So do you think making such unreasonable and insulting statements promotes "understanding and love" or are you just using these ideas to cover your own desire to harm others?
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Can we try to teach rather than bleach?
So did you read the post where I was equated with the KKK and Hitler and murderers? And then you pop on this thread and attempt to suggest that I need to be less "what"? what is your point "brother"?
I wonder sometimes why some uphold the ungodly at every opportunity and always seek to condemn and accuse the righteous?
Eze 13:22 "Because with lies you have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and you have strengthened the hands of the wicked, so that he does not turn from his wicked way to save his life.
Eze 13:22 "Because with lies you have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and you have strengthened the hands of the wicked, so that he does not turn from his wicked way to save his life.
Look you and I have not had any discussions that I am aware of? We both may have commented on the same issues but we have not "tried" to come to a place of understanding and respect of each others views. If you will notice on this thread, I have attempted and found some common ground with two folks that really disagree with me and my understanding of godliness. You must also understand this is a "Christian" forum...of course you will find folks who really believe the bible?
You make a horrible insult and then on the next post you attempt to promote "love and understanding" ... do you not see where some might think those words really don't mean much to you?
Of course "we" have not and in most cases most people come to an understanding. But it does not work like this in the world all the time. I'm not trying to troll you (or anyone else) but my post was about the fact that people fight over ideas all the time and at the extreme, people are willing to die for them.
Well the true children of God, taught by Christ are not those who kill others but are those that have been killed by some of the people you are speaking of...and no we do not fear death. Christ never taught us to take up arms and fight as the world fights and kills, he taught us to lay down our lives, if need be, to promote His peace, truth and love... So you don't understand true Christianity.
I tend to insult people unknowingly so I apologise if I caused offence.
Love and understanding only works so far as the person you are disagreeing with loves and understands you.
Lets just use Christianity as an example (since we are on a Christian forum). As long as everyone believes in the word of god everyone can get along (more or less) because everyone believes in the same thing (there is nothing to fight over).
But even within Christianity you have people who interpret the Bible differently. There are different sects and denominations, each promoting their word as the truth. And thus you have conflict.
I know what Christianity preaches and there are plenty of people who choose to lead their lives in that way because they consider it morally/ethically right and they are better human beings for doing so. But ignorance is only one blind spot away - good actions do not always result from good intentions.
Love and understanding only works so far as the person you are disagreeing with loves and understands you.
Lets just use Christianity as an example (since we are on a Christian forum). As long as everyone believes in the word of god everyone can get along (more or less) because everyone believes in the same thing (there is nothing to fight over).
But even within Christianity you have people who interpret the Bible differently. There are different sects and denominations, each promoting their word as the truth. And thus you have conflict.
I know what Christianity preaches and there are plenty of people who choose to lead their lives in that way because they consider it morally/ethically right and they are better human beings for doing so. But ignorance is only one blind spot away - good actions do not always result from good intentions.
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Hello Goggles. You are right and you are wrong........how do you manage that?
The Bible and the Q'ran have been used for both good and for evil.
The inquisition would be hard to justify, Hitler ditto KKK ditto, the crusades ditto. But on the other hand did you know that the Methodist Church (or was it the Presbyterians?) Well let's just say the Church in Scotland pioneered the trade union movement to force mining companies to stop using children in their coal mines. That I think we would agree was good. But as time wore on the movement was taken over by communists, socialists and outright crooks. The Church has also suffered evil infiltration at various times throughout its history.
Hitler may have been elected by nominal christians as you say....let's face it there is no such thing as a Christian country. There are a stack of what I call Christianized countries. But remember that Hitler, like the serpent in Eden was a deceiver and the extent of their agendas was not apparent at first to an unsuspecting people. They found out too late just what they bought into.
What we all need to do is to focus on Jesus and not on each other's short comings. Although I'm a regular nice guy
I can't save anybody, not even myself. So looking at me as some kind of a role model would be wrong, don't look to me as a likely source of salvation...look only to Jesus.What I don't get, is why people would rather go bare footed than get some shoes just because they don't like the shoe salesman.
And that to my way of thinking is what people who bag Jesus and what he offers because they don't like what has been done by ignorant followers, or nominal followers or infiltrators......and there were plenty of those back in the days of the early Church as well.
No I did not read that nor can I find a post where you Mitspa, were personally equated with the KKK. Perhaps you might post the reply #?
I did read a post where I understood that Goggles was making a generalization and then shifting his focus from the KKK and such to 'us'. He used you and MichaelH as an example of passionately opined Christians on this forum......I didn't even get a mention
I must be slipping.Maybe he didn't express himself as well as he might have, but we are all guilty of that from time to time are we not?
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Well of course the intention of that post is clear, and I agree you are guilty of that from time to time...No I did not read that nor can I find a post where you Mitspa were equated with the KKK. Perhaps you might post the reply #?
I did read a post where I understood that Goggles was making a generalization and shifting his focus from the KKK and such. He used you and MichaelH as an example of passionately disposed Christians on this forum......I didn't even get a mention
Maybe he didn't express himself as well as he might have, but we are all guilty of that from time to time are we not?
I never said Christianity is a completely bad thing and if you feel that was what I was implying than you are mistaken.
Plenty of horrible people turn for the better after 'God'. Christianity is a source for comfort for those who have none - people on death row, those in poverty, junkies who are trying to get off drugs, people in jail who are trying to turn their life around etc. I think everyone will agree this is a good thing, theists and atheists alike.
The examples I used were illustrate my point about ignorance and bigotry which although is definitely not at all exclusive to Christianity (or religion), is allowed seemingly to run free.
Are communists/socialists evil?
I thought he was. Please explain.
Plenty of horrible people turn for the better after 'God'. Christianity is a source for comfort for those who have none - people on death row, those in poverty, junkies who are trying to get off drugs, people in jail who are trying to turn their life around etc. I think everyone will agree this is a good thing, theists and atheists alike.
The examples I used were illustrate my point about ignorance and bigotry which although is definitely not at all exclusive to Christianity (or religion), is allowed seemingly to run free.
Are communists/socialists evil?
I thought he was. Please explain.
Goggles I didn't say that communists or socialists are evil, I was just drawing a contrast. The Church was out to get little children out of the coal mines and into schools so that they could learn and have a better chance in life. Once other self interest groups took over, the aims and ideal changed...that is all.
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