being in debt....we can try to ignore it, but the debt collector won't give up till the last penny / cent is repaid.
This could be a topic for a new thread. Perhaps you would like to pass your assurances to the countless relatives of those christians and muslims being killed in Nigeria on an almost daily basis? How about Syria? Perhaps the thousands killed in Egypt over the past few years?
You cannot ever suggest to me that religious belief never causes harm to anyone. Don't try to deflect the cause as political either as it won't wash. And don't counter claim that atheists have caused wars either, that's irrelevant.
okay, yeah, you are right about people's belief can cause harm to people, but it's the people themselves that cause the harm. It doesn't matter what they believe. Hitler was a nazi and he believed that jews are lesser being so he felt he needed to exterminate them. but on the contrary, if people believe that no lesser beings, there won't be any harm done and no one would be looking down upon others.
It's what the people that do with the belief (religious or not) that causes the harm, not the religious belief, or non religious belief itself, there are suicidal cults that kill themselves. That's a religious belief and it kills tons of people. I think the reason why the 9/11 happen was actually because the plane hijacker thought he did it for his god so he crashed his plane and that killed many.
There are also people who believe that gay/lesbian are wrong but they are good if they don't actively prevent gay/lesbian couples of getting married and if they don't actively lynch gay/lesbian couples and if they don't look down upon gay/lesbian couples. That's what I think.
I think in context Tubby..we were speaking of the act of belief itself and in particular the members of this forum who are in no way trying to harm anyone. Now the fact that some use religion as a excuse to practice evil is not the issue that was raised and I believe most every "Christian" member of this forum would condemn that as ungodly. That my peaceful practice of faith has a negative effect upon those who do not have faith is just some nonsense made up to give cause to those who would look to attack peaceful believers.
I think workmx addressed the issue already and you misunderstood.
"Once again:your ideas/beliefs sre not your identity.
Beliefs sre open to criticism in the marketplace of ideas."
Your ideas/beliefs is that "homosexual is wrong"
your identity however is that you don't care about homosexuals and allow them to be homosexual, and will prevent them if they are seeking your help (which is good)
He also said this
"For the second time: your beliefs are not your identity.
They (the beliefs of god) must be able to stand up to scrutiny (is there a reason to believe god).
You can still believe that they (god) are real. You will just be unjustified in doing so. (no reason in believing)
Either way I am not attacking your identity."
He is not saying that you can still believe that you think gay/lesbian and will lynch gay/lesbian because you will be unjustified in lynching.
He wanted to get to the bottom of everything on why do you believe. I think I gave him a good enough answer for him to stop asking on why do people believe in god. I told him because it requires faith to believe in god. If there is no faith in God, there will be no need to be asking questions to Christians.
I don't separate my beliefs from my identity.. I am what Gods Word says that I am...Im a sinner just like the homosexual in and of myself and in my own ability. That's why I had to go to Christ and accept His forgiveness and receive the Spirit of God, by which I am submitted to the Will of God. Im not justified by what I do but what I believe, I "believe" that God is right in that He judges us in our sin and I "believe" that God is right that He justifies us in our faith in Christ! God is right to condemn the homosexual and He is fair and just to forgive them as they admit their sin and need for His Grace in Christ. But Gods gives grace to the humble and resist the proud..as long as one claims that their sin is not sin, they are in pride! And cannot receive the grace that God would give to them.
True. I hate cocky people who thinks they're so good at everything. If anything, there will always be someone better. That is really annoying to have a friend show me his work and say "this is good, huh." over and over and over again. but however, if they are saying "they're not that good" even though other people think their work is good and wanting to buy their work, those humble people are a lot better than the cocky people.
READ IT AGAIN ..
THE TWO VERSES ARE ONE SENTENCE ..
DO YOU NOT SEE WHERE GOD BEGINS SPEAKING AND ENDS ???
Gen 2:16 The LORD God commanded the man, saying, “From any tree of the garden you may eat freely;
Gen 2:17 but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die.”
you can eat from all BUT this one ..
that sounds clear enough to me and without contradiction ..
when God said they would die, He meant spiritually aka spiritual death ..
which happened, hence the need of being redeemed from spiritual death ..
satan capitalized on that and made it look like God meant physical death ..
God Bless You ..
BTW: god (if referring to the creator) should be written God .. just sayin
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I agree that all men are wicked and without the Spirit of God are without hope!
At the risk of my getting banned you will find, a long time ago, the inquisition and witch-hunts were led or at least justified by Christians... the knights of the crusades and the KKK thought their actions were justified through the bible as well (and the fact that Hitler was voted into power by conservative Christians).
Although their actions are evil, it's not 'evil' men but simply ideas people are fighting over. One group clams they are right and another opposes, no peaceful solution can be found and so they resort to violence.
I see it every day on this forum albeit non-violent and on a much smaller scale, with you Mitsa and MichaelH as prime examples.
Although their actions are evil, it's not 'evil' men but simply ideas people are fighting over. One group clams they are right and another opposes, no peaceful solution can be found and so they resort to violence.
I see it every day on this forum albeit non-violent and on a much smaller scale, with you Mitsa and MichaelH as prime examples.
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Oh yea! I am like the KKK and like those who are killing people? Come on! You may not like what I say and how I say it but your just trying to insult with such silly comments...If you have an issue with the KKK or the RCC go attack them but leave us peace loving believers alone.
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